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zephyr88 said:

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So... Qatar gives $$$ to A&M (via college programs), and crickets.

But... Qatar gives $$$ to Trump (via a plane), and there's an outrage?

So, is it the gift or the size of the gift? I;m just trying to understand the rules.

All I know is, damn... Qatar must have a lot of money to throw around.

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Crickets? Aggies and other people on this board have been criticizing the relationship with Qatar since it began. I remember when it was first announced, I was in attendance for her speech, it was odd even at that time pre-9/11.

CCAg95 said:

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Here is my understanding from what I know. The new 747 plane is at the company in the US that does the customizations. It was meant tor Qatar. Boeing can not deliver a new 747 to be customized for AF1. What is being asked is to bump Qatar to next in line and use the current plane for AF1 and the next plane from Boeing will be for Qatar.

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????? "Formerly operated as a private jet for the Qatari Royal Family, under the registration A7-HBJ, the aircraft was withdrawn from use in 2023 and eventually given the temporary registration P4-HBJ while a new operator was found."

DETAILS

Pretty much, though I would have to guess any classified communications systems would be removed prior to it being sent to the museum/foundation etc. The current 747's (VC-25A's) also had their prices shot through the roof when delivered to add refueling capabilities I think, which is absurd as they'd never use this capability with POTUS on board.

Again, some of this is akin to comparing a 'regular' armored limo to 'the beast.' It's a little silly he refuses to continue to use the existing ones, I would concede, but whatever, ultimately. Still, operating a 747-200 (heavily modified) which was manufactured in the mid '80's is also more costly than a newer one as here (not that many from that era left in the civilian sector, even cargo ones.)

No way we allow a foreign country to build an airplane to transport our president.

Im Gipper said:

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We should also not rule out this is highly likely MSM FAKE TWISTED NEWS!

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They leave out some pertinent info/details, add a little twist to it by using words like 'possible', 'proposed' or 'heard from an undisclosed source in the administration' that the plane will be then given to the Trump library.

OPAG said:

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Im Gipper said:

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We should also not rule out this is highly likely MSM FAKE TWISTED NEWS!

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They leave out some pertinent info/details, add a little twist to it by using words like 'possible', 'proposed' or 'heard from an undisclosed source in the administration' that the plane will be then given to the Trump library.

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If they have copies of memos from the AG then it is more believable

OPAG said:

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Im Gipper said:

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We should also not rule out this is highly likely MSM FAKE TWISTED NEWS!

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They leave out some pertinent info/details, add a little twist to it by using words like 'possible', 'proposed' or 'heard from an undisclosed source in the administration' that the plane will be then given to the Trump library.

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48/72 hour rule always important, especially with Trump-related stories.

Almost as certain as death and taxes, a media story about trump is either completely lying or so biased (missing details, etc), that it shouldn't be believed. Yet, repeatedly, people fall for it. Probably over 90% of these stories could be followed by a "you fell for it again; let's wait 2-3 days to get the truth." Instead, people are expected to engage in the faux outrage as if the story is true. Even though it rarely if ever is as initially reported/portrayed.

This plane appears to be owned by Global Jet Isle of Man now. The 'truth' will attempt to float out over the next handful of days.... maybe it is close to what is being reported today. But if history is any clue, it wont' be.

Qatar Amiri Flight
A7-HJA
April 2012 - July 2015
Qatar Amiri Flight
A7-HBJ
July 2015 - December 2023
Global Jet Isle Of Man
P4-HBJ
December 2023 - Present

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-747-8-p4-hbj-global-jet-isle-of-man/e22978

ts5641 said:

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Boeing has ****ed up the new AF1 so bad we've had to go this route temporarily. What's the problem? You think Trump is going to suddenly be more sympathetic and give handouts under the table to the them?
There's nothing wrong with this.

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I can think of so many things wrong using this as a primary vehicle of the president from a multitude of comms and technical security vulnerabilities.

Heads of state give each other gifts all the time . But this just looks bad on so many fronts

zephyr88 said:

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So... Qatar gives $$$ to A&M (via college programs), and crickets.

But... Qatar gives $$$ to Trump (via a plane), and there's an outrage?

So, is it the gift or the size of the gift? I;m just trying to understand the rules.

All I know is, damn... Qatar must have a lot of money to throw around.

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We're shutting down the Qatar campus.

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flown-the-coop said:

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GAC06 said:

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I wonder what the capabilities/requirements are. I know Boeing has its problems but 6 months versus ten years is tough to believe.

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Boeing said that the would be unable to have the dark blue livery Trump wanted on the belly of the plane until it could certify the paint job in places where its hot.

Riyadh, which is based in a warm climate, seems to have no issue having their commercial aircraft painted in full dark blue livery.

So... I think Trump is just calling out Boeing for dragging their ******* feet like they always do in an effort to stretch out the costs thereby increasing the costs.

During his 4-year sabbatical from being POTUS, they revamped TF1 and I imagine him having to time travel back to the 40 year old AF1s is a bit of a downer.

Much of Boeing's issues related to the no-can-do attitude of its management.

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In other words, Trump's decision to change the paint scheme is causing delays?

I don't buy that btw, during Biden's term they switched it back to the powder blue scheme.

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I understand they switched it back, because Boeing told them that Trump's dark blue was going to cause delays due to having to be evaluated / certified for how high temps from the darker paint would impact "sensitive" electronics.

I bring it up as an example to Boeing always needed 18 months to evaluate **** like whether gold cupholders would interfere with the coffee makers or cause the diet coke button to not work.

