I exaggerated on army, but do you really need to fill the street with police cars, in a way that is about as intimidating as possible, to bring in your best friends 13 year old kid? Jesus.
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I thought the same thing and was talking with my brother about it. Apparently, he noticed the gun was missing that night because he saw the prowler and went to check. Then he looked in the shed again a couple of days later and noticed that it had been returned.gigemJTH12 said:
did he say the gun was missing a couple days before it was returned? huge plot hole if so.
gigemJTH12 said:
did he say the gun was missing a couple days before it was returned? huge plot hole if so.
No.
Someone on my family text group asked this so I went back and watched. He said:
Do you remember the morning you came over for my granddaughter and the prowler?
Well I'd gone gone out to the shed and got the gun and it was there.
(note: which would have been the previous night, not the night of the murder).
But that night I heard a noise in the shed and I went to get it and it was gone.
(Note: which was when Ryan was out there the night of the murder)
But now it's back. I went out the other day to get some tools and it was back.
Then later he says the type of gun and 2 bullets missing
okay that checks out...seems odd how passive he was about someone stealing his gun in the middle of the night though.
got it...really weird timeline of discovering a missing gun, and then finding it, and then reporting it.
but its a show. I get it.
but its a show. I get it.
gigemJTH12 said:
got it...really weird timeline of discovering a missing gun, and then finding it, and then reporting it.
but its a show. I get it.
yeah...supposed to chalk it up to that old man is all over the place and not really mentally ok.
he never set up the camera for months, then got it set up.
soon after his wife dies so he is a bit frazzled.
his home is a wreck and now he thinks someone is stealing like pizza slicers and stuff, but then finds the gun and it reminds him.
heck when he answers the door after calling Mare he forgets why she is there until she says "you called me remember".
Especially since a neighbor was shot dead the same night he noticed his gun was stolen. I guess his declining mental state played a role in him not really putting it together.gigemJTH12 said:
okay that checks out...seems odd how passive he was about someone stealing his gun in the middle of the night though.
I actually thought it was believable. Old people are acutely in tune with the goings on if their home. I believe he heard a noise and checked on it, especially if his wife is claiming a prowler is on the loose. Further, he is concerned with losing his mind and trying to be aware of it. He does not know why he can't remember things and is writing off the disappearance and magical reappearance of the pistol as a if it may be dementia. Actually plausible explanation of the timing, the not reporting it, and the bringing it up in conversation about his slipping sanity..
I appreciate the character flaws that were highlighted for everyone. Made the feelings and actions more realistic (and raw). We all have our skeletons that guide our actions. Great show.
Also add the death of Colin the detective. He never would've been called in had they come clean early on.Zombie Jon Snow said:BCG Disciple said:
Not sure I would ever repair a relationship with my best friend if they sold out my son to the po po for an accident. I left it disgusted with Mare and her lack of compassion. Did not like the character. Inconsistent. Does follow the law when it suits her, but follows it to a t when it devastates her best friend's family.
She didn't sell out her son to the po po - she was the po po and not just that but the lead investigator.
The entire family went to great lengths to cover up a murder and blame ANYONE else. I'd be seriously pissed about that - a confession of an accident for a minor would have resulted in much less damage and a lighter sentence for everyone. That and you know..... her oath.
The decision to cover it up:
got Dylan shot and nearly killed or paralyzed
got Kenny in prison
got Jess beat up and nearly killed too
caused huge friction between Frank and Mare and Faye, etc.
got Mare threatened and vandalized by that one girls father
nearly got Billy killed by his own brother
got John in prison
got Billy in prison
She also did not lack compassion she was gut wrenched when she figured it out - if you couldn't see that on her face I don't know what to tell you. She knew what it meant and she felt terrible but she had a duty. And owed it to all the collateral victims, the town, etc.
She's also been through a wringer - her son killed himself, a longterm kidnapping of someone she knew well finally solved, killing of her then partner and semi love interest, a murder of another person she knew, the cover up and exhaustive investigation.
She did do something incredibly stupid and it nearly lost her career. Turns out she was right about Carrie though.
As Siobahn said late in the episode Easttown is better off because of her.
emando2000 said:Also add the death of Colin the detective. He never would've been called in had they come clean early on.Zombie Jon Snow said:BCG Disciple said:
Not sure I would ever repair a relationship with my best friend if they sold out my son to the po po for an accident. I left it disgusted with Mare and her lack of compassion. Did not like the character. Inconsistent. Does follow the law when it suits her, but follows it to a t when it devastates her best friend's family.
She didn't sell out her son to the po po - she was the po po and not just that but the lead investigator.
