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Nanomachines son said:

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Yes this does have something to do with it. Same reason Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel blew up nationally. They were electric must see TV because they were athletic white guys dominating a sport with a lot of blacks and they had appeal to middle America.

There is no point in denying this.

The fact is people associate with people who look like them. It's how we are made and built. This has been the norm for all of human history.

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Cam Newton
Jameis Winston
Russel Wilson


Hell, look at University of Colorado rating this season.

Lots of examples of black athletes drawing viewers.

Do you really think a black player doing what Manziel and Tebow did wouldn't draw the same attention?

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No, they would not. Kyler Murray, Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, etc. were all just as talented and successful in college but they weren't even in the same stratosphere popularity wise. Tebow and Manziel were known by virtually everyone, even those who didn't watch football or sports.

Clark has this same sort of appeal from the female side.

Race and how they appeal to middle America absolutely does matter. The black athletes are angry because they will never be able to tap into this. It sucks for them but that's life in a heterogeneous nation. People will naturally gravitate towards those who are most like them. That's just how it works.

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The problem that you have is that none of those quarterbacks played in a major conference. Tebow, Cam, and Johnny played in the SEC. Slider ran from the conference.

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Nanomachines son said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Yes this does have something to do with it. Same reason Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel blew up nationally. They were electric must see TV because they were athletic white guys dominating a sport with a lot of blacks and they had appeal to middle America.

There is no point in denying this.

The fact is people associate with people who look like them. It's how we are made and built. This has been the norm for all of human history.

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Cam Newton
Jameis Winston
Russel Wilson


Hell, look at University of Colorado rating this season.

Lots of examples of black athletes drawing viewers.

Do you really think a black player doing what Manziel and Tebow did wouldn't draw the same attention?

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No, they would not. Kyler Murray, Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, etc. were all just as talented and successful in college but they weren't even in the same stratosphere popularity wise. Tebow and Manziel were known by virtually everyone, even those who didn't watch football or sports.

Clark has this same sort of appeal from the female side.

Race and how they appeal to middle America absolutely does matter. The black athletes are angry because they will never be able to tap into this. It sucks for them but that's life in a heterogeneous nation. People will naturally gravitate towards those who are most like them. That's just how it works.

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The problem that you have is that none of those quarterbacks played in a major conference. Tebow, Cam, and Johnny played in the SEC. Slider ran from the conference.

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JFF also had tons of hype around him because his off the field antics....trying to compare JFF with Kyler and Lamar Jackon in college is laughable.

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Nanomachines son said:

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Yes this does have something to do with it. Same reason Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel blew up nationally. They were electric must see TV because they were athletic white guys dominating a sport with a lot of blacks and they had appeal to middle America.

There is no point in denying this.

The fact is people associate with people who look like them. It's how we are made and built. This has been the norm for all of human history.

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Cam Newton
Jameis Winston
Russel Wilson


Hell, look at University of Colorado rating this season.

Lots of examples of black athletes drawing viewers.

Do you really think a black player doing what Manziel and Tebow did wouldn't draw the same attention?

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No, they would not. Kyler Murray, Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, etc. were all just as talented and successful in college but they weren't even in the same stratosphere popularity wise. Tebow and Manziel were known by virtually everyone, even those who didn't watch football or sports.

Clark has this same sort of appeal from the female side.

Race and how they appeal to middle America absolutely does matter. The black athletes are angry because they will never be able to tap into this. It sucks for them but that's life in a heterogeneous nation. People will naturally gravitate towards those who are most like them. That's just how it works.

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Manziel and Tebow had a level of "notoriety" attached to them.

Manziel with the money stuff and his party attitude and Tebow with his staunch Christian faith.

There were stories above and beyond football with both of them...

Kyler, Mahomes, Jackson just played phenomenal football.

Look at Cam Newton or Jameis Winston - Much more well known...but that's because there was more than just foosball to the story.

