Trump accepting a gifted luxury plane from Qatar?

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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 7:22a, 5/12/25
MouthBQ98 said:
It's a museum piece that would be retained as us property? Or Trump private property?

Seems like maintaining a jet you don't need or plan to use would be a burden, not a gift.

From AI...

Presidential libraries are privately built and donated to the government, then operated and maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). While the construction of the libraries is typically funded by private donations and other non-federal sources, their ongoing operation and maintenance are federally funded. The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 established this system of privately erected and federally maintained libraries.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 7:22a, 5/12/25
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Since the "gift", which it is not a gift but it sounds fun for fake news

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"So the fact that the Defense Department is getting a GIFT, FREE OF CHARGE, of a 747 aircraft to replace the 40 year old Air Force One, temporarily, in a very public and transparent transaction, so bothers the Crooked Democrats that they insist we pay, TOP DOLLAR, for the plane," Trump wrote. "Anybody can do that! The Dems are World Class Losers!!! MAGA."
someone needs to confiscate your shovel
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In reply to Old McDonald • 7:26a, 5/12/25
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Got him?

I think it's humorous and maybe a bit befuddling you can manage to read the Truth and find one word as some sort of gotchya but ignore all the other information surrounding that word and then ignore several pages clearly showing why this is not an issue, not a personal gift to Trump, has yet to be completed, and has lawyers, agencies and now liberal keyboard jihadists looking at it, but libs love chasing the laser around the carpet.

Scurry on, you almost eated the red dot this time.
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In reply to Tramp96 • 7:32a, 5/12/25
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Tramp96 said:
MouthBQ98 said:
It's a museum piece that would be retained as us property? Or Trump private property?

Seems like maintaining a jet you don't need or plan to use would be a burden, not a gift.

From AI...

Presidential libraries are privately built and donated to the government, then operated and maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). While the construction of the libraries is typically funded by private donations and other non-federal sources, their ongoing operation and maintenance are federally funded. The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 established this system of privately erected and federally maintained libraries.


That's not AI. That's internet search results regurgitating facts. It's relevant, it's accurate, but it's not AI.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 7:35a, 5/12/25
flown-the-coop said:
Tramp96 said:
MouthBQ98 said:
It's a museum piece that would be retained as us property? Or Trump private property?

Seems like maintaining a jet you don't need or plan to use would be a burden, not a gift.

From AI...

Presidential libraries are privately built and donated to the government, then operated and maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). While the construction of the libraries is typically funded by private donations and other non-federal sources, their ongoing operation and maintenance are federally funded. The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 established this system of privately erected and federally maintained libraries.


That's not AI. That's internet search results regurgitating facts. It's relevant, it's accurate, but it's not AI.

Take it up with Google, because it titled it "AI Overview..."

I'm just citing my source.
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In reply to Tramp96 • 7:44a, 5/12/25
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Tramp96 said:
MouthBQ98 said:
It's a museum piece that would be retained as us property? Or Trump private property?

Seems like maintaining a jet you don't need or plan to use would be a burden, not a gift.

From AI...

Presidential libraries are privately built and donated to the government, then operated and maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). While the construction of the libraries is typically funded by private donations and other non-federal sources, their ongoing operation and maintenance are federally funded. The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 established this system of privately erected and federally maintained libraries.
That's not really a complete picture though. NARA has a lot of oversight as to the design/repository and maintains ownership over records etc., but really the foundation/institute (I believe all as 501c3 orgs) still essentially operate the libraries, at least, for Presidents since Reagan, basically (exception below). It would not be surprising to see Trump use an LLC/organization of his own to pay his library foundation to maintain/operate the aircraft in the early 2030's. His travels will be much lower as he ages but as with the 757 Trump Force One he loves a splashy arrival/departure. I doubt this aircraft is owned by NARA, in the mid-term anyway.

Oh, and let's face it, Trump may go the "Obama route."
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Does the Obama Library follow the same model as earlier Presidential Libraries?

No. The Obama Foundation, a private entity, made the decision in 2017 not to construct a Presidential Library for NARA to house the records (textual, audiovisual, and artifacts). Instead, the Obama Foundation plans to build and operate a private museum and presidential center in Chicago. NARA will digitize and then store and preserve all original presidential records and artifacts in an existing NARA facility that meets NARA's standards for archival storage. NARA retains legal and physical custody of the records and artifacts. NARA will maintain, preserve, and provide access to the Presidential records of the Obama administration, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act, employing a digital model for access to opened records and loans of materials for display around the world, including at the private Obama Presidential Center. Educational and public programs, both live and virtual, will also be a critical component of the Obama Presidential Library.
Just another option to make Dems red with rage, naturally, by copying Soetero.