The point is Boeing's issues in completing / finishing anything ontime and on budget.

It's also that usaf and secret service etc have constantly changed specs, and need for super high level of clearance for anyone on the program. This is also why the marine one program a ways back (Lockheed) got scrapped when unit costs hit around a half billion bucks for a chopper.

nortex97 said:

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It's also that usaf and secret service etc have constantly changed specs, and need for super high level of clearance for anyone on the program. This is also why the marine one program a ways back (Lockheed) got scrapped when unit costs hit around a half billion bucks for a chopper.

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Is the new chopper fully in service? I recall Biden was testing it out a few times and there would be a phased roll in of the new aircraft.

And I had seen the same about the constantly changing specs. Certainly does not help.

regarding the Qatari plane from the OP, I am in the wait on the details camp. These "bad ideas" usually come back around as Team Trump has considered all the ups and downs and made a thoughtful decision.

But its super fun to instead get all the CMs and libs riled up over Trump conspiring with the oil cartels to screw over America so Trump can line his pockets. Makes sense since the Russia stuff fails to stick.

In 3 months there will be a story about how Trump was working with Lil Kim aka Rocketman to replace Chinese made goods with trinkets from DPRK.

nortex97 said:

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It's also that usaf and secret service etc have constantly changed specs, and need for super high level of clearance for anyone on the program. This is also why the marine one program a ways back (Lockheed) got scrapped when unit costs hit around a half billion bucks for a chopper.

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I worked briefly on the project. To even step foot on the plane to work on it required Yankee White clearance for all the updates they were making.

Whatever Qatar gives Trump won't be useable for any foreseeable future to get the tech and comms up to snuff, hardening the exterior to EMPs, as well as all the safety features it would have.

Yeah I'm going with "not a chance in hell". Leave aside all the modifications you would have to make to the plane on the technical side. You would hahe to take it completely apart to make sure nothing was wrong with it or to make sure you removed anything and everything that could possibly have been added to it.

Has this happened, or is this like Russian collusion? Looks like the same people going on about it.

I am going to give this 48 hours before I have any thoughts on this.

I'm sure we are paying for it. The 747 is out of production now, so by definition any of them have to be "used.". We're doing the same thing for the E-4B replacements (getting them from Korean Airlines).

Any stopgap AF1 aircraft will undergo heavy mods and inspections, most likely at L3Harris in Greenville, TX. They will take the plane apart down to the frame and build it back up. It will basically be a new aircraft will all new avionics and equipment when done.

Plenty to be concerned about re: optics but "OMG it might be bugged" is not one of them.

If Boeing can't build a single AF 1, how can they build a fleet of new state of the art fighters?

akaggie05 said:

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I'm sure we are paying for it. The 747 is out of production now, so by definition any of them have to be "used.". We're doing the same thing for the E-4B replacements (getting them from Korean Airlines).

Any stopgap AF1 aircraft will undergo heavy mods and inspections, most likely at L3Harris in Greenville, TX. They will take the plane apart down to the frame and build it back up. It will basically be a new aircraft will all new avionics and equipment when done.

Plenty to be concerned about re: optics but "OMG it might be bugged" is not one of them.

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back in February/March time frame, there were reports that Trump was in the market. Reuters reported on him looking at this plane back then. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-tours-boeing-plane-spotlight-delay-getting-new-air-force-one-2025-02-15/

Edit: based on reporting, L3Harris does appear to be the contractor doing work in San Antonio (flight tracking shows its last stop in SAT).

Some of the texagsgazillinoaires probably know more about private plane brokering, but I wouldn't be surprised if Qatar Airways (essentially Qatar govt) put this for sale with Isle of Man (listed as operator/owner now) as the broker. Trump was mad at Boeing and started kicking tires on potential new purchases and this was one of the 18 in the world of this model that was potentially available. Because the purchase may ultimately involve a foreign government via an intermediary, some legal research was probably done. just an idea how it played out.

(Again - the truth may be what is close to what is being reported (Qater gifting a plane), but history tells us all that the real truth is not close to what is initially reported).

Excellent take based on unnamed sources, massive assumptions and the most incredible jump to the worst conclusion.

How is this even remotely corruption, even if it goes through as described?

Finally, any gift received remains property of the US government. Trump cannot direct the gift back to himself even after his term is up. It will always be property of the US government.

Except was is being reported it that it will transferred to his "library foundation" at the end of his term. IF that is true, it is obviously a personal gift.

To be fair, some posters of the politics board admit the whole Trump coin scheme is, at the very least….*checks notes*… "bad optics."

Why are we talking about this?

Let's get back to our proper focus: bringing illegal foreign gang members into our country.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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I mean none of them batted an eye at $TRUMP coin. T
It's literally an untraceable direct deposit account to Trump. Any other president would be impeached for that alone but to MAGA it's just "good business."

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Democrats crying about funneling of funds to a politician, is laughable.

nhamp07 said:

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OPAG said:

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Im Gipper said:

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We should also not rule out this is highly likely MSM FAKE TWISTED NEWS!

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They leave out some pertinent info/details, add a little twist to it by using words like 'possible', 'proposed' or 'heard from an undisclosed source in the administration' that the plane will be then given to the Trump library.

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If they have copies of memos from the AG then it is more believable

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Isn't she the lawyer who looked at Trump U and decided their was no fraud involved
After receiving a check for a campaign

blacksox said:

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This is a clear bribe. Some of your necks are going to start snapping with all the pretzeling you do to push aside this administration's corruption. It's clown world.

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So t has in fact happened and he accepted the plane? May want to give this the 48 hour rule.