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Caitlin Clark is popular because she is one of the best college basketball players ever to play, good looking, and friendly to the public. I don't care what color you are if you put those three things together you have a star. Angel Reese isn't popular because the persona she has chosen to use is mean. In all my years of leadership positions no one has ever followed victims, anger, or arrogance. This country is what MLK asked for all those years ago…character over color and now that it's here so many want to be known for their color. Begs the question "is it because they don't want to be judged by their character because it's lacking?"

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Now do Tiger Woods

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Cerena and Venus Williams would also like a word....

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The wnba has made a strategic mistake....

In am effort to grow the sport, they attached their wagons to their only fans, lgbtq/socially radical groups. They abandoned the middle. We'll, they did more than abandon the middle, they actively pushed the middle/right away, canceled those who didn't comply with their group think.

Now, the biggest star since sliced bread doesn't fit their pre determined, pre fabricated hero profile and they're going to struggle to expand their leagues fandom because of such incompetency.

Then MLS has done the same. Whenever you go to an austin fc game and get plastered with pride flags, trans flags, antifa flags, it really makes a "normal" person wonder why one should be there.

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that may be in Austin, but it's not everywhere else. Sporting KC has tons of fans every game. It's a great, family friendly atmosphere.

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In all my years of leadership positions no one has ever followed victims, anger, or arrogance.

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What about Steve Jobs?
He wasn't exactly a cuddly teddy bear.

He was inventing bad arse tech, he didn't need to be cuddly! He was not the face of a sports team.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Edison kind of a hole?

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"…Brittney Griener is heinous and sounds like a man."

That's because she is a man.

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Behold. Probably NSFW. Griner shooting topless.

She's a minority in her chosen profession, and not so much in the general population. The people raising this issue are having trouble squaring that.

Is Griner back playing again?

There's your angle WNBA.

Brittney v. Catalin

The 2024 version of Magic v Bird.

I feel like Clark is to the WNBA like Larry Bird & Magic were to the NBA back when the NBA was on tape delay and the NCAA was much more popular than it's professional partner.

One huge reason why so many Iowa fans liked Clark was she was a great player who stuck around for 4 years. That doesn't happen anymore, especially in basketball.

She is not the first woman to receive a lot of hype coming into the league, but she has brought a lot of attention to the WNBA.



It also should be pointed out that if being pretty good white girl was all that it took to bring attention, someone needs to explain why more people don't know who Cameron Brink is (unless you saw her in the New Balance ad)

She was the 2nd pick in the draft.

I don't think white/black is the issue at all. Caitlin Clark smiles, acts like she's happy to be alive, has a great social media game, and has an unusual skill set. Most WNBA players on the other hand take pride in being unapproachable, surly harridans who use their very limited camera time to angrily scream about oppression. Why's that a problem? Well, your average Joe works too many hours, has a few kids, and worries about money and job security in this dog sheet economy. Neither he nor I wants to waste very scarce free time listening to some hag tell us how awful everything is and how complicit we are.

And there are so many examples of non white people who follow the Clark pattern and are popular. Look at Von Miller. Dude does his goofy sack dances, shows up to interviews in his big nerd glasses and then grins and jokes, and uses his spare time to advance his charity. That makes me and average Joe feel good and happy, not mad, so everybody loved him. Cam Newton is another example. He showed up to press conferences looking like it was a pit stop on the way to a pimping convention, grinned and joked with the reporters, etc., and it made him very popular. (He's honestly SO dumb that he hit a bit of a glass ceiling, but that's not the issue.) Really I think Clark is popular because she's unique, capitalized on her uniqueness, and avoided anything off-putting. That's it.

The woman quoted in the OP who said it makes her "blood boil" doesn't realize it, but she's spinning the feedback loop faster and faster with her behavior. If you're angry and nasty all the time, people aren't going to like you, and if you're waiting for people to like you before you dial down the anger, it's never going to happen.

