Of course other administrations were a train wreck, but can we not admit this one is a train wreck as well?
High level officials accidentally include Atlantic editor in group chat
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Of course it is. Our optimates had become so corrupt and disconnected from the interest of the much despised peasants of the interior that the only available recourse was to elect a narcissistic boomer reality tv star. Then, instead of demonstrating any introspection after the first time, they doubled down and became even more unhinged and overt in their hatred for their supposed lessers. They have only themselves to blame.cslifer said:
Of course other administrations were a train wreck, but can we not admit this one is a train wreck as well?
Fake news
Thank you for everything you have posted.
I found it very informative. More than any press reporting.
Your 31 years of service is even more impressive. Bravo!
I found it very informative. More than any press reporting.
Your 31 years of service is even more impressive. Bravo!
TOUCHDOWN! said:
So this is all the fault of The Atlantic? We shouldn't hold our leaders accountable for failing to implement and abide by controls to ensure highly classified military information isn't sent to random phone numbers? The press doesn't have an obligation to report on the incompetence of our government?
Wild. The right would be turning this into Benghazi 2.0 if it happened under Obama or Biden.
Interesting comparison. Are you referring to the meeting between Hilldawg and her staff when they were discussing the political ramifications to Hilldawg's presidential aspirations WHILE Americans, including the ambassador, were being murdered because SHE failed to protect them.
Oh the irony.
Well, we've found the next topic for my raging Lib FB friends to get excited about.
It's hilarious how many of them are broadcasting this story so quickly.
Hillary's Email and the fake Benghazi video - crickets
It's hilarious how many of them are broadcasting this story so quickly.
Hillary's Email and the fake Benghazi video - crickets
cslifer said:
Of course other administrations were a train wreck, but can we not admit this one is a train wreck as well?
Train wreck? No.
Everything done thus far has been outstanding. This is the first unforced error.
B-1 83 said:GarlandAg2012 said:That "honorable person" paves the way for continued incompetence that may actually get Americans hurt or killed in the future. If senior leadership isn't held accountable for being so reckless, this kind of crap can and will happen again.NE PA Ag said:
An honorable person would have quickly realized they were invited in error and exited the chat. They certainly wouldn't be publicizing anything about it, but journalists, especially of the left wing variety, aren't honorable people.
We should be glad that the journalist is an actual honorable person who took the personal risk to raise the alarm about this without jeopardizing the operation/security of our armed forces. Public scrutiny is the most powerful tool we have as Americans when it comes to keeping our government in check.
Has it occurred to you that "exiting the chat" might involve informing the others of the error?
Did no one in the group wonder WTF is this other guy in the group?
GarlandAg2012 said:That "honorable person" paves the way for continued incompetence that may actually get Americans hurt or killed in the future. If senior leadership isn't held accountable for being so reckless, this kind of crap can and will happen again.NE PA Ag said:
An honorable person would have quickly realized they were invited in error and exited the chat. They certainly wouldn't be publicizing anything about it, but journalists, especially of the left wing variety, aren't honorable people.
We should be glad that the journalist is an actual honorable person who took the personal risk to raise the alarm about this without jeopardizing the operation/security of our armed forces. Public scrutiny is the most powerful tool we have as Americans when it comes to keeping our government in check.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
black belt whataboutism post here, truly impressive work
Old McDonald said:
black belt whataboutism post here, truly impressive work
Uh, no.
You made a claim about PREVIOUS admins and how they would have obviously responded here.
I just posted previous admin **** ups to show that your claim is bull*****
This is worth considering too. Is this a normal setup or a product of use of Signel? By normal, mean is this a carry-over from the Biden circle of contacts/addressees? * That would be interesting if so.96AgGrad said:
Both the invite and the dissemination of the information should be criticized. However the latter is a willful act, which makes it worse in my opinion.
My other question is why would The Atlantic's editor even be among their contacts? The first contact they accidentally grab happens to be an opposition media source?
So in the process or chewing out and punishing the "spilling" side of the equation rather ire at the editor, this needs to be looked at closer. How it came about.
* It is possible the list uses the positions, titles, not the names of the individuals.
A blunder on a meeting invite is somehow drawing false equivalency to examples of the Biden administration's incompetence, which were in many cases top-to-bottom failures of every level of government. Covid mismanagement, federal disaster responses, and the Afghanistan pull-out all come to mind immediately, but there were far more.
This is a black eye, but it doesn't balance the scale. Not even close.
This is a black eye, but it doesn't balance the scale. Not even close.
So, wait.....Biden administration INTENTIONALLY leaks classified intelligence and that's okay, but NOW we have them for an accident? GTFOQuote:
Heads need to roll over this. Absolutely insane opsec here.
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“Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.”
- George Bernard Shaw
“Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.”
- George Bernard Shaw
Logos Stick said:cslifer said:
Of course other administrations were a train wreck, but can we not admit this one is a train wreck as well?
Train wreck? No.
Oh this is absolutely a train wreck, let's not try and pretend otherwise.
Everything done thus far has been outstanding. This is the first unforced error.
also notable that trump was apparently in the dark about this. goldberg left the chat ten days ago which would have notified the rest of the group he was in there. they had to have known this would come out, yet trump clearly had no idea when asked about it today.
why keep military activity opsec breaches from the commander in chief? is trump actually clueless or lying? who's really in charge here?
why keep military activity opsec breaches from the commander in chief? is trump actually clueless or lying? who's really in charge here?
