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No no no... The movie itself just really sucks. No one really cares about any of that, and family audiences have been so starved for entertainment that this would have walked to $500 million if it was even halfway decent. Obviously it sucks and bad word of mouth killed its opening and everything after.

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Once again, you're reduced to skewing words/creating a straw man to try and make your points. When no one here - especially not myself - made this argument as the sole reason this movie failed. Rather, as FL_Ag1998 pointed out, and has been acknowledged all along, bad word-of-mouth was ONE reason it failed... along with the woke factor... the grating lead actress... apparently no one giving a **** about a 90-year-old cartoon character anymore... Minecraft releasing... etc, etc, etc.

Why does any discussion with you in which you disagree with other posters turn in to you treating everyone with such contempt?

Because he was clearly and inaccurately mocking an argument I and couple other people had made earlier. Funny how you never call out the people doing the mocking, as long as they're on your side of the argument. What a coincidence. Yet anytime I respond, or push back on a narrative, you're right there to call me out time and time again. Why does any discussion in which you disagree with me turn into you treating me with such contempt?

I don't say anything to anyone else because they aren't the ones involved in every single argument on this entire board.

Give me a break. You stir as much **** here as anyone else, love to egg arguments on, etc. Also, I've seen some of the things you've said privately to certain individuals, which... yeah, there are multiple reasons I'm not a fan.

Oooh, my private conversations.

And he DEFINITELY can't share them because he'll catch a ban, but TRUST him, they're super duper bad.

He's just that close to the source.

Good guess on who one of those certain individuals is. Have fun rolling with that team

DannyDuberstein said:

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Good guess on who one of those certain individuals is. Have fun rolling with that team

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Yea my best guess is the number of people that I have had a PM conversation with and he has as well is all of one person.

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I've seen some of the things you've said privately to certain individuals

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Who took this?!

I forgot my Power Glove at home and had to type in just my compression gloves.

That's crazy. I'm of the mind that they put their own political and social agendas ahead of money, I almost can't believe that high-level people are dumb enough to think that the Snow White they produced would make a lot of money. Or that Acolyte would be massively popular. If you're right and this is all done to pander, it must just be a case of being so insulated in the LA bubble that they truly can't fathom the way most ordinary Americans think or behave.

If you plopped me into Hollywood, with as little as I know about how movies are actually made, and told me to produce a live action Snow White with literally zero agenda aside from making bank, I am fairly confident I could steer it in the right direction. Not saying it would be a masterpiece, but I would know what would get butts in cinema seats. But what I would make would not make me popular among the Hollywood crowd because it wouldn't be edgy or woke at all. Seems like some studios need a right of center person who doesn't GAF if he's popular or gets invited to parties to look at what's being pitched and save these studios millions of dollars by not letting them make insane decisions. "No, we are not casting this arrogant *****." "No, we are not changing the look of Snow White." "No, we are not making this about girl boss empowerment." "No, we are not choosing creepy CGI over actual little people." All very very common sense $$$$ decisions.

This thread has taken the traditional TexAgs arc from diagreement to bitterness to personal attacks to exhaustion to near-peacemaking back to pure spite. We've got about 72 hours left on the life cycle until the lock.

Even a cockroach sighting

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Even a cockroach sighting

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Oh, your zinger has stabbed me so deep in my heart of hearts!

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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No no no... The movie itself just really sucks. No one really cares about any of that, and family audiences have been so starved for entertainment that this would have walked to $500 million if it was even halfway decent. Obviously it sucks and bad word of mouth killed its opening and everything after.

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Once again, you're reduced to skewing words/creating a straw man to try and make your points. When no one here - especially not myself - made this argument as the sole reason this movie failed. Rather, as FL_Ag1998 pointed out, and has been acknowledged all along, bad word-of-mouth was ONE reason it failed... along with the woke factor... the grating lead actress... apparently no one giving a **** about a 90-year-old cartoon character anymore... Minecraft releasing... etc, etc, etc.

