Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

---

Champ Bailey said:

---

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

---

Had very high hopes for this, but I just finished the first episode and I'm very disappointed (may be a result of me expecting a lot but oh well). Felt too much like the run of the mill 24 type series. I'll still likely continue through a few more episodes though.

On a separate note I wish for once the Muslim antagonist in a show would hate America because of their religious values, not because we performed some travesty against them in the past. Not trying to turn this into the politics board but it would allow more time for the actual story in the show and would likely be more accurate.

---

No. Because from a storytelling standpoint you as a viewer are more likely to enjoy the show more if you can sympathize with the villain at least a little bit. It's why all the great villains in the past have some characteristic you understand. Thanos, Gus Fring, Hell, even the Joker had a point to their madness.

Is the "I'm fighting Americans because they were bad in the past," theme tired? Sure, but it's a better story than just having an evil guy in a turban with no emotional reasoning for his actions other than his religion tells him he has to kill Americans. Whether it's true or not.

---

Gonna have to strongly disagree with you on this one. The greatest fictional villains imo out of every movie I've ever seen are Heath Ledger's Joker and Hans Landa in Inglorious Basterds. Neither of those characters garnered any sympathy from the audience, and neither were carrying out their actions as a result of being wronged (at least neither were doing his in an obvious way).
Also no offense but your list of "all the great villains" sucks

---

Just talking about the all time villains in the past 10 years. And Joker absolutely had a point. He wanted Batman to be a moral hypocrite and be shown to be no better than any villain was. His machinations were all to see if Batman would finally kill him.

Hans Landa is a good choice. He doesn't have any redeemable reasons for his actions other than self-interest. What makes him a great character though is how Christopher Waltz makes him this very polite and charming man, even when he is talking about genocide.

Landa's character only works in the context of a great evil that everyone already understands though. He's kind of an 'ad absurdum' of the "just following orders" thing. He doesn't really give himself orders to do bad things.

It would be pretty hard to pull that off in another context, I think.

Cstrickland05 said:

---

bobinator said:

---

I'm not even talking about his actual story. It didn't have anything to do with the central plot, but whatever.

I just mean the actual few scenes involving the casino and the couple he met there. All of that was super weird.

I thought maybe they were some kind of agents, and they had some sort of system rigged up where they'd find someone vulnerable (like a depressed soldier...) and make it so they won and then they'd blackmail them or take advantage or something... But nope... it was just all super weird for no reason.

---

I was thinking it was something like that too. Or they were con men who rigged the game or something. It was just weird.

---

I thought they were obviously working some kind of con when they introduced themselves. Their names were characters from 'A Streetcar Named Desire'. That storyline really detracted from the show in my opinion.

OK, watched all episodes. While it was enjoyable (I'll watch anything Clancy related), I thought it was a bit of a mess. Acting wasn't great, the political undertones, unoriginal plot, the whole side plot that never went anywhere (next season?), etc.

The only memorable thing about the series I'll probably remember is the incredibly attractive Abbie Cornish. This isn't something people will rave about nor remember for long in general though.

Yeah, that's another reason I assumed they were running some sort of game. I wonder if there was more there that got cut or something?

It was so weird that I had a hard time focusing on the rest of the story because I kept waiting for that to eventually make sense.

bobinator said:

---

but the US involvement in the Middle East (and our involvement in global policy) is the actual real-life origin story of modern extremist groups

---

I disagree with your blanket statement and am going to reference the encyclopedia of Islam and say that Islamic terrorist groups are carrying out jihad by converting dar al harb into dar al Islam

I've watched the entire thing now too. I did still enjoy it very much, agree on the drone guy just a stupid story line especially the vegas part. Not real keen on Abby Cornish in her role she just seems unfit for it but she's not horrible.

I have to admit, I got a little annoyed with Jack in his self righteousness during the search for Hanin. I understand wanting to be a Boy Scout, hell they've even had that in some of the descriptions of him, but his unrealistic expectation of how the world works was a little much at times. I know Greer tried to push it back in line but even I was annoyed with Jack. But didn't ruin the show for me but just wanted to smack him upside the head a few times.

Enjoyed the last episode, curious to see if they're going to go to Moscow route next time.

I'm in for Season 2.

One thing I don't get twice Ryan got called into that dude's office to be offered a promotion or something good. Both times (with the heavy insinuation during the finale, he was going to turn it down)

Why?

AgMarauder04 said:

---

I'm in for Season 2.