Sounds a lot like sabotage...and treason. Enjoy the schadenfreude.Old McDonald said:
also notable that trump was apparently in the dark about this. goldberg left the chat ten days ago which would have notified the rest of the group he was in there. they had to have known this would come out, yet trump clearly had no idea when asked about it today.
why keep military activity opsec breaches from the commander in chief? who's really in charge here?
________________________________________________________
“Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.”
- George Bernard Shaw
“Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.”
- George Bernard Shaw
Old McDonald said:
also notable that trump was apparently in the dark about this. goldberg left the chat ten days ago which would have notified the rest of the group he was in there. they had to have known this would come out, yet trump clearly had no idea when asked about it today.
why keep military activity opsec breaches from the commander in chief? is trump actually clueless or lying? who's really in charge here?
Plausible deniability.
titan said:
You are trying too much to make it partisan. An editor receiving such a communique by mistake from Biden's SecDef shouldn't post screenshots either. For the reasons usmcbrooks pointed out. It reveals things. Just notify those who need to know of the snafu so they can correct.
There are a lot of scandals that ended 1,000x worse because people decided to "handle it quietly / internally" instead of sanitizing with sunlight.
This is blocking and tacking 101 of communication, heads need to roll!!
Terrible mistake, if true.
The leftists crawling out of the woodwork remind me of so many fake stories during the first Trump administration.
The leftists crawling out of the woodwork remind me of so many fake stories during the first Trump administration.
From the NY Post article.Quote:
Did no one in the group wonder WTF is this other guy in the group?
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Goldberg claimed that he was signed into the chat with just his initials "JG," suggesting Waltz or a subordinate had mistaken his Signal info for that of Jamieson Greer the US Trade Representative who often attends National Security Council meetings.
Calling Elon! Pick up the white courtesy phone, please! Or Erik Prince?
This day and age no secure communications? Really?
This day and age no secure communications? Really?
aggiehawg said:
Calling Elon! Pick up the white courtesy phone, please! Or Erik Prince?
This day and age no secure communications? Really?
There are secure communications but not if top level politicians are discussing classified national security info on their personal devices
Can we agree that the word treason is used way too often on this site.
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the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
hegseth was questioned on the tarmac in hawaii about this an hour ago and notably didn't comment on the veracity of the atlantic's reporting, instead going after goldberg by calling him a "deceitful, discredited so-called journalist" which is weird because
1) brian hughes, spokesman for the national security council, confirmed the breach and
2) if hegseth is right about goldberg, why did he get invited to this chat to begin with?
1) brian hughes, spokesman for the national security council, confirmed the breach and
2) if hegseth is right about goldberg, why did he get invited to this chat to begin with?
FishrCoAg said:B-1 83 said:GarlandAg2012 said:That "honorable person" paves the way for continued incompetence that may actually get Americans hurt or killed in the future. If senior leadership isn't held accountable for being so reckless, this kind of crap can and will happen again.NE PA Ag said:
An honorable person would have quickly realized they were invited in error and exited the chat. They certainly wouldn't be publicizing anything about it, but journalists, especially of the left wing variety, aren't honorable people.
We should be glad that the journalist is an actual honorable person who took the personal risk to raise the alarm about this without jeopardizing the operation/security of our armed forces. Public scrutiny is the most powerful tool we have as Americans when it comes to keeping our government in check.
Has it occurred to you that "exiting the chat" might involve informing the others of the error?
Did no one in the group wonder WTF is this other guy in the group?
This is my question, too. I've never used Signal, but I know on group texts I can see who all is on it. Does Signal not also show all parties on the chat?
Hegseth laid the blame at the foot of the journalist who brought transparency to the people. Spineless coward. Accept your mistake.
Old McDonald said:
black belt whataboutism post here, truly impressive work
11 socks. Impressive.
Shocked to read this thread and discover this was all the journalist's fault.
What are "personal devices" now? Not being sarcastic. I don't know. Government issued is better? Didn't we go over this with Hillary and Blackberries?GAC06 said:aggiehawg said:
Calling Elon! Pick up the white courtesy phone, please! Or Erik Prince?
This day and age no secure communications? Really?
There are secure communications but not if top level politicians are discussing classified national security info on their personal devices
We fixed the keg said:From the NY Post article.Quote:
Did no one in the group wonder WTF is this other guy in the group?Quote:
Goldberg claimed that he was signed into the chat with just his initials "JG," suggesting Waltz or a subordinate had mistaken his Signal info for that of Jamieson Greer the US Trade Representative who often attends National Security Council meetings.
Is that speculation or did Waltz say that's what happened? Is Greer normally a silent observer or an active participant, and would he normally be included in these type of planning meetings? Just lots of unanswered questions
Oh for God's sake, the administration has already confirmed the authenticity of the message. https://t.co/AxQGqqyux3
— Brit Hume (@brithume) March 24, 2025
Agree with Brit. Bad look.
aggiehawg said:What are "personal devices" now? Not being sarcastic. I don't know. Government issued is better? Didn't we go over this with Hillary and Blackberries?GAC06 said:aggiehawg said:
Calling Elon! Pick up the white courtesy phone, please! Or Erik Prince?
This day and age no secure communications? Really?
There are secure communications but not if top level politicians are discussing classified national security info on their personal devices
Personal devices like their own phones that they use to do everything a normal person uses their phone to do. They are not secure. It's beyond stupid and completely unacceptable if that's what is happening, and adding some editor is just icing on the cake.
Hegs and his group have to own this and live by what they expect everyone else to live up too.
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