You said there was proof. But you didn't show your work. You just want us to trust you. The burden of proof is on you. Don't be lazy even if it is Sunday.
Why doesn't Disney just cancel the new Snow White movie?
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fig96 said:
Is there a reason we've been talking about box office for 10+ years in these threads and only started breaking down exactly what the profits vs costs are yesterday?
We haven't had any good TCTTS vs. Spilner arguments about the prequels to distract us.
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🚨😵💫OMG#SnowWhite , with #RachelZegler & #GalGadot, wrapped the weekend with just ~$168M Box Office Worldwide
— Box Office Forecast 🎬 (@BoxOfficeFcst) April 6, 2025
Now there's a real risk it won’t even hit $100M domestic or the $200M global milestone😳
Snow White is eyeing a finale ~$215m🔽
Budget💸:$270m - No theatrical… pic.twitter.com/gllSERwbNL
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You can't judge the success or failure of a movie by using dollars, GTFOYNWA_AG said:🚨😵💫OMG#SnowWhite , with #RachelZegler & #GalGadot, wrapped the weekend with just ~$168M Box Office Worldwide
— Box Office Forecast 🎬 (@BoxOfficeFcst) April 6, 2025
Now there's a real risk it won’t even hit $100M domestic or the $200M global milestone😳
Snow White is eyeing a finale ~$215m🔽
Budget💸:$270m - No theatrical… pic.twitter.com/gllSERwbNL
I think the long runway of no competition that some were predicting just ended. From everything I've seen, the Minecraft movie is the kids movie that is going to dominate from now to the Summer.
double aught said:
The $90 million is only domestic, right?
No. I think it likely lands at $180-$200 million worldwide, but remember that theaters will take about half. They won't come close to covering production costs.
20ag07 said:
You ignored a lot of ancillary revenue.
It's not just box office gross you can start deducting costs on to land on a net.
Like? Disney is going to pay itself for streaming rights. This movie bombed pretty ****ing hard, and I can't imagine many are going to spend money buying or renting it when it's going to hit D+ pretty quick. Merchandise costs money to produce as well, and it's not like they're going make hundreds of millions selling merch from a movie no one saw.
Right.
But some here are acting as if Disney is the only studio who has these costs or has ever made a bomb. When every movie that has ever been made is subject to the same economics, and every studio under the sun has bombs every year.
This is the business.
This is movie making.
Yet, in this thread, there's this weird, incessant need to turn this particular movie into some unique situation or culture war hinge point that proves once and for all that our side won and their side lost and woke is dead and the Disney empire crumbling, etc, etc.
While I do believe that this particular instance *is* a sign of the times, at least to a degree - and a welcomed one at that - so many posts here arguing against the movie or celebrating its demise are also dripping with such agenda-driven desperation and, in the process, are attempting to paint the overall studio economics as so much worse than they really are.
When, in reality, this movie is a holdover from the old Disney regime, was reluctantly marketed by a new regime, one who is already keeping promises/making sweeping changes, and Disney will likely end up as one of the top performing studios yet again.
But some here are acting as if Disney is the only studio who has these costs or has ever made a bomb. When every movie that has ever been made is subject to the same economics, and every studio under the sun has bombs every year.
This is the business.
This is movie making.
Yet, in this thread, there's this weird, incessant need to turn this particular movie into some unique situation or culture war hinge point that proves once and for all that our side won and their side lost and woke is dead and the Disney empire crumbling, etc, etc.
While I do believe that this particular instance *is* a sign of the times, at least to a degree - and a welcomed one at that - so many posts here arguing against the movie or celebrating its demise are also dripping with such agenda-driven desperation and, in the process, are attempting to paint the overall studio economics as so much worse than they really are.
When, in reality, this movie is a holdover from the old Disney regime, was reluctantly marketed by a new regime, one who is already keeping promises/making sweeping changes, and Disney will likely end up as one of the top performing studios yet again.
ABATTBQ11 said:20ag07 said:
You ignored a lot of ancillary revenue.
It's not just box office gross you can start deducting costs on to land on a net.
Like? Disney is going to pay itself for streaming rights. This movie bombed pretty ****ing hard, and I can't imagine many are going to spend money buying or renting it when it's going to hit D+ pretty quick. Merchandise costs money to produce as well, and it's not like they're going make hundreds of millions selling merch from a movie no one saw.