One thing I don't get twice Ryan got called into that dude's office to be offered a promotion or something good. Both times (with the heavy insinuation during the finale, he was going to turn it down)

Why?

---

To **** Greer over is my only thought. Get Ryan on his side and take th credit sort of thing.

annie88 said:

---

Not real keen on Abby Cornish in her role she just seems unfit for it but she's not horrible.

---

Her role was also annoying. Like the drone pilot night at the casino, it seems like it was meant for more and then cut.

Like they spent screen time building her up into being this world class epidemiologist and then that was hardly used in the plot at all other than her one briefing.

Like maybe they could have asked her how she would do it if she were trying to bring the virus to the states, and then she could have said she'd use people and then they realize that's exactly what they've done or something.

But another part of that story that was annoying is that SHE was the one who said like 'oh we should just keep this casual' and then it's a big deal when he says he's actually in the CIA instead of the state department or whatever. Like... who cares, you already said you just wanted a casual thing. That whole thing was flimsy also.

It's kind of anti-Sharp Objects, where I felt like they took 8 episodes to do what could have been done in 6, I feel like Jack Ryan had enough for like 10 episodes here and went with 8.

Loves this show, really enjoyed how it ended and where it might go next season. Sure I had some issues, but overall I thought it was great.

Agree.

Just finished the last episode. It had some slow points and I'm still not a huge fan of the actress playing Cathy but overall I liked it. Maybe 8/10 if I'm being a bit generous. It does set things up nicely for the next season and I'm curious where they go from here.

Never read any of the books.

Overall I really enjoyed the series. I thought it was great and had a blast watching it. there were only a few things I felt the missed the mark on.

1. The first was the drone pilot storyline. I get why they had him in but it felt clunky and unnecessary just to advance some minor plot points.

2. The second was Kathy's reaction to finding out he worked for the CIA. I mean they even had the conversation where she just agreed to not ask anymore questions about his work. To have her be pissed and refuse to talk to him and then later to forgive him was just lazy writing IMO.


outside of those two things, I loved it and can't wait for season 2.

You're all wrong.

The most annoying part by far was Cornish saying...

helYcopter multiple rimes.

As I mentioned, I really liked it. I think you can knit pick just about anything. I agree about the drone pilot storyline. Just didn't matter much, especially since he didn't actually kill the terrorist sent after the wife and kids.

Things I noticed;

In the Paris episode, on the drive to the flat with the Parisian SWAT team there was a part where the DOJ captain gave Jack a sidearm. If he wasn't carrying, he wouldn't have had a holster on. Miraculously, he draws the sidearm when chasing the terrorist brother.

The other one (and a wtf moment for anyone who's ever worked in the field in a hot climate) was Greer wearing jeans to Adana, Turkey. That's the most miserable thing possible for a hot Mediterranean climate. No way an experienced field guy wears jeans.

BTW, I came across this interview and it explains many of the character changes. I can actually understand what they were going for with some if them. Looks like season 2 is done and they're talking about season 3.

https://www.nola.com/expo/life-and-culture/erry-2018/08/c630adadb66194/catching-up-with-wendell-pierc.html

From that article they are currently taping in Colombia. Possible "Clear and Present Danger" inspired storyline for season 2?

Speaking of Clear and Present Danger.... did anyone flash back to the escape from the drug lord's compound when Jack and Cathy were on their date at the restaurant with a wall of firewood behind them?

Overall I enjoyed it but didn't love it. I read a couple Clancy books in high school and I've seen most the movies, but I'm not a die hard so didn't notice any of the changed character aspects.

My biggest issue? Casting.

1. I never fully bought into Krasinski. I love LOVE the Office, and I thought he was great in A Quiet Place and he is talented, but I never felt like he pulled off the drama in this. His resting "serious" face just gave me too many flashbacks to the "Can you believe Michael Scott is doing this?" face. For example when he comes back from the snow chase to find the french woman dead. I didn't feel anything from him. He just has a bit of awkwardness to him when he is being silent, like he doesn't know what to do with his hands.

2. Abbie Corish was also a bit stoic for my taste. No range in her reactions.

3. Love me some Wendell Pierce, he was great. It was a bit of "Bunk joins the CIA" though. Constant "Ryan/McNulty when are you going to learn" type stuff.

I liked the plot but agree the drone pilot thing was out of place. Also there was a bit too many moments of magical clarity for me. That is, Ryan stares into the distance and BOOM he magically figures something out. I could have used a little more exposition.

