DBird said:

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No, he was a winner. Fans watch winners

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Lol

Riiiiight

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Did Tiger Wood's perceived skin color have anything to do with his popularity?

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His color, being the lone black golf superstar definitely helped. His story, of being raised to be a golfer helped, too.

BigRobSA said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Did Tiger Wood's perceived skin color have anything to do with his popularity?

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His color, being the lone black golf superstar definitely helped. His story, of being raised to be a golfer helped, too.

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100%

If he had been white his popularity and the media attention would have been half of what it was. Its no different than with Clark. Yet so many have an issue with her

Its a double standard

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Kvetch said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Did Tiger Wood's perceived skin color have anything to do with his popularity?

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His color, being the lone black golf superstar definitely helped. His story, of being raised to be a golfer helped, too.

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There have been other black golfers. He's not Jackie Robinson here. Tiger became popular because of his incredible talent. Being half black is just a footnote on the story, not a part of the main plot.

It's like saying Sandy Koufax benefitted from being Jewish instead of recognizing he was one of the greatest pitchers of his generation who just happened to be Jewish.

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This. Tiger became popular because he was a young guy doing incredible things on the golf course like the 15 stroke win at the US Open and the Tiger Slam. His skin color brought more eyes to his accomplishments, sure, but to say he was popular because he had dark skin is just wrong.

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Nobody on this thread has suggested that Tiger's popularity was "because" of his skin color. The question was if it had anything to do with it.

It looks at first like you disagree with the idea, but then you say "it brought more eyes to his accomplishments," which appears to be agreeing with the statement. So I'm not sure where you're going with your answer.

In my opinion...
If Tiger Woods had been mediocre, we would never have heard his name regardless of his skin color.
If he had been white and the best golfer of all time, he would have been the most famous player in the 4th or 5th most popular sport in America.
But being both black & the best golfer ever helped his popularity transcend sports. Literally everyone knows who Tiger Woods is, and that can't be said for any other golfer before or since.

DBird said:

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No, he was a winner. Fans watch winners

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No only was he a winner, he was doing things no one else was was able to do.

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Did Tiger Wood's perceived skin color have anything to do with his popularity?

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His color, being the lone black golf superstar definitely helped. His story, of being raised to be a golfer helped, too.

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100%

If he had been white his popularity and the media attention would have been half of what it was. Its no different than with Clark. Yet so many have an issue with her

Its a double standard

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The guy won 4 consecutive majors in a row. Let me say that again, in a row. The guy won 10 majors before he was 30. Who cares about his skin color?

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Who cares? The 10s of thousands of African Americans that became fans of golf over night

Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

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Because women are petty. Black women are by far the most petty

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

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Because women are petty. Black women are by far the most petty

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You need to visit your nearest Barrio. A black woman's got nothing on a Latina, trust.

WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

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Caitlin is fun AF to watch, and thanks to her, I now know that many in the WNBA (white, black, whatTFever) are also fun to watch.

The haters will hate, and will look for reasons to express their hate, but the fact is the WNBA is doing better now than ever and I think it's only getting started.

DBird said:

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Who cares about his skin color?

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White liberals on a grievance mission.

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WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

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Caitlin is fun AF to watch, and thanks to her, I now know that many in the WNBA (white, black, whatTFever) are also fun to watch.

The haters will hate, and will look for reasons to express their hate, but the fact is the WNBA is doing better now than ever and I think it's only getting started.

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Most don't care about the WNBA, but I agree with you. I will watch Caitlin Clark play regularly. My daughter likes Paige Bueckers. I'd rather watch Clark play than any NBA game now.

I loved the NBA as a kid. Bird, Magic, Jordan - Hakeem, Clyde and the Rockets, the Knicks, the Bad Boy days of the Pistons, etc. There were true rivalries and physical games. Now? Just a bunch of entitled jackasses dribbling around and jacking up threes.

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WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

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Caitlin is fun AF to watch, and thanks to her, I now know that many in the WNBA (white, black, whatTFever) are also fun to watch.

The haters will hate, and will look for reasons to express their hate, but the fact is the WNBA is doing better now than ever and I think it's only getting started.

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I could see it getting popular like US Soccer until a handful that get all the coverage become insufferable complainers to the point where people go back to not caring. Like with US Soccer

Fever-Sky averaged 2.7M viewers on ABC, peaking at 3.1M.

It's the most-watched WNBA game EVER on ESPN platforms—regular season or postseason. pic.twitter.com/Yu9Nop8csW

— Front Office Sports (@FOS) May 20, 2025

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No Spin Ag said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

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Caitlin is fun AF to watch, and thanks to her, I now know that many in the WNBA (white, black, whatTFever) are also fun to watch.

The haters will hate, and will look for reasons to express their hate, but the fact is the WNBA is doing better now than ever and I think it's only getting started.

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I could see it getting popular like US Soccer until a handful that get all the coverage become insufferable complainers to the point where people go back to not caring. Like with US Soccer

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That's probably a fair prediction.

ShaggySLC said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

Caitlin Clark is a badass. So is Paige Bueckers. The WNBA players are obviously extremely jealous of Clark and her success and notoriety (and her being white), which is stupid since she has brought a whole new audience to their league. As a girl dad whose daughter plays basketball, I like watching Clark play. She is awesome.

The NBA and WNBA are majority black players, by a lot. Why is it that the good white players in the NBA aren't hated by the black players like they are in the WNBA?