The entire family went to great lengths to cover up a murder and blame ANYONE else. I'd be seriously pissed about that - a confession of an accident for a minor would have resulted in much less damage and a lighter sentence for everyone. That and you know..... her oath.
The decision to cover it up:
got Dylan shot and nearly killed or paralyzed
got Kenny in prison
got Jess beat up and nearly killed too
caused huge friction between Frank and Mare and Faye, etc.
got Mare threatened and vandalized by that one girls father
nearly got Billy killed by his own brother
got John in prison
got Billy in prison
She also did not lack compassion she was gut wrenched when she figured it out - if you couldn't see that on her face I don't know what to tell you. She knew what it meant and she felt terrible but she had a duty. And owed it to all the collateral victims, the town, etc.
She's also been through a wringer - her son killed himself, a longterm kidnapping of someone she knew well finally solved, killing of her then partner and semi love interest, a murder of another person she knew, the cover up and exhaustive investigation.
She did do something incredibly stupid and it nearly lost her career. Turns out she was right about Carrie though.
As Siobahn said late in the episode Easttown is better off because of her.
True - Zabel was called in specifically for this murder. Had there been a confession maybe he is sent back.
Although they were investigating the missing girl as well - maybe he would have been called in once the second girl went missing anyway. But the murder triggered him being assigned to work with Mare.
I also love that not a single scene was wasted in this show. That's what makes great television. When that old couple was having issues with their camera in the first episode, I told my wife that was going to come back into play later. Good shows these days are so great at foreshadowing and leaving crumbs along the way to the audience to pick up on.
At that point they had not determined whether or not the missing girls and the murder were connected. If I recall correctly Mare didn't really start connecting the dots until she found the tshirt of the family reunion at the dead brother's house. After that we get the scene where Billy was acting weird and had to leave in the middle of their conversation in the living room.
k20dub said:
I also love that not a single scene was wasted in this show. That's what makes great television. When that old couple was having issues with their camera in the first episode, I told my wife that was going to come back into play later. Good shows these days are so great at foreshadowing and leaving crumbs along the way to the audience to pick up on.
What's kinda amazing about that scene though is....
I thought it was a plot hole but it actually works I guess. I mean it actually does introduce even more issues in a way thru Mr. Carroll.
So Mare comes that day of the reported prowler - which was the night before the murder.
So she is there the day of the murder. And the camera is not working. Mrs. Carroll gives her husband grief about not getting it working yet.
Mare comes back a few days later and sees the kid vandalizing the shed and deletes it.
Fine. It means somewhere in the interim he got it working or got someone to do it. But she tells them there is nothing on the camera recordings.
Now at the end here after he reports the gun missing (and back) and says it was that night of the prowler Mare runs back into the house and I watched carefully she scrolls all the way back to Jan 11 which is the first day it recorded and that was the night Ryan took the gun and put it back - the night of the murder. So they had it corrct in that it had no recordings before that date.
But that means they had to get it functional that day after Mare left. And in the interim they are kinda naive to its operation - so much so that they don't check the cameras themselves when the graffiti guy paints the shed. Yet they just leave it running - imagine if they reported an issue, erased it, reinstalled etc. And then even at the end Mr. Carroll is kinda oblivious to it he never checks it fter realizing the gun was put back.
Anyway the dates work - but it is a bit of a tight window and fortunate they got it working that day... after ignoring it for 3 months Mrs. Carroll said.
emando2000 said:
At that point they had not determined whether or not the missing girls and the murder were connected. If I recall correctly Mare didn't really start connecting the dots until she found the tshirt of the family reunion at the dead brother's house. After that we get the scene where Billy was acting weird and had to leave in the middle of their conversation in the living room.
yes that's why i said he was called in for the murder specifically.
but i'm suggesting he might have been called in anyway once the second girl went missing.
and he was called in BEFORE a confession could have been made - at the creek when Erin's body was discovered. Unless someone confessed that night.
He did say that he went to get the gun when he heard noises outside, so he was using it for defense (even if it's ineffective to lock your gun in a shed)Lt. Joe Bookman said:Zombie Jon Snow said:BowSowy said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
Can't figure out why John would not get Ryan to retrieve the gun again and dispose of it though. Or replace the two bullets. I guess the cameras. Risky. But that was the clincher for Mare of course. But if the gun wasn't missing bullets, or it wasn't put back Mr. Carroll might never call her.
They probably assumed that Mr Carroll wouldn't have a clue that the gun was taken for a few hours in the middle of the night. Heck, I probably would've put it back in the random old man's shed, too. And you make it sound easy to replace those old rounds on that gun. It probably would've raised more suspicion if someone was going around trying to buy two old rounds for a gun that matches the murder weapon.