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Yes, this movie looks terrible. Yes, the whole dwarf thing has been ridiculous every step of the way, from Dinklage's comments through to the final, atrocious product. Yes, Zegler has been annoying. The only fascinating thing about any of this is the Israeli/Palestine conflict somehow playing out, in meta fashion, via a Snow White movie.

But none of that is going to stop this movie from making a **** ton of $$$.

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O/U on $500M worldwide?

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I'll say just slightly under.

Minecraft might actually end up doing more.

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To be clear, as I said before, I think everything about this movie has been exhausting. I think it looks terrible, I think Gal Gadot is a bad actress, and I find Rachel Zegler to be increasingly annoying/entitled.

I'm not rooting for this movie to succeed.

My only point is, if it's is even halfway decent, because of how starved families are for family fare, and given how barren the family movie landscape is until summer, it's likely not going to be the bomb so many clearly want it to be - even if it doesn't have a massive opening weekend - and that it could, in fact, end up be a decent-sized hit.

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I did just see weekend projections drop from $50M to $45M. Not great, but still not bomb territory either.

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I've simply said, numerous times now, that even if it fails to meet opening weekend expectations it still has like eight weeks of runway to recoup with virtually no completion. It all depends on word of mouth from here on out. Not what critics are saying, what Thursday night box office returns look like, etc.

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Granted, with low-to-average word of mouth, this one will almost assuredly underperform theatrically at this point. Let's wait and see how much it drops next weekend, though, which will be a good indicator of how it'll perform over the six weeks thereafter, still with little competition.

Either way, as weirdly desperate as you guys are to stomp on its grave, I still wouldn't call it a "bomb." Not even close. It simply didn't meet expectations. There's a difference.

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1. The wokeness, Zegler, the dwarves, and none of the other stuff matter and this will make a **** ton of money
2. It's going to make $500 million
3. It's going to make $500 million if it is even halfway decent
4. It's not going to bomb despite low interest because it's got a long runway and positive reviews can still help it
5. It's not going to bomb despite opening lower than The Marvels and all expectations because it could still have good word of mouth
6. It doesn't have great word of mouth and is going to underperform, but it's not that bad
7. I've said all along that there were a lot of things going against this movie and bad word of mouth wasn't the only reason it bombed, despite saying none of those things going against it would stop it from making a **** ton of money and spending a lot of time saying it could still do great with good word of mouth



It's just a little dirty! It's still good, it's still good!
It's just a little slimy! It's still good, it's still good!
It's just a little airborne! It's still good, it's still good!

It's gone.

I know.

Good lord the effort needed to go quote half a dozen points then follow up with your own commentary so…you can prove you're right about something someone said on a message board?

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Good lord the effort needed to go quote half a dozen points then follow up with your own commentary so…you can prove you're right about something someone said on a message board?

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What's even funnier is that none of those quotes even remotely proved whatever point he was trying to make.

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Pretty sure he's trying to make the point that you were adamant this wouldn't bomb at the start and had to incrementally walk back your prediction. If so, mission accomplished.

Even though I don't know who he is, he's A-Batt '11 and I'm A-Batt '08, and it's easy to stick up for one of my fish especially when he happens to be right.

Some of you people have way too much time on your hands.

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I get that, genius. Again, though, I said "sole" reason. Nor was a speaking about just myself.

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His comments weren't about the reason, sole or ancillary, for the moving bombing. You expressed your confidence that this movie would still be a financial success (I think you said make a ton of money), and you very slowly walked that back over the last two weeks.

See how I can do that without insulting your literacy or sarcastically calling you names?

This thread smells like neckbeard

From the very start, my comments were CONDITIONAL. Read how many times I use the words "if," "depends," "wait and see," etc. And yes, over the days/weeks, as more info came in, I adjusted my expectations/argument, like any sane person would do, and admitted as much every step of the way. That, and they were always clearly just guesses, while some of you are acting as if I'm a certified expert who should be on trial for a prognosis that cost lives or billion-dollar investments or whatever. I swear, this is one of the most psychotic conversations I've ever had on this board, which is saying something.

So you are like Fat Ketch with recruiting rankings?

When an Aggie ends up being a first round pick, you go back and adjust him from a three-star to a five-star?

Your mom sounds wise.