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Caitlin is fun AF to watch, and thanks to her, I now know that many in the WNBA (white, black, whatTFever) are also fun to watch.

The haters will hate, and will look for reasons to express their hate, but the fact is the WNBA is doing better now than ever and I think it's only getting started.

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I could see it getting popular like US Soccer until a handful that get all the coverage become insufferable complainers to the point where people go back to not caring. Like with US Soccer

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Very likely, that's why it's best to enjoy things while we can, because Americans are good at nothing if not destroying their own.

WestTexasAg said:

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Some of you are obsessed with putting these women down. We get it. Of course they can't hang with the men. That's the very reason men shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why do we need to keep bringing that up? That's pretty damn obvious.

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its apparently not as obvious as you think if we're still having this discussion. I vividly remember ~20 years ago when this site didnt have separate basketball forums for the men and women, and so I was forced to read thread titles from the womens fans.

there was a high school powerhouse program at the time that was out of Nevada called Findlay Prep. had lots of future NBA players go through. there was a probly a 5 page discussion on whether or not the Uconn Womens team could beat them or not. I heard all about muh fundamentals from the womens fans and how that trumps the glaring disparity in athleticism.

that was probly the first time i realized that having a functioning prefontal cortex was not a prerequisite to being an aggie or adult.

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Who cares? The 10s of thousands of African Americans that became fans of golf over night

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Just a small bucket compared to the masses Tiger converted into golf fans. Not to mention the change to what it takes (weight training) to be a professional golfer.

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I could see it getting popular like US Soccer until a handful that get all the coverage become insufferable complainers to the point where people go back to not caring.

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USWNT became popular because the team represented the US and won consistently (definitely wasn't for the aesthetics). People lost interest when the team became more about themselves than representing the country; that's when interests started to wane.

LOL
Clay is such a troll. I like him ok, and his opinions are usually on target.
that said...
I hope Angel accepts the offer and dogs his a**
(Not a big Angel fan)

Kvetch said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Did Tiger Wood's perceived skin color have anything to do with his popularity?

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His color, being the lone black golf superstar definitely helped. His story, of being raised to be a golfer helped, too.

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There have been other black golfers. He's not Jackie Robinson here. Tiger became popular because of his incredible talent. Being half black is just a footnote on the story, not a part of the main plot.

It's like saying Sandy Koufax benefitted from being Jewish instead of recognizing he was one of the greatest pitchers of his generation who just happened to be Jewish.

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This.

Tiger Wood's heritage (Black/Philipino) was incidental to his popularity, not essential.

What was essential was his work ethic, his dad's influence, the high level of strength conditioning he introduced into the sport, his focus, and his intensity.

As a lifelong golf fan, I have always been a huge admirer of Tiger. The color of his skin has never been on my mind as I admired his exceptional talent. Neither has Jordan's, Rice's or (I'm dating myself here) Dorsett's. Or, for that matter, Freeman's or Washington's (save his first film, which I loved)

Amazing that her being good and white is such a big issue. What a country...

Even the white lesbians don't like her.

A bunch of catty, jealous mean girls.

The WNBA should have immediately ejected this woman for this non-basketball attack on Caitlin Clark.

pic.twitter.com/ecjNF07ozC

— Bobby Burack (@burackbobby_) June 18, 2025

Was Michael Jordan popular because he was black?

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But a player finally appears to have her back.

Sophie Cunningham just took out the chick who raked Caitlin Clark’s eyes. Can Dennis Rodman put his dress back on and be an enforcer? Things getting spicy! pic.twitter.com/1sEJJazTuS

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 18, 2025

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Clown show. They're doing everything they can to get more than a few thousand people in the entire country excited about their brand of 3 point shots and layups.

It's all a planned tv show now like NBA, NFL.

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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DBird said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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Did Tiger Wood's perceived skin color have anything to do with his popularity?

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His color, being the lone black golf superstar definitely helped. His story, of being raised to be a golfer helped, too.

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100%

If he had been white his popularity and the media attention would have been half of what it was. Its no different than with Clark. Yet so many have an issue with her

Its a double standard

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The guy won 4 consecutive majors in a row. Let me say that again, in a row. The guy won 10 majors before he was 30. Who cares about his skin color?

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Who cares? The 10s of thousands of African Americans that became fans of golf over night

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I thought the whole deal of sticking a fork in the eye of Augusta National was part of the story line. I rooted for him because I appreciate greatness, and I had no other rooting interests.

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But a player finally appears to have her back.

Sophie Cunningham just took out the chick who raked Caitlin Clark’s eyes. Can Dennis Rodman put his dress back on and be an enforcer? Things getting spicy! pic.twitter.com/1sEJJazTuS

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 18, 2025

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Maybe the WNBA will become like the NBA in the late eighties and nineties. If that's the case, where do I sign up.

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Amazing that her being good and white is such a big issue. What a country...

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Larry Bird is rolling over in his grave.

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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But a player finally appears to have her back.

Sophie Cunningham just took out the chick who raked Caitlin Clark’s eyes. Can Dennis Rodman put his dress back on and be an enforcer? Things getting spicy! pic.twitter.com/1sEJJazTuS

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 18, 2025

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Maybe the WNBA will become like the NBA in the late eighties and nineties. If that's the case, where do I sign up.

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Rename it GLOB.