For laughs, here's an old piece after the '45 term from politico deriding Trump's ability to create his own presidential library. Personally, if I had to guess Trump will put one at/near one of his properties, eventually, that just so happens to be next to a really long runway.
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8:04a, 5/12/25
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But yet I can't take gifts from vendors......

Politicians need to follow the same rules everyone else does.
I live in waco....therefore, I am ready to move elsewhere.
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In reply to Im Gipper • 8:18a, 5/12/25
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We should also not rule out this is highly likely MSM FAKE NEWS!






I'm Gipper
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In reply to Old McDonald • 8:19a, 5/12/25
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Old McDonald said:
flown-the-coop said:
Since the "gift", which it is not a gift but it sounds fun for fake news

Quote:
"So the fact that the Defense Department is getting a GIFT, FREE OF CHARGE, of a 747 aircraft to replace the 40 year old Air Force One, temporarily, in a very public and transparent transaction, so bothers the Crooked Democrats that they insist we pay, TOP DOLLAR, for the plane," Trump wrote. "Anybody can do that! The Dems are World Class Losers!!! MAGA."
someone needs to confiscate your shovel
How do you feel about the U Penn Biden center receiving $55 million from China while he was still running/in office?
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"The Penn Biden Center is a dark-money, revolving-door nightmare where foreign competitors like China donated millions of dollars to the university so that they could have access to future high-ranking officials," said Tom Anderson, director of the Government Integrity Project at the Virginia-based National Legal and Policy Center.

The University of Pennsylvania raked in a total of $54.6 million from 2014 through June 2019 in donations from China, including $23.1 million in anonymous gifts starting in 2016, according to public records.
Most of the anonymous donations came after the university officially announced in February 2017 that it would create the academic center named for Biden, whose term as vice president under Barack Obama had just ended. In addition to leading the think tank, Biden was named a professor at the school.
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In reply to Ihatefallscounty • 8:25a, 5/12/25
Ihatefallscounty said:
But yet I can't take gifts from vendors......

Politicians need to follow the same rules everyone else does.
You personally cannot accept a gift from a vendor. The company can.
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In reply to MelvinUdall • 8:34a, 5/12/25
MelvinUdall said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
You just wanted to "what about" rather than acknowledge another act of public corruption by your cult leader.


Negative…again, I made no comment on this subject supporting or criticizing this, I simply made a comment about posters that were silent and now are screaming from the mountain top, that is all…don't be hypocritical when it doesn't support your side…
You made no comment because the only comment would be to condemn this obviously act of bribery or lie. Your 'no comment' is so obviously transparent I'm pretty sure I can assume your actual feelings about the subject of this thread.
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8:37a, 5/12/25
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Just a reminder of what we are doing here…


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9:04a, 5/12/25
Leftist judge TRO in 3...2...1...
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It’s never too late
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In reply to Zapata23 • 9:58a, 5/12/25

Good short video on the plane



Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:
It’s never too late
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In reply to Ervin Burrell • 11:00a, 5/12/25
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Im Gipper said:
Ervin Burrell said:
Logos Stick said:
I don't see an issue with it. Unless there is some obvious quid pro quo this is a nothing burger.


And yet if a Dem prez did the same thing, you and this entire board would be screeching to high holy.


And your ilk would be calling it a nothing burger. Crazy how that works!




I don't have an "ilk", but thanks for proving my point…yay tribalism.
Yes you do. You ALWAYS bash the right and goaltend or just turn a blind eye to the left.

Not sure if you're a liberal or concerned moderate, but you have severe TDS and definitely have an "ilk".
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In reply to Sweep4-2 • 11:16a, 5/12/25
Sweep4-2 said:
It's called common sense. No politician has ever done anything that hasn't benefited them personally. That's WHY people become politicians.
The last few presidents used the office to personally enrich themselves. Trump is the first president, to my knowledge, to take a substantial financial ding, and even forgoes his presidential salary.

Would much rather have a president driven by his legacy than using his position to get wealthy.

No president in any of our lifetimes has sacrificed so tremendously. Spied on, hoax after hoax, attempts to imprison, constant railroading, FBI and intel community interfering in 2020 election...its unprecedented.

True sacrifice.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 11:24a, 5/12/25
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El Gallo Blanco said:
Sweep4-2 said:
It's called common sense. No politician has ever done anything that hasn't benefited them personally. That's WHY people become politicians.
The last few presidents used the office to personally enrich themselves. Trump is the first president, to my knowledge, to take a surbstantial financial ding, and even forgoes his presidential salary.