I took a look at the Disney Store offerings online. When my daughter was younger we shopped in their brick and mortar stores all the time and one thing you could count on was major tie-in to movie launches. The store would be filled with Elsa and Anna stuff after Frozen hit the theaters, Mulan stuff when those movies etc. I haven't been in one of their stores in years but would expect their website to be featuring Snow White right now and it isn't even on the front web page you have to filter to find anything Snow White and none of what they offer looks like Zegler.
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That's weird, you think they'd be smart enough to put all the merchandise from the movie that nobody saw and everybody hated right on the front page!
We'll try this again. Respectfully.Quote:
You said there was proof. But you didn't show your work. You just want us to trust you. The burden of proof is on you. Don't be lazy even if it is Sunday.
Bad math was provided that didn't show any work, and the math was easily disprovable by any SEC filing or regulartory investor relations filing.
Did you put the "burden of proof" on that bad, and easily disproveable math? Nope, you certainly did not. Because you liked the concept.
When I said that was wrong, and easily disprovable in 5 seconds from multiple variable places like the SEC and other regulatory filings, did you put the "burden of proof" on me, simply bc you didn't like the disagreement? Yep, you sure did.
Did you bother to ask for the math or the spreadsheets or the "burden of proof" from the claim that was initially made, that should have had all those things?
Nah, because you liked the narrative, and didn't care about initial incorrect things being claimed as long as they fed the narrative you liked.
So, "respectfully", if you're going to go to bat on who has "proof", and "showed work", and "owes spreadsheets", please "respectfully" considers who owes that first. And the answer isn't just "claims you like and don't like". That would be the first person who makes the claims. Not the first person who points out that claims without any of that were wrong.
Order of operations.
Respectfully. (As if you cared about any of those basic facts).
You did all that without swearing at me.
I'm so proud of you.
I'm so proud of you.
I never once swore at you.
There are filters that exist for a reason that prevent that from happening.
If you chose to assume some swears, well those are your own assumptions.
You were being obtuse and you know it. Respectfully, of course. I'd venture to guess that won't be the last time you cry to staff. While using the "Grand Canyon" between your "extreme sarcasm" and "perceived swears". Next time you'll prob demand a spreadsheet deciphering abbreviations to your perceived swears.
Respectfully, of course.
There are filters that exist for a reason that prevent that from happening.
If you chose to assume some swears, well those are your own assumptions.
You were being obtuse and you know it. Respectfully, of course. I'd venture to guess that won't be the last time you cry to staff. While using the "Grand Canyon" between your "extreme sarcasm" and "perceived swears". Next time you'll prob demand a spreadsheet deciphering abbreviations to your perceived swears.
Respectfully, of course.
Remember the Aggie Honor Code.
We all saw it.
And I didn't contact Staff.
We all saw it.
And I didn't contact Staff.
I flagged your posts.
When you call some "obtuse as !!" and "!hole," (edited so MY posts don't get removed for quoting your filter-skirting) the swearing isn't assumed. Give me a break. I disagree with you a ton, but even I don't think you're capable of that level of self-delusion.
When you call some "obtuse as !!" and "!hole," (edited so MY posts don't get removed for quoting your filter-skirting) the swearing isn't assumed. Give me a break. I disagree with you a ton, but even I don't think you're capable of that level of self-delusion.
What boggles my mind about this whole situation is that everyone arguing on this thread is an adult, despite all evidence.
"Obtuse as forever" and "digging a hole" in the ground, for all you knew.
All of which would have been accurate.
Respectfully, of course.
All of which would have been accurate.
Respectfully, of course.
Claude! said:
What boggles my mind about this whole situation is that everyone arguing on this thread is an adult, despite all evidence.
2007 could be a birth year for someone.
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Never thought I'd miss the Snow White talk.
Well, if you want more...
Based on this weekend, we can probably assume another 60% drop on the coming weekdays, maybe more. If it moves to a 40% WoW drop from Friday on out and has an 8 week run, it tops out right at $90 million domestic. If it maintains 60% drops it finishes at $84.4 million, just under The Marvels. It needs WoW drops of 20% or less to make it to $100 million domestic in 8 weeks so that's pretty much of the table at this point. I'm thinking 50%-55% drops on average and signs $87 million domestic, but $85 million wouldn't surprise me. A 40/60 domestic/international split would put it at ~$215 worldwide.
