High level officials accidentally include Atlantic editor in group chat

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In reply to TOUCHDOWN! • 4:46p, 3/24/25
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TOUCHDOWN! said:


So this is all the fault of The Atlantic? We shouldn't hold our leaders accountable for failing to implement and abide by controls to ensure highly classified military information isn't sent to random phone numbers? The press doesn't have an obligation to report on the incompetence of our government?

Wild. The right would be turning this into Benghazi 2.0 if it happened under Obama or Biden.


Get back to us when this CF gets an ambassador and two servicemen killed and paraded thru streets in another country.
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4:51p, 3/24/25
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Both the invite and the dissemination of the information should be criticized. However the latter is a willful act, which makes it worse in my opinion.

My other question is why would The Atlantic's editor even be among their contacts? The first contact they accidentally grab happens to be an opposition media source?
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4:52p, 3/24/25
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 4:52p, 3/24/25
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Bunk Moreland said:
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B. The journalist should not have remained silent during the conversations, and then published the details. That wasn't required to make anyone be held accountable. Doing that is obviously an entirely different motivation.

Why not? Do you understand journalism at all? This is a MAJOR story.

No journalist, even in Prosperdick's pretend world he lives in instead of reality, would just sit on a story like this. The dude was added in to literally the highest level of government discussion about military operations outside of the President himself. Doesn't matter if it was a R or D, every journalist who was in this person's position would at a minimum do what this one did. Unfortunately many others would have acted a lot more heinously with it. Thankfully he did not.

It's a story the public absolutely deserves to know. You should want to know this happened.
Pretend world my ass. If you think the liberal media wouldn't cover this up and much worse you are living in fantasy land.

I suppose you think that journalists just didn't have enough proof to show the man in the most powerful position in the world was mentally compromised. Go sell crazy somewhere else.
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In reply to Less Evil Hank Scorpio • 4:53p, 3/24/25
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In reply to titan • 4:53p, 3/24/25
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titan said:

Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
It wouldn't have happened under a Democrat either. This is a colossal blunder, but this editor and reporter did not have the decency to put their country in front of a mistake.
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In reply to TOUCHDOWN! • 4:53p, 3/24/25
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TOUCHDOWN! said:
And of course Trump's response is to deflect any responsibility and attack The Atlantic.

"I'm not a big fan of the Atlantic. It's, to me, it's a magazine that's going out of business. I think it's not much of a magazine. But I know nothing about [the Goldberg article]."



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In reply to Actual Talking Thermos • 4:54p, 3/24/25
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Actual Talking Thermos said:
titan said:

Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
If you read the article he makes it clear he left a lot out because he didn't want to compromise active intelligence agents or future war plans
He should've left it all out.
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In reply to annie88 • 4:54p, 3/24/25
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titan said:

Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
It wouldn't have happened under a Democrat either. This is a colossal blunder, but this editor and reporter did not have the decency to put their country in front of a mistake.

LMFAO y'all are hilarious.

I bet you see Harry Sisson and the Krapenstein brothers when you look in the mirror at night.
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4:57p, 3/24/25
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He should have chimed in when they were discussing with the media impact point of view, then said "what? I thought that's why you invited me" with the newspaper and shrug emoji
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4:57p, 3/24/25
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Intentional "accident."
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In reply to usmcbrooks • 4:57p, 3/24/25
What point are you trying to make? Does the journalist have a secret clearance? The person who had the clearance and was stupid enough to add someone that shouldn't have been included is the problem. Someone who is part of the decision making in bombing a country should be held to a higher standard than the journalist.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 5:00p, 3/24/25
I was mostly addressing the posters like usmcbrooks who put all the blame on the journalist
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In reply to Prosperdick • 5:02p, 3/24/25
crapping on sleepy Joe as some sort of cope for how bad this blunder is an interesting strategy
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In reply to usmcbrooks • 5:03p, 3/24/25
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usmcbrooks said:
Signal is a free, open-source, privacy-focused messaging app that uses end-to-end encryption to secure communications, ensuring only the sender and recipient can read messages.

Not exactly a private unclass server in the bathroom of a mom-and-pop general store.
The use of Signal is insane. Where is the zero trust architecture? How do you set clearance levels for a chat? Who authenticates whether someone is cleared for SCI or SAP access?
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5:04p, 3/24/25
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The smartest thing George w bush ever did was refuse to use email so there wouldn't be issues and no way to read them years later.