Overall though I am excited for season 2 and will tune in.

Wife and I binged it over the weekend. Thought it was a great show. Have been a fan of all the Jack Ryan films over the years and I thought Krasinski's portrayal played very well with Ford and Baldwin's characters.

Had no problem with the character changes as they had to modernize the story since the Clancy books started back in the 80's.

Definitely in for a 2nd season and have a real desire to go back and watch the films now.

Never saw 13 Hours.

Jim01 said:

---

Never saw 13 Hours.

---

If you like this type of genre, it's pretty good. It's about the military contractors in Bengazhi.

Jim01 said:

---

Overall I enjoyed it but didn't love it. I read a couple Clancy books in high school and I've seen most the movies, but I'm not a die hard so didn't notice any of the changed character aspects.

My biggest issue? Casting.

1. I never fully bought into Krasinski. I love LOVE the Office, and I thought he was great in A Quiet Place and he is talented, but I never felt like he pulled off the drama in this. His resting "serious" face just gave me too many flashbacks to the "Can you believe Michael Scott is doing this?" face. For example when he comes back from the snow chase to find the french woman dead. I didn't feel anything from him. He just has a bit of awkwardness to him when he is being silent, like he doesn't know what to do with his hands.

2. Abbie Corish was also a bit stoic for my taste. No range in her reactions.

3. Love me some Wendell Pierce, he was great. It was a bit of "Bunk joins the CIA" though. Constant "Ryan/McNulty when are you going to learn" type stuff.

I liked the plot but agree the drone pilot thing was out of place. Also there was a bit too many moments of magical clarity for me. That is, Ryan stares into the distance and BOOM he magically figures something out. I could have used a little more exposition.

Overall though I am excited for season 2 and will tune in.

---

all of this, plus the drone pilot story added nothing.

Besides the cast and the drone pilot stories, my other two big complaints were-

1- why the hell was Matice not named John Kelly? It would've cost them nothing and been a bone tossed to the fans. maybe they will still use Matice as the new John Kelly.

2- The big bad sure had a wealth of options. Besides the normal weps and explosives, he had both chem and bio weapons. It seemed a little too much to me and felt that they were spending chips too soon that could be used later.

I still managed to enjoy the show and will watch later seasons. I hope Ebola or such will return for an Executive Orders type movie/season. I also really, really hope for a debt of honor season with both the pseudo war and the ending. People need to remember that WWII Japanese were worse than Nazis.

bearamedic99 said:

---

Jim01 said:

---

Overall I enjoyed it but didn't love it. I read a couple Clancy books in high school and I've seen most the movies, but I'm not a die hard so didn't notice any of the changed character aspects.

My biggest issue? Casting.

1. I never fully bought into Krasinski. I love LOVE the Office, and I thought he was great in A Quiet Place and he is talented, but I never felt like he pulled off the drama in this. His resting "serious" face just gave me too many flashbacks to the "Can you believe Michael Scott is doing this?" face. For example when he comes back from the snow chase to find the french woman dead. I didn't feel anything from him. He just has a bit of awkwardness to him when he is being silent, like he doesn't know what to do with his hands.

2. Abbie Corish was also a bit stoic for my taste. No range in her reactions.

3. Love me some Wendell Pierce, he was great. It was a bit of "Bunk joins the CIA" though. Constant "Ryan/McNulty when are you going to learn" type stuff.

I liked the plot but agree the drone pilot thing was out of place. Also there was a bit too many moments of magical clarity for me. That is, Ryan stares into the distance and BOOM he magically figures something out. I could have used a little more exposition.

Overall though I am excited for season 2 and will tune in.

---

all of this, plus the drone pilot story added nothing.

Besides the cast and the drone pilot stories, my other two big complaints were-

1- why the hell was Matice not named John Kelly? It would've cost them nothing and been a bone tossed to the fans. maybe they will still use Matice as the new John Kelly.

2- The big bad sure had a wealth of options. Besides the normal weps and explosives, he had both chem and bio weapons. It seemed a little too much to me and felt that they were spending chips too soon that could be used later.

I still managed to enjoy the show and will watch later seasons. I hope Ebola or such will return for an Executive Orders type movie/season. I also really, really hope for a debt of honor season with both the pseudo war and the ending. People need to remember that WWII Japanese were worse than Nazis.

---

I read that for some reason, they weren't able to get the rights to John Clark/Kelly. But Matice will be basically the same character.