Crazy to think about, but at this point The Marvels had made 96% of its total domestic box office. Snow White is tracking almost the exact same way. Only 2.5 weeks in and we have a window of about $5-$6 million to finish in.
Based on this weekend, we can probably assume another 60% drop on the coming weekdays, maybe more. If it moves to a 40% WoW drop from Friday on out and has an 8 week run, it tops out right at $90 million domestic. If it maintains 60% drops it finishes at $84.4 million, just under The Marvels. It needs WoW drops of 20% or less to make it to $100 million domestic in 8 weeks so that's pretty much of the table at this point. I'm thinking 50%-55% drops on average and signs $87 million domestic, but $85 million wouldn't surprise me. A 40/60 domestic/international split would put it at ~$215 worldwide.
Crazy to think about, but at this point The Marvels had made 96% of its total domestic box office. Snow White is tracking almost the exact same way. Only 2.5 weeks in and we have a window of about $5-$6 million to finish in.
But this isn't just a bomb that some random studio made. This movie should have been one of the easiest layups of all time considering the success of previous live action classics. It's freaking SNOW WHITE and the woke studio and woke cast managed to tank it almost on purpose.TCTTS said:
But some here are acting as if Disney is the only studio who has these costs or has ever made a bomb. When every movie that has ever been made is subject to the same economics, and every studio under the sun has bombs every year.
No no no... The movie itself just really sucks. No one really cares about any of that, and family audiences have been so starved for entertainment that this would have walked to $500 million if it was even halfway decent. Obviously it sucks and bad word of mouth killed its opening and everything after.
Honest question, does anyone actually like Snow White? I don't think kids (especially mine) care at all about it.
I don't think Snow White is necessarily a layup and now you add all the other nonsense it definitely isn't going to do well.
I don't think Snow White is necessarily a layup and now you add all the other nonsense it definitely isn't going to do well.
Thinking about it logically, while it's a classic story it's not one that has a built in audience like the more recent films do (primarily from Gen X/Millennial parents bringing their kids up on it).
Lion King, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. are still very much alive in pop culture while Snow White isn't in the conversation often (I'd guess the live action Moana will do pretty well too, not sure about Lilo and Stitch). The other live action remake that had a similar issue is Dumbo, another film that didn't do all that well.
Lion King, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. are still very much alive in pop culture while Snow White isn't in the conversation often (I'd guess the live action Moana will do pretty well too, not sure about Lilo and Stitch). The other live action remake that had a similar issue is Dumbo, another film that didn't do all that well.
Why does it seem so hard to just acknowledge there were multiple compounding issues with this film that contributed to its low turnout?
It wasn't just the unnecessary woke stuff like the CGI dwarfs instead of real dwarf actors.
It wasn't just the beyond idiotic commentary by the lead actress.
It wasn't just the bad CGI, bad acting by Gadot, and lame new spin like a merry band of robbers.
It wasn't just the fact that the original Snow White film isn't really all that interesting to modern audiences so that "built-in" audience maybe isn't really there.
It wasn't just the Minecraft release eating into the audience.
It was all of that combined.
It wasn't just the unnecessary woke stuff like the CGI dwarfs instead of real dwarf actors.
It wasn't just the beyond idiotic commentary by the lead actress.
It wasn't just the bad CGI, bad acting by Gadot, and lame new spin like a merry band of robbers.
It wasn't just the fact that the original Snow White film isn't really all that interesting to modern audiences so that "built-in" audience maybe isn't really there.
It wasn't just the Minecraft release eating into the audience.
It was all of that combined.
My daughter is prime Disney princess age (4), and we just took a trip to DisneyWorld a month ago. Every once in a while she'll ask to watch it but loses interest fairly quick. It's probably towards the bottom of the princesses she likes to watch.Madmarttigan said:
Honest question, does anyone actually like Snow White? I don't think kids (especially mine) care at all about it.
I don't think Snow White is necessarily a layup and now you add all the other nonsense it definitely isn't going to do well.
I've had no interest in taking her to this movie primarily because it looks terrible and because the changes they made from the original seem pretty dumb to me. My wife didn't really grow up caring about Snow White (she sees it more as something that her grandparents had fondness for), so she didn't push to see it either.