True - the odds of him knowing it was missing were small.
As for the rounds - granted we did not see this - but the odds that he did not have some spare rounds is low. Who only has enough rounds for the current load for any gun? I would think he would have kept spare rounds in the same drawer. But who knows.
I think it's stranger that there were rounds in it at all. The gun was given as a keepsake/commemorative item when he retired and obviously wasn't being used for self defense.
right. a gun in a drawer in a case in a locked shed outside your house is as useful as a stapler for defense. actually you can throw the stapler.
especially bad premise - for an ex COP
if he had another gun and that one was stowed away as a keepsake and he just happened to check it because of the peeper and again after the prowler that would make more sense. and then had not checked it again because there had been no disturbances out there, until he was in there for tools.
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Awesome show! Didn't watch it in real time so I avoided this thread until I got caught up. Props to everyone who figured out the Ryan thing ahead of time; I knew SOMETHING else was coming but didn't think it would be that.
That said, since TexAgs exists primarily to complain about things on the internet, here are my biggest plot holes:
1) The lengths to which Dylan went (burning journals, threatening people, lying to police) to protect that he wasn't DJ's father AFTER the DNA test already confirmed it and everyone knew. Seems like the only reason he acted that way was to keep the viewers assuming he was the killer, which is lazy writing in my opinion. And come to think of it, why did he lie to Mare at all? Not only did he not kill Erin, but we eventually find out he wasn't helping John with the cover up, so why lie and risk drawing suspicion? To protect himself from getting busted for driving around and smoking weed, as he eventually confessed to doing? And why did he get so mad at Brianna when she told him she woke up and couldn't find him? If somebody accuses me of a crime, especially if the signs are pointing to me as a suspect, then I'm giving investigators every fact and piece of evidence I can think of to help them find the real killer. Even if it means a slap on the wrist for a drug crime.
2) How long would it take a 12 year old to ride his bike 13 miles as Ryan would have done to and from the park? At least an hour each way? That's a lot of effort to go scare your dad's mistress, especially since he got started so late at night. [EDIT: Nevermind. I guess technically the park could have been close to his house and the site where the body was dumped could be 13 miles further away.]
3) Zero chance a community with a John, Billy, Marianne, Lori, Helen, Dylan, Erin, Frank, Dawn, and Kenny produces a "Siobhan." Zero. And I will fight you on this.
That said, since TexAgs exists primarily to complain about things on the internet, here are my biggest plot holes:
1) The lengths to which Dylan went (burning journals, threatening people, lying to police) to protect that he wasn't DJ's father AFTER the DNA test already confirmed it and everyone knew. Seems like the only reason he acted that way was to keep the viewers assuming he was the killer, which is lazy writing in my opinion. And come to think of it, why did he lie to Mare at all? Not only did he not kill Erin, but we eventually find out he wasn't helping John with the cover up, so why lie and risk drawing suspicion? To protect himself from getting busted for driving around and smoking weed, as he eventually confessed to doing? And why did he get so mad at Brianna when she told him she woke up and couldn't find him? If somebody accuses me of a crime, especially if the signs are pointing to me as a suspect, then I'm giving investigators every fact and piece of evidence I can think of to help them find the real killer. Even if it means a slap on the wrist for a drug crime.
2) How long would it take a 12 year old to ride his bike 13 miles as Ryan would have done to and from the park? At least an hour each way? That's a lot of effort to go scare your dad's mistress, especially since he got started so late at night. [EDIT: Nevermind. I guess technically the park could have been close to his house and the site where the body was dumped could be 13 miles further away.]
3) Zero chance a community with a John, Billy, Marianne, Lori, Helen, Dylan, Erin, Frank, Dawn, and Kenny produces a "Siobhan." Zero. And I will fight you on this.
That's hilarious. I was thinking the same thing about the name Siobhan (sp?)
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Awesome show! Didn't watch it in real time so I avoided this thread until I got caught up. Props to everyone who figured out the Ryan thing ahead of time; I knew SOMETHING else was coming but didn't think it would be that.