Would much rather have a president driven by his legacy than using his position to get wealthy.

No president in any of our lifetimes has sacrificed so tremendously. Spied on, hoax after hoax, attempts to imprison, constant railroading, FBI and intel community interfering in 2020 election...its unprecedented.

True sacrifice.
And to boot he is going to pay for a Grand Golden Ballroom and two 250' high flag poles on White House grounds.

Scuttle has it he has asked Burgum to finish the Hall of Records at Mount Rushmore funded by Burgum, Trump, Lutnick and others of means in the cabinet.


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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 11:31a, 5/12/25
El Gallo Blanco said:
Ervin Burrell said:
Im Gipper said:
Ervin Burrell said:
Logos Stick said:
I don't see an issue with it. Unless there is some obvious quid pro quo this is a nothing burger.


And yet if a Dem prez did the same thing, you and this entire board would be screeching to high holy.


And your ilk would be calling it a nothing burger. Crazy how that works!




I don't have an "ilk", but thanks for proving my point…yay tribalism.
Yes you do. You ALWAYS bash the right and goaltend or just turn a blind eye to the left.

Not sure if you're a liberal or concerned moderate, but you have severe TDS and definitely have an "ilk".

Since you are obviously an unbias juror in these matters, could you provide a comparable? Perhaps a $400 million dollar gift to a Democratic President from a country that openly supports terrorist groups, like Hamas and ISIS.


"I know that in America and some countries they look at some movements as terrorist movements. … But there are differences. There are differences that some countries and some people that any group which comes from Islamic background are terrorists. And we don't accept that."
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In reply to rgvag11 • 11:36a, 5/12/25
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rgvag11 said:
El Gallo Blanco said:
Ervin Burrell said:
Im Gipper said:
Ervin Burrell said:
Logos Stick said:
I don't see an issue with it. Unless there is some obvious quid pro quo this is a nothing burger.


And yet if a Dem prez did the same thing, you and this entire board would be screeching to high holy.


And your ilk would be calling it a nothing burger. Crazy how that works!




I don't have an "ilk", but thanks for proving my point…yay tribalism.
Yes you do. You ALWAYS bash the right and goaltend or just turn a blind eye to the left.

Not sure if you're a liberal or concerned moderate, but you have severe TDS and definitely have an "ilk".

Since you are obviously an unbias juror in these matters, could you provide a comparable? Perhaps a $400 million dollar gift to a Democratic President from a country that openly supports terrorist groups, like Hamas and ISIS.


"I know that in America and some countries they look at some movements as terrorist movements. … But there are differences. There are differences that some countries and some people that any group which comes from Islamic background are terrorists. And we don't accept that."
So now Dems no longer support ISIS and Hamas? Because Qatar offered a deal to the US Department of Defense to help solve a problem and save taxpayers money?

I mean, its getting really crazy to follow Dem/Lib ideals these days - of course those who lack moral character have a poor concept of ideals and principles, so there is that.

What would be a fair price for the taxpayers to shell out here so you would be comfortable Trump is not being bribed.

$50 million?

$250 million?

$400 million?

More?

How much money should taxpayers be on the hook for in order to show that Orange Man is Not Bad here?

Or is that number not definable?
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 11:53a, 5/12/25
El Gallo Blanco said:
Sweep4-2 said:
It's called common sense. No politician has ever done anything that hasn't benefited them personally. That's WHY people become politicians.
The last few presidents used the office to personally enrich themselves. Trump is the first president, to my knowledge, to take a substantial financial ding, and even forgoes his presidential salary.

Would much rather have a president driven by his legacy than using his position to get wealthy.

No president in any of our lifetimes has sacrificed so tremendously. Spied on, hoax after hoax, attempts to imprison, constant railroading, FBI and intel community interfering in 2020 election...its unprecedented.

True sacrifice.
Hogwash.

This first hundred days of the Trump administration will go down in history is the greatest grift in the history of our economy in terms of the amount of money stolen and the size of it over the shortest period.

Trump Coin:
The Trump coin launched on a Friday night under cover of dark with all the news about the inauguration. By 3am on Sunday it was valued in more than 70 billion. And there were small number of investors who made large investments on a Friday (maybe they got a tip or something). They made tens if not hundreds of millions.
And then over the course over the next couple weeks, about 800,000 smaller investors lost billions.

This is blatant market manipulation, or what would technically be called insider trading, but we'll never know because on April 8, Trump's deputy attorney general ordered the DOJ's crypto fraud investigation arm to disband.