For people that have ever followed any sort of basketball, the appeal is simple - she has the same shot release time as Steph Curry. It's actually entertaining to watch, whether it be a man or woman. NBA players are actually entertained by how quickly she gets a shot off with accuracy. That's it. That's the appeal.

I have yet to see another female player with such a unique talent in their game. I will admit, this is the only exciting part of her game to me. Everything is else is high school varsity boys level.

Chuck rips the haters; says WNBA players that don't support her are petty.

There's a WNBA?

Nailed it

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Caitlin Clark is popular because she is one of the best college basketball players ever to play, good looking, and friendly to the public. I don't care what color you are if you put those three things together you have a star. Angel Reese isn't popular because the persona she has chosen to use is mean. In all my years of leadership positions no one has ever followed victims, anger, or arrogance. This country is what MLK asked for all those years ago…character over color and now that it's here so many want to be known for their color. Begs the question "is it because they don't want to be judged by their character because it's lacking?"

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Man, she is NOT good looking. She is flat out average. If you are calling her good looking comparatively speaking to everyone else in the WNBA because you don't find black women attractive...then ok?

Sorry to be a dick about this but I'm just sort of baffled at the repeated claims that she is good looking.

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There's a WNBA?

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It is obviously a TV or Radio station East of the Mississippi.

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She is not attractive, it's just a matter of time before she goes bi.

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Most of them go bi because of the social pressure to conform for acceptance in the wake of years of rejection by the opposite gender. Don't think that is the case for Cait, who could have a never ending sea of D from actual alphas pursuing her.

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Not sure why; she's a solid 4-5.

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When 70% of American are overweight or obese, 4-5 is a tragically low number (unless living in L.A.). She's a solid 7.

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She is not attractive, it's just a matter of time before she goes bi.

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Most of them go bi because of the social pressure to conform for acceptance in the wake of years of rejection by the opposite gender. Don't think that is the case for Cait, who could have a never ending sea of D from actual alphas pursuing her.

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Not sure why; she's a solid 4-5.

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When 70% of American are overweight or obese, 4-5 is a tragically low number (unless living in L.A.). She's a solid 7.

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I don't grade good looks on a curve. 7 is absurd.

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Most of them go bi because of the social pressure to conform for acceptance in the wake of years of rejection by the opposite gender. Don't think that is the case for Cait, who could have a never ending sea of D from actual alphas pursuing her.

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Not sure why; she's a solid 4-5.

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When 70% of American are overweight or obese, 4-5 is a tragically low number (unless living in L.A.). She's a solid 7.

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I don't grade good looks on a curve. 7 is absurd.

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I grade on a percentile. 7+ easy. Line up 100 Americans her age and how many would you rather date?? 10? Maybe 15?? 20 at the most. Keep in mind 70 of them are on the big side.

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She's not hideous, but she's a 5. Maybe a 6 after the same number of beers.

Reese was an embarrassment to the NCAA, now she's an embarrassment to the WNBA.

She knows she can say vile things and then cry racism. The way the left, players and espn reporters are treating Caitlin is disgusting.

They're jealous.

Angel Reese deleted her tweet attacking Caitlin Clark.

Clark made the WNBA relevant for the first time ever, and all anyone does is try to tear her down. pic.twitter.com/xGxC7vQ8ny

— David Hookstead (@dhookstead) May 24, 2024

Everyone has their own standard of beauty. One man's 4-5 is another man's 8 or 9.

Anyway, I'd say 5, probably a 6 or so if she was made up nice. Most photos of her are simply not very good and she's trying to do the tough chick look, or they're on the court photos. I've a few where she looks nice and more girly.

However, she'll probably end up being a far better wife than some 9 or 10 super hot chick.

