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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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eric76 said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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What is classified about a carrier is going to launch f18s and use drones and tomahawk missiles? This is all publicly available info as far as assets on a carrier. The timing info is useless without target or location. Should the journo be in the group? No. That is the only issue. The click baity "war plans" talking point was so gleefully spread that it kills this story.

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Imagine what we could have done with that knowledge on December 7, 1941.

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December 7, 1941 was the date of the Japanese attack against Pearl Harbor. I'm surprised that you don't seem to know that.

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They had that knowledge on December 7th. First thing in the morning.

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Haven't read through 19 pages and don't believe any specifics I could read online.

Just going to mention that every administration "leaks" "intelligence" to the media.

I have personally seen top secret intel reported up through the proper channels to the white house, only to read about it in a "leak" to newsweek, two weeks later.

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That's why the theory that the "stupidity" was deliberate actually had (may still) have some credence.

Let's recall it was never figured out HOW leaks were occuring in the 45 admin to set up the "RussiaRussiaRussia" and Dossier lawfare ambush. We may have just gotten a hint of how some of it occurred. Where it gets interesting is what you say -- -did this have a purpose, rather than being an accident. Its still too early to say.

Notice the continuity between administrations seems to be confirmed too. The recommendation part would at least partly exonerate those coming at it from a neutral or trusting naive point of view in the staff.

Also it must be borne in mind what can be fairly certain is the bad intent of the MSM toward almost anything about this administration. They have made it clear with their gaslighting. So even a mistake is not described the same way if such it was.

The other thing to watch our for is what rosco511 pointed out:

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And had this happened to them under the Biden admin (and who knows if it did), they would have done exactly as mentioned here and would have never said a word about it. I am glad they made it public so that things can get corrected so do not really view this as a political issue because we all know government screws up all the time (and often with no real recourse, which is why a lot of us want less government), but the reason they made it public was solely for political purposes and would have never made it public had their party been the culprit.

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It can't be doubted for a moment that's the case.

But it doesn't change the slackjaw carelessness of the error IF it was as it appears. Some CYA rather than owning up to seems present -- but again, that is not determined yet. We are at the mercy of descriptions and certain assumptions about the app's capabilities and the setup being used.

Still way too early in a classic MSM-seeks-to-sandbag-GOP-admin cycle about -- anything --- to know what exactly occurred.

eric76 said:

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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eric76 said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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What is classified about a carrier is going to launch f18s and use drones and tomahawk missiles? This is all publicly available info as far as assets on a carrier. The timing info is useless without target or location. Should the journo be in the group? No. That is the only issue. The click baity "war plans" talking point was so gleefully spread that it kills this story.

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Imagine what we could have done with that knowledge on December 7, 1941.

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December 7, 1941 was the date of the Japanese attack against Pearl Harbor. I'm surprised that you don't seem to know that.

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Well why don't we go back to the start of the Revolutionary War. Goldberg can play the part of Paul Revere.

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It happens all the time. I have contacts on my phone that I've never talked to before in my life, but they were on my wife's phone from 10 years ago. This is just a desperate attempt at a "gotcha", and really the first one of this administration that isn't clinging on to a loser of a position like not deporting gang killers or forcing men into womens sports.

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Ah yes...a common feature of the Samsung Number Sucker 2000.

You might have numbers from a group text, for example, but they're not in your contacts unless you put them there.

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It happens all the time. I have contacts on my phone that I've never talked to before in my life, but they were on my wife's phone from 10 years ago. This is just a desperate attempt at a "gotcha", and really the first one of this administration that isn't clinging on to a loser of a position like not deporting gang killers or forcing men into womens sports.

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From time to time, I wipe my phone if I see anything odd on it. Considering the smash in screen on the bottom left-hand corner, I may just replace it next time. If not for that, I'd be looking at wiping it and reinstalling everything again -- this time to get rid of some app that I don't want, am highly suspicious of, and can't figure out how to shut it down.

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No locations.