Is anyone arguing against this?FL_Ag1998 said:
Why does it seem so hard to just acknowledge there were multiple compounding issues with this film that contributed to its low turnout?
It wasn't just the unnecessary woke stuff like the CGI dwarfs instead of real dwarf actors.
It wasn't just the beyond idiotic commentary by the lead actress.
It wasn't just the bad CGI, bad acting by Gadot, and lame new spin like a merry band of robbers.
It wasn't just the fact that the original Snow White film isn't really all that interesting to modern audiences so that "built-in" audience maybe isn't really there.
It wasn't just the Minecraft release eating into the audience.
It was all of that combined.
Just like everything else, nothing occurs in a vacuum and lots of different things factored in.
Agree, Snow White is more popular with an older generator who didn't go see it due to a # of reason:fig96 said:
Thinking about it logically, while it's a classic story it's not one that has a built in audience like the more recent films do (primarily from Gen X/Millennial parents bringing their kids up on it).
Lion King, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. are still very much alive in pop culture while Snow White isn't in the conversation often (I'd guess the live action Moana will do pretty well too, not sure about Lilo and Stitch). The other live action remake that had a similar issue is Dumbo, another film that didn't do all that well.
1. Woke
2. New Music wasn't that good.. it wasn't
3. The CGI was hit and miss
4. Story is dated.
Finally, to your point.. an amazing cast in a live action "Frozen" would kill. The music is amazing and the story is loved by Gen X/Millennial.
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This is the real linchpin of it all. No kid cares about Snow White. My kids went through multiple princess Halloweens, dress up costumes, toys, and Disney trips, and Snow White was never on the radar. Other than the 7 Dwarves Mine Train ride, which Snow White herself is in for 5 seconds, she's a non-presence at the parks.Madmarttigan said:
Honest question, does anyone actually like Snow White? I don't think kids (especially mine) care at all about it.
I don't think Snow White is necessarily a layup and now you add all the other nonsense it definitely isn't going to do well.
Revolutionary animation? Of course!
Crappy shorty - also of course. She runs away, is saved by the woodsman, gets lost, finds the dwarfs, falls for the witch's trick and gets saved by the prince. She never does anything on her own or exhibit any sort of real character traits other than bossing the dwarves around.
Madmarttigan said:
Honest question, does anyone actually like Snow White? I don't think kids (especially mine) care at all about it.
I don't think Snow White is necessarily a layup and now you add all the other nonsense it definitely isn't going to do well.
My daughter went through about a year when it was all she wanted to watch.
fig96 said:Is anyone arguing against this?FL_Ag1998 said:
Why does it seem so hard to just acknowledge there were multiple compounding issues with this film that contributed to its low turnout?
It wasn't just the unnecessary woke stuff like the CGI dwarfs instead of real dwarf actors.
It wasn't just the beyond idiotic commentary by the lead actress.
It wasn't just the bad CGI, bad acting by Gadot, and lame new spin like a merry band of robbers.
It wasn't just the fact that the original Snow White film isn't really all that interesting to modern audiences so that "built-in" audience maybe isn't really there.
It wasn't just the Minecraft release eating into the audience.
It was all of that combined.
Just like everything else, nothing occurs in a vacuum and lots of different things factored in.
I made my post, because yes, I do see people claiming that there was a huge built in audience dying to see this movie until it "went woke".
It's pretty much the Citizen Cane of animation movies when you talk to moviephiles.The Original Houston 1836 said:This is the real linchpin of it all. No kid cares about Snow White. My kids went through multiple princess Halloweens, dress up costumes, toys, and Disney trips, and Snow White was never on the radar. Other than the 7 Dwarves Mine Train ride, which Snow White herself is in for 5 seconds, she's a non-presence at the parks.Madmarttigan said:
Honest question, does anyone actually like Snow White? I don't think kids (especially mine) care at all about it.
I don't think Snow White is necessarily a layup and now you add all the other nonsense it definitely isn't going to do well.
Revolutionary animation? Of course!
Crappy shorty - also of course. She runs away, is saved by the woodsman, gets lost, finds the dwarfs, falls for the witch's trick and gets saved by the prince. She never does anything on her own or exhibit any sort of real character traits other than bossing the dwarves around.
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This would be a more impressive statement if you had spelled "Kane" right.Hagen95 said:
It's pretty much the Citizen Cane of animation movies when you talk to moviephiles.
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