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The intrigue around Caitlin Clark is the same intrigue everyone had when Steph Curry took the league by storm. No other woman plays like her...period. And it is super fun to watch because she pulls up for shots that you would never expect her (or literally any other female player in the world) to take. She makes great passes that very few women can make. She isn't super tall or crazy athletic...she has just worked very hard to fine tune some of the most important (and flashy) skills on a basketball court...shooting and passing. Griner isn't fun or flashy to watch. Same with most other top female players. Sabrina Ionescu got a ton of attention too and went 1st overall because her game was very well rounded...she is fun to watch but still a tier down. She was a career 18 ppg scorer in college with fewer assists than Clark. Caitlin over a 4 year period averaged almost 30 points, over 8 assists, over 7 rebounds, and a couple of steals per game...and shot 46% from the field and 86% from the line. She is an exceptional and generational talent. And an intense competitor.

I am not shocked that race is being brought up but it seems crazy to me in the basketball world. Jordan, Magic, Lebron, Kobe, Steph, etc. are all beloved NBA guys. It isn't as if the world won't embrace a black basketball player. Likewise, people appreciate Bird, Dirk, Luka, and Jokic's greatness too...not because they are white but because they are incredible basketball players.

It would be one thing if there was literally a single WNBA player like Clark...but there just isn't. She is making everyone in that league more money and the other women should be thankful for the eyeballs she bringing to the women's game. But jealousy and envy are ruling the day right now!

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Post of the day. Magic, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Steph......they had no problem becoming the face of the NBA. Just more race baiting by liberal idiots.

Love Caitlin Clark!

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Not sure why; she's a solid 4-5.

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When 70% of American are overweight or obese, 4-5 is a tragically low number (unless living in L.A.). She's a solid 7.

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I don't grade good looks on a curve. 7 is absurd.

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I grade on a percentile. 7+ easy. Line up 100 Americans her age and how many would you rather date?? 10? Maybe 15?? 20 at the most. Keep in mind 70 of them are on the big side.

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She wouldn't make the cut in the 100 because she's not remotely a 7. Not even close. Beauty isn't a bell curve.

In any group of 100 there might be 50 pretty girls or 1.

But to each their own.

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Most of them go bi because of the social pressure to conform for acceptance in the wake of years of rejection by the opposite gender. Don't think that is the case for Cait, who could have a never ending sea of D from actual alphas pursuing her.

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Not sure why; she's a solid 4-5.

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When 70% of American are overweight or obese, 4-5 is a tragically low number (unless living in L.A.). She's a solid 7.

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I don't grade good looks on a curve. 7 is absurd.

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I grade on a percentile. 7+ easy. Line up 100 Americans her age and how many would you rather date?? 10? Maybe 15?? 20 at the most. Keep in mind 70 of them are on the big side.

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She wouldn't make the cut in the 100 because she's not remotely a 7. Not even close. Beauty isn't a bell curve.

In any group of 100 there might be 50 pretty girls or 1.

But to each their own.

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The fact of the matter is that most on this board would not seek out a Caitlyn Clark look a like. She's just not attractive.

In my opinion this is a plus for her. The fact that people are focused on appreciating her prowess versus her looks is supposed to be what feminists everywhere are shooting for. She's a 4. She's also good at her job.

Problem is her job is being good at women's basketball. And no-one gives a crap about women's basketball. And as many have pointed out, women's basketball seems unwilling to let a white person bring any focus to their sport, so people will go on not giving a crap. And rightfully so.

Incredible that there's a 5 page thread centered around the question of why people like the Michael Jordan of straight white girls.

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However, she'll probably end up being a far better wife than some 9 or 10 super hot chick.

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Yeah, because being a 22 year old with eff you money is surely the best foundation for a long and stable marriage. It's not like someone like that would ever decide to do the cabana boy, because they can.

Just look at Hollywood marriages: built to last!

and that is the entire problem with women's basketball

Cameron Brink was the second player in the draft- and 12 year old boys have more muscular arms than she does!

I would bet many elderly men in Del Boca Vista could beat her in every strength metric.