No sources & methods.

NO WAR PLANS.

Foreign partners had already been notified that strikes were imminent.

BOTTOM LINE: President Trump is protecting America and our interests.

— Mike Waltz (@MikeWaltz47) March 26, 2025

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No war plans?



Then what label are we making-up for this gem?

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There is no location mentioned at all. Just give it up. This is a nothing-burger. You are so desperate.

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You don't believe the fact that we know where a target terrorist will be at a certain time should be kept secret? Someone who has a bullseye on his chest is just going to sit still and wait for a bomb to fall on his head if he knows when an attack is coming? Come on now.

My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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No war plans?

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Then what label are we making-up for this gem?

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Not technically a "War Plan" as much as a strategic strike against an undefined target.

Now, if it had stated we would be attacking the Pas de Calais on June 6, 1944, at H-Hour 0630 hours with elements of the 29th and 1st Divisions, with diversionary air drops at the Merville Battery and the Orne River Bridge, aka Pegusus, then that would be considered specific war plans

Semantic arguments are so much fun.

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Houston Lee said:

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rgvag11 said:

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No locations.

No sources & methods.

NO WAR PLANS.

Foreign partners had already been notified that strikes were imminent.

BOTTOM LINE: President Trump is protecting America and our interests.

— Mike Waltz (@MikeWaltz47) March 26, 2025

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No war plans?



Then what label are we making-up for this gem?

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There is no location mentioned at all. Just give it up. This is a nothing-burger. You are so desperate.

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You don't believe the fact that we know where a target terrorist will be at a certain time should be kept secret? Someone who has a bullseye on his chest is just going to sit still and wait for a bomb to fall on his head if he knows when an attack is coming? Come on now.

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Here's what is bothering me about this - everyone involved in the Signal fiasco apparently distrusts/dislikes/hates Goldberg. Why would anyone have his phone number in the first place? Was the anonymous staffer a resistance plant?

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That was was wondering too -- recall, how 45 admin was compromised on such an ongoing basis has remained unresolved. Your idea is one have in the upper tier of possibitlies --- however, since the nature of Signal and its difference from some phone apps has been explained -- that it goes by initials and doesn't show info like the number --- a `JG' tag type error at least becomes explicable as genuinely a wrong `tab' kind of screw up.

American Radar Operators detected large formations of planes coming towards Oahu but the LT on duty believed they were B-17s scheduled to come in from San Francisco

US Destroyers had also chased down Jap mini subs earlier in the morning and brought one to the surface but did not raise a warning.

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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You seem VERY upset about all of this. Why do you think that is? Because this has very little to do with your daily life, does it?

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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Quibble with your post... There was no targets, nor armaments discussed.

We see what type of planes and when they would get airborne, and the desired time for bombs to be dropped by the UAVs and F18s.

ABATTBQ87 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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will25u said:

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No war plans?

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Then what label are we making-up for this gem?

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Not technically a "War Plan" as much as a strategic strike against an undefined target.

Now, if it had stated we would be attacking the Pas de Calais on June 6, 1944, at H-Hour 0630 hours with elements of the 29th and 1st Divisions, with diversionary air drops at the Merville Battery and the Orne River Bridge, aka Pegusus, then that would be considered specific war plans

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I think of War Plans as being strategic and this one as being more tactical. It's still important, though.

But, but... WAR PLANS!!!

This is embarrassing enough that will be surprised if someone isn't fired over it. At least a staffer or two. Gotta imagine a bum inch of Trump's inner circle are pissed.

Sid Farkas said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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Wow. I never saw all caps like that from a cm or lib when 13 actual people died in a botched retreat from Afghanistan.

You need cred brah.

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Wait, so if I agree that Afghanistan was a botch, you'll admit that this was a collosal **** up? Because, unlike most people on this website, I'm not infatuated with a politican to the point I believe anything he touches is gold.

This is a national security concern; American lives could've been at risk, and if this has little to do with your daily life, then why spend your time arguing it?