That said, since TexAgs exists primarily to complain about things on the internet, here are my biggest plot holes:
1) The lengths to which Dylan went (burning journals, threatening people, lying to police) to protect that he wasn't DJ's father AFTER the DNA test already confirmed it and everyone knew. Seems like the only reason he acted that way was to keep the viewers assuming he was the killer, which is lazy writing in my opinion. And come to think of it, why did he lie to Mare at all? Not only did he not kill Erin, but we eventually find out he wasn't helping John with the cover up, so why lie and risk drawing suspicion? To protect himself from getting busted for driving around and smoking weed, as he eventually confessed to doing? And why did he get so mad at Brianna when she told him she woke up and couldn't find him? If somebody accuses me of a crime, especially if the signs are pointing to me as a suspect, then I'm giving investigators every fact and piece of evidence I can think of to help them find the real killer. Even if it means a slap on the wrist for a drug crime.
2) How long would it take a 12 year old to ride his bike 13 miles as Ryan would have done to and from the park? At least an hour each way? That's a lot of effort to go scare your dad's mistress, especially since he got started so late at night. [EDIT: Nevermind. I guess technically the park could have been close to his house and the site where the body was dumped could be 13 miles further away.]
3) Zero chance a community with a John, Billy, Marianne, Lori, Helen, Dylan, Erin, Frank, Dawn, and Kenny produces a "Siobhan." Zero. And I will fight you on this.
I'll address these one at a time maybe
2. He did not ride his bike 13 miles in face we don't know how far he rode his bike it might have been 2 blocks.
EDIT - I see your edit now but i was already typing this.
They did not say the park was 13 miles from Erin's house, nor 13 miles from town. The park was 13 miles from where Erin's body was found which was presumably deep in the woods - that's somewhere close to where the teens went to hang out to avoid cops cuz they were underage drinking etc. Maybe it was another mile or 2 from there they had distinctive names.
In fact we saw Lori and Mare in that same park smoking a cigarette on a bench in one episode. It was logically kinda close to the Ross' house then I presume.
Now 17 year old Erin did ride her bike some distance but it was probably less and not in one shot. Kenny's house looked like it was more rural maybe on that side of town but she did ride to Jess' apartment first and then to the woods.
Now if "town" is 5 miles wide let's say she might have been 6 miles from the woods and another mile or two from where her body was found. And the park is that 2 miles plus 6 miles plus the 5 miles across town to the other side.
Something like that.
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1. Dylan wasn't trying to convince anyone he wasn't the father. He was trying to keep anyone from finding out who the real father was - and he didn't want to know. Hence burn the journals without reading them.
A little far fetched for sure the lengths he went to. And he drew extra scrutiny because of it - but anyone on the show who was getting extra scrutiny was definitely not the killer we all knew that.
As for #3.
Yeah it was a little odd - it is just an Irish name though. Irish form of the name Joan or Joanne (from the French Jeanne most likely). Male form is Sean very Irish.
The last names Sheehan and Fahey (maiden) are both definitely of Irish origin. So maybe as simple as named for some relative from the old country.
Only 3 episodes in so not reading much of what's here yet, but I got to hand it to HBO and other streaming services for giving prominent roles to older women whose fading beauty doesn't mean they aren't still excellent actresses. I'm thinking about Winona Rider, Christina Applegate, Linda Cardellini, and I'm sure there are more.
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Edited with correction
HBO you mean?
Yeah all of those women are still hot.
Damn, great show. Felt like True Detective mixed with Gone Baby Gone, really intense emotional and suspenseful experience. Winslet better win the Emmy for best actress in a mini-series, maybe the best work she's done. There were a few too many red herrings for me, had a feeling there was a conspiracy going on, but didn't nail the pieces down. I thought it was going to be the preacher/cousin being covered for by the deacon.
I'd give it a solid 8/10.
I'd give it a solid 8/10.
Great show and twist at the end, but I kept wondering if there was yet another twist to come ... perhaps Ryan was covering for his sister all along? Sorry, couldn't help it...
rynning said:
Great show and twist at the end, but I kept wondering if there was yet another twist to come ... perhaps Ryan was covering for his sister all along? Sorry, couldn't help it...
That birthday card she made for him in Juvie definitely said something along the lines of
"Happy Birthday, Thanks for taking the fall for me"
Or "Thanks for putting the gun back."astros4545 said:rynning said:
Great show and twist at the end, but I kept wondering if there was yet another twist to come ... perhaps Ryan was covering for his sister all along? Sorry, couldn't help it...
That birthday card she made for him in Juvie definitely said something along the lines of
"Happy Birthday, Thanks for taking the fall for me"
rynning said:Or "Thanks for putting the gun back."astros4545 said:rynning said:
Great show and twist at the end, but I kept wondering if there was yet another twist to come ... perhaps Ryan was covering for his sister all along? Sorry, couldn't help it...
That birthday card she made for him in Juvie definitely said something along the lines of
"Happy Birthday, Thanks for taking the fall for me"
Or "You're next if you squeal."
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