Cstrickland05 said:

---

bearamedic99 said:

---

Jim01 said:

---

Overall I enjoyed it but didn't love it. I read a couple Clancy books in high school and I've seen most the movies, but I'm not a die hard so didn't notice any of the changed character aspects.

My biggest issue? Casting.

1. I never fully bought into Krasinski. I love LOVE the Office, and I thought he was great in A Quiet Place and he is talented, but I never felt like he pulled off the drama in this. His resting "serious" face just gave me too many flashbacks to the "Can you believe Michael Scott is doing this?" face. For example when he comes back from the snow chase to find the french woman dead. I didn't feel anything from him. He just has a bit of awkwardness to him when he is being silent, like he doesn't know what to do with his hands.

2. Abbie Corish was also a bit stoic for my taste. No range in her reactions.

3. Love me some Wendell Pierce, he was great. It was a bit of "Bunk joins the CIA" though. Constant "Ryan/McNulty when are you going to learn" type stuff.

I liked the plot but agree the drone pilot thing was out of place. Also there was a bit too many moments of magical clarity for me. That is, Ryan stares into the distance and BOOM he magically figures something out. I could have used a little more exposition.

Overall though I am excited for season 2 and will tune in.

---

all of this, plus the drone pilot story added nothing.

Besides the cast and the drone pilot stories, my other two big complaints were-

1- why the hell was Matice not named John Kelly? It would've cost them nothing and been a bone tossed to the fans. maybe they will still use Matice as the new John Kelly.

2- The big bad sure had a wealth of options. Besides the normal weps and explosives, he had both chem and bio weapons. It seemed a little too much to me and felt that they were spending chips too soon that could be used later.

I still managed to enjoy the show and will watch later seasons. I hope Ebola or such will return for an Executive Orders type movie/season. I also really, really hope for a debt of honor season with both the pseudo war and the ending. People need to remember that WWII Japanese were worse than Nazis.

---

I read that for some reason, they weren't able to get the rights to John Clark/Kelly. But Matice will be basically the same character.

---

potential Rainbow Six movie?

Cstrickland05 said:

---

I read that for some reason, they weren't able to get the rights to John Clark/Kelly. But Matice will be basically the same character.

---

I had to look up who the John Clark character was. It sounds like he's a main character in the books. For those who have only seen the movies, not so much. More of a fan boy issue since the character wasn't consistent in the movies either.

AgLA06 said:

---

Cstrickland05 said:

---

I read that for some reason, they weren't able to get the rights to John Clark/Kelly. But Matice will be basically the same character.

---

I had to look up who the John Clark character was. It sounds like he's a main character in the books. For those who have only seen the movies, not so much. More of a fan boy issue since the character wasn't consistent in the movies either.

---

Actually, Clark plays a pretty significant role in the books and later on once Rainbow Six gets rolling. On top of that, Ding Chavez who we saw in Clear and Present Danger, had a much larger role in the book than we saw in the movie who also was involved in Rainbow Six. So I'm not sure if it's necessarily a "fan boy problem."

jabberwalkie09 said:

---

AgLA06 said:

---

Cstrickland05 said:

---

I read that for some reason, they weren't able to get the rights to John Clark/Kelly. But Matice will be basically the same character.

---

I had to look up who the John Clark character was. It sounds like he's a main character in the books. For those who have only seen the movies, not so much. More of a fan boy issue since the character wasn't consistent in the movies either.

---

Actually, Clark plays a pretty significant role in the books and later on once Rainbow Six gets rolling. On top of that, Ding Chavez who we saw in Clear and Present Danger, had a much larger role in the book than we saw in the movie who also was involved in Rainbow Six. So I'm not sure if it's necessarily a "fan boy problem."

---

If the argument is "that's not how it was in the books", that's a fan boy problem. The role is played a different actor for the various movies so not a big deal.

"I have some bad news for you: We wanted John Clark to be in the first season. We were told by the people at Paramount, I believe, that essentially, we didn't have rights to John Clark because he existed in his own book, and they were currently trying to adapt or develop that book into a feature, and they said until, basically, they know what's going to happen with that, John Clark is off the table. Hopefully, in future seasons, we'll clear all that up and he'll make an appearance, but it's definitely a character that Carlton and I both like. We would love to see him make an appearance. In hindsight, and this might sound like a little bit of a cheat, I think it's cool that he wasn't in the first season, because it gives you something to look forward to"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/jack-ryan-series-premiere-explained-1138928