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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Wow. I never saw all caps like that from a cm or lib when 13 actual people died in a botched retreat from Afghanistan.

You need cred brah.

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Wait, so if I agree that Afghanistan was a botch, you'll admit that this was a collosal **** up? Because, unlike most people on this website, I'm not infatuated with a politican to the point I believe anything he touches is gold.

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They're not even close to the same there, pal...neither is conveniently retroactive outrage

Anonymous Source said:

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Laura Ingraham couldn't wrap her mind around how the Atlantic reporter's number ended up on Michael Waltz's phone.

"But you've never talked to him [Jeffrey Goldberg] before, so how's the number on your phone?"

Waltz: "Well, if you have somebody else's contact and then somehow… pic.twitter.com/PM8faF0ipt

— George (@BehizyTweets) March 25, 2025

These people aren't even any good at being completely full of *****

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POTD!

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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Glad you mentioned that. From a historical point of view this `leak' is a golden glimpse into this particular admin's Executive process, and it actually looks very good. So what it reveals about the how decisions are made is encouraging and looks rational. That's a big deal.

So what really is the issue is a certain breach and if idiocy or something more than that was involved.
Especially in the digital comm age its very easy to fall prey to the ever moving target of security with such technology. Its not for the topmost guy to understand the equivalents of the intricacies of just which type of radar or exploder primer to put on ordnance. That's what competent subordinates specialized in it are suppose to get right. Which is to say its not clear how much is directly on Waltz other than the basic idea of final responsibility. If the prior admin recommended this, depending how much those on the inside really, really do distrust everyone before as plotter (clearly they don't and that trend is very recent in our history to have to doubt everything the prior admin passes on) -- can see why it wasn't immediately transformed. Another thing -- that no one seems to have known him in a contact sense, does make the idea a staffer may have deliberately added as an `insider' leak is not all that crazy and would check many of the boxes seeing.

Bu

I doubt most Americans will see the distinction.

aginlakeway said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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You seem VERY upset about all of this. Why do you think that is? Because this has very little to do with your daily life, does it?

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If I search your posts, I won't see you post about anything that doesn't impact your daily life? You only discuss matters that affect you personally?

Sid Farkas said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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Wow. I never saw all caps like that from a cm or lib when 13 actual people died in a botched retreat from Afghanistan.

You need cred brah.

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Wait, so if I agree that Afghanistan was a botch, you'll admit that this was a collosal **** up? Because, unlike most people on this website, I'm not infatuated with a politican to the point I believe anything he touches is gold.

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They're not even close to the same there, pal...neither is convenient, retroactive outrage

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Wait, but that's not what you said. You didn't stipulate that they were equal, only that I must have outrage for 1 before the other. I'm giving you what you wanted in fair exchange for your acknowledgment of this disaster. Are you reneging?

I hope the houthis had a few hours to get their affairs in order before rolling thunder hit.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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You seem VERY upset about all of this. Why do you think that is? Because this has very little to do with your daily life, does it?

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If I search your posts, I won't see you post about anything that doesn't impact your daily life? You only discuss matters that affect you personally?

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You're more enraged about this than anything I've commented on in decades on TexAgs. Why?

TheRealJacob said:

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This is a national security concern; American lives could've been at risk, and if this has little to do with your daily life, then why spend your time arguing it?

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I'm not arguing. I was simply asking why that poster was so upset about this. Maybe you can help me understand.

American lives could've have been at risk, or they were at risk?

What's your suggestion for a end result here? What do you think needs to happen?

rgvag11 said:

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I doubt most Americans will see the distinction.

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I doubt most Americans will even care. We have one of the most disengaged modern societies and unless it impacts them directly, it doesn't really move the needle.

We all care because we are engaged and passionate one way or another. We do not represent the intellectual engagement of citizens in this country.

rgvag11 said:

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I doubt most Americans will see the distinction.

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That's why we're lucky to have so many experts here to explain the truth to us.