Text messaging should be the same.
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In reply to AtticusMatlock • 5:04p, 3/24/25
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AtticusMatlock said:
Apparently VP Vance, Hegseth, and other top officials were discussing potential strikes on Houthi positions via the Signal app. The only problem was they accidentally included the editor of The Atlantic in their group chat. National Security advisor Mike Waltz apparently made the error in inviting him to the group. Screenshots have now been posted.



Heads need to roll over this. Absolutely insane opsec here.
I think Waltz should be censured by Trump and made to sing "We shall overcome" while Trump reads off his censure. Then, I think Waltz should have to take a lap around the White House before retaking the reigns of his job as Nat Sec Advisor.
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In reply to DonHenley • 5:05p, 3/24/25
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This was really stupid. If this Kamala and the last admin, people would be going nuts on this forum over this


This could be said for every story coming out of this joke of an admin. That's not a partisan statement either. Complete incompetence, top to bottom.
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In reply to TOUCHDOWN! • 5:06p, 3/24/25
TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!

That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?


I dont know, ask Hillary.
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In reply to Less Evil Hank Scorpio • 5:08p, 3/24/25
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usmcbrooks said:
He invited the journalist in error.
Senior officials committing errors of this magnitude deserve consequences. I agree it was almost certainly an error, but that doesn't mean Waltz should be absolved. "Oopsie" is not an excuse.
This, whatever dumbass invited them needs to be fired, probably an aid or something.

And how about they Fing double and triple check who is on next time.

And I am one of the biggest Trump supporters on here. That was a dumbass mistake on his administration and heads need to roll for it. Dumbass mistake that hopefully does not happen again.
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In reply to ETFan • 5:08p, 3/24/25
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DonHenley said:
This was really stupid. If this Kamala and the last admin, people would be going nuts on this forum over this


This could be said for every story coming out of this joke of an admin. That's not a partisan statement either. Complete incompetence, top to bottom.

I actually think the substance of the conversation was positive and showed good group communication, respectfully disagreeing and everyone being open to various angles of a tough decision/subject. So on that front it's refreshing.

Using an app like Signal to discuss classified NSI, + adding a journalist to it by mistake is a whole other can of worms.
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5:09p, 3/24/25
hilariously ironic for hegseth to say "we are currently clean on OPSEC" in this group chat.

it's almost like there's a reason we don't plan military activities over signal! pre trump this would have been a scandal so egregious that everyone involved would resign or be fired.
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In reply to Less Evil Hank Scorpio • 5:10p, 3/24/25
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GarlandAg2012 said:
NE PA Ag said:
An honorable person would have quickly realized they were invited in error and exited the chat. They certainly wouldn't be publicizing anything about it, but journalists, especially of the left wing variety, aren't honorable people.
That "honorable person" paves the way for continued incompetence that may actually get Americans hurt or killed in the future. If senior leadership isn't held accountable for being so reckless, this kind of crap can and will happen again.

We should be glad that the journalist is an actual honorable person who took the personal risk to raise the alarm about this without jeopardizing the operation/security of our armed forces. Public scrutiny is the most powerful tool we have as Americans when it comes to keeping our government in check.



Has it occurred to you that "exiting the chat" might involve informing the others of the error?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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In reply to 2026NCAggies • 5:11p, 3/24/25
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2023NCAggies said:
GarlandAg2012 said:
usmcbrooks said:
He invited the journalist in error.
Senior officials committing errors of this magnitude deserve consequences. I agree it was almost certainly an error, but that doesn't mean Waltz should be absolved. "Oopsie" is not an excuse.
This, whatever dumbass invited them needs to be fired, probably an aid or something.

And how about they Fing double and triple check who is on next time.

And I am one of the biggest Trump supporters on here. That was a dumbass mistake on his administration and heads need to roll for it. Dumbass mistake that hopefully does not happen again.


Agreed. Someone needs to be fired for this. This is inexcusable
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In reply to lb3 • 5:11p, 3/24/25
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usmcbrooks said:
Signal is a free, open-source, privacy-focused messaging app that uses end-to-end encryption to secure communications, ensuring only the sender and recipient can read messages.

Not exactly a private unclass server in the bathroom of a mom-and-pop general store.
The use of Signal is insane. Where is the zero trust architecture? How do you set clearance levels for a chat? Who authenticates whether someone is cleared for SCI or SAP access?


This admin doesn't need opsec, infosec, checks, balances, all that stupid mumbo jumbo. Zero trust? More like zero balls! Just own the libs and win buddy!!!


I'm not trolling. This is where we're at. Folks won't even step back and go "yep, that's a huge **** up". Nope.

To tell if you're captured, if your first thought was "how can I spin this on the publisher, journalist, or an uninvolved politician", you're in too deep.
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5:16p, 3/24/25
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Someone needs to lose their job over this as this is inexcusable and to show that serious incompetence will not be tolerated. Some mistakes are worse than others. Sorry but your mistake was indefensible and you're fired. Good luck.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 5:16p, 3/24/25
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titan said:
Actual Talking Thermos said:
titan said:

Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
If you read the article he makes it clear he left a lot out because he didn't want to compromise active intelligence agents or future war plans
No need for editor to mention the slip at all publicly, any part of it. The slightest thing can reveal something. Because some things overlap, once in a blue moon have been copied something a bit above my level. I treated it in opsec fashion as it deserved.


If it were a different admin and they did what you're saying, you'd be screaming about collusion and covering up incompetency.
About straight-forward military ops? No I wouldn't be. I already said it would have been wrong with Biden's SecDef.

The key here is SecDEF. NOT SecInterior or something political, or even Presidential laundry. Where strike operations are concerned you err on the side of non-propagation of info. Even after they have recently taken place, because the context behind them may not have changed much.
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5:18p, 3/24/25
People need to understand this is how Trump negotiates.
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5:23p, 3/24/25
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Every Fed I know uses signal as their go to app to talk *****

Now if I know that most of the government is on this app, do you think the Chinese might know that?
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5:28p, 3/24/25
honestly thank goodness this happened to a journalist who reported on it responsibly, at least this will hopefully result in improvements to the trump admin's dog**** opsec. hopefully this is a one-off screw up and not commonplace.
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In reply to DonHenley • 5:36p, 3/24/25
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DonHenley said:
crapping on sleepy Joe as some sort of cope for how bad this blunder is an interesting strategy
My comment was that the leftist media would absolutely cover this up and worse as evidence by their silence during sleepy Joe's four years. That was my point and not some "cope."

Did you not read any of the Wikileaks e-mail dump? Media outlets were providing FULL editorial control to Podesta and Hillary...here's the story, feel free to take out whatever you'd like.

If you think the legacy media would go full bore after a Democrat I've got some nice oceanfront property in Arizona for you.

As for the blunder by Waltz, there is no defending what he did but we would never know about it if it occurred during a Democrat administration.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 5:39p, 3/24/25
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Sleepy Joe and Kamala didn't have the mental capacity to be in a position to speak on topics such as this.

So the entire 'gotcha' speak from the left needs to sit this one out.
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5:44p, 3/24/25
Clown Show. If a private did this with classified info, they would be given an article and probably separated from the military.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 5:48p, 3/24/25
Old McDonald said:
hilariously ironic for hegseth to say "we are currently clean on OPSEC" in this group chat.

it's almost like there's a reason we don't plan military activities over signal! pre trump this would have been a scandal so egregious that everyone involved would resign or be fired.


LMAO

Not one person would have been fired in the Obama or Biden admin.

Bathroom server. No one fired.

Hillary got four Americans, including her diplomat, killed in Benghazi and not a damn thing happened.

Holder was running guns to the cartels down in Mexico without the knowledge of the Mexican government. Not a damn thing.

Cocaine was found in the West Wing under Biden. Not a damn thing happened.

Biden as VP was using three different aliases to communicate government biz in Google email: Robert L. Peters," "Robin Ware," and "JRB Ware".

Biden was a brain dead vegetable who was not running the executive branch. That's the biggest scandal in the history of the nation. Not a damn thing.

I can post 1000 examples.

This would have been a big "oops, sorry about that" and swept under the rug. But we would never have known about it because Regime Media are in bed with the Dems.
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5:49p, 3/24/25
Embarrassing oversight by Mike Waltz. The reality is all sides in DC use Signal. The gloating cheerleaders of the Washington Consensus here are kidding themselves if they think the Biden NSC wasn't using Signal for much the same type of comms.

These are political appointees and in Vantz's case officeholders, not mere mortal GS employees or contractors who have to work in a SCIF. They do whatever they want, holds true for both parties.
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