Stock Market Manipulation:
Trump posted on Truth Social "this is a great time to buy" at 9:37am on April 10th. Later, between 1pm and 1:10pm there was a huge increase in bullish zero day SP500 call options. And then just eight minutes later, Trump announced a 90 day pause on all of his tariffs and the market soared almost 10%; one of the biggest single day gains in history. So someone clearly knew what was going on - - that's also called insider trading.

The market gained $4 trillion while Trump Media closed up 23%, and increased his net worth by 415 million.

Selling Access:
On April 23, Trump announced that the top holders of the Trump coin would win an exclusive dinner with him and the coin surge over 60%. Just 58 wallets made more than 10 million apiece, totaling approximately 1.1 billion in gains. Meanwhile, 800,000 wallets of mostly smaller holders have lost money on their Trump coin.

And the kids are in on it. World Liberty Financial, a crypto firm run by Trumps sons, Eric and Don Jr. of which they are entitled to 75% of its revenue is now being leveraged to facilitate pardons for criminals. Justin Sun, a crypto billionaire, was under investigation for securities fraud but after investing 75 million in World Liberty Financial, guess what? The SEC dismissed his case.

Melania lauched her own meme coin but this was after she sold her rights to her own biopic to Amazon for $40m in which she will also be an executive producer. Don't forget that Bezos was sitting front row at Trumps inauguration. The Trump family made notionally tens of billions of dollars since he took office.

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12:05p, 5/12/25
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How does this 747 jump ahead of getting modifications that the 2 others have been getting for years? I have to think that's not possible, so is POTUS only using this jet for travel to domestic and other destinations that are deemed safe enough to fly without the security measures the VC jets normally have? Was this even talked through?

The jet can only be gifted to the US, not to Trump. Why would the US then give the jet to a Trump library?

Sounds like he just wants an ultra luxurious ride, other considerations be damned.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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In reply to The Kraken • 12:22p, 5/12/25
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The Kraken said:
How does this 747 jump ahead of getting modifications that the 2 others have been getting for years? I have to think that's not possible, so is POTUS only using this jet for travel to domestic and other destinations that are deemed safe enough to fly without the security measures the VC jets normally have? Was this even talked through?

The jet can only be gifted to the US, not to Trump. Why would the US then give the jet to a Trump library?

Sounds like he just wants an ultra luxurious ride, other considerations be damned.


Pretty much. There's no way the Qatari sourced jet will have the capabilities of the existing and future VC-25's (aerial refueling, EMP hardening, probably various other classified features).

Basically he wants a more luxurious 747 with his preferred paint job. We'd pay to modify it, fly it in addition to the existing jets, still take delivery of the new jets, and claim that somehow saved money.
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12:26p, 5/12/25
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What difference does it make? It's not like he's gonna take it with him after his term is over. Personally I'd be more worried about hidden surveillance on board that they're not able to find. Get over it.
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In reply to GAC06 • 12:33p, 5/12/25
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GAC06 said:
The Kraken said:
How does this 747 jump ahead of getting modifications that the 2 others have been getting for years? I have to think that's not possible, so is POTUS only using this jet for travel to domestic and other destinations that are deemed safe enough to fly without the security measures the VC jets normally have? Was this even talked through?

The jet can only be gifted to the US, not to Trump. Why would the US then give the jet to a Trump library?

Sounds like he just wants an ultra luxurious ride, other considerations be damned.
Pretty much. There's no way the Qatari sourced jet will have the capabilities of the existing and future VC-25's (aerial refueling, EMP hardening, probably various other classified features).

Basically he wants a more luxurious 747 with his preferred paint job. We'd pay to modify it, fly it in addition to the existing jets, still take delivery of the new jets, and claim that somehow saved money.
No, not at all. This won't be a VC-25 anything. It will be a 748 with some secure comms. The new VC-25B's won't have the boondoggle aerial refueling built in either, as that was a grotesque waste of money. Radio's can be moved out after they are no longer needed.

Oh, and trump has now said he won't be flying on it after he is out of office.

So much TDS in the coverage of this. Trump citing Sam Snead is great "When they give you a putt, you pick it up and walk to the next hole, thank you very much."

'Muh, well what if Trump wants to launch nukes and he's in this thing and the Qatari's are monitoring it and…'
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In reply to nortex97 • 12:43p, 5/12/25
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nortex97 said:
GAC06 said:
The Kraken said:
How does this 747 jump ahead of getting modifications that the 2 others have been getting for years? I have to think that's not possible, so is POTUS only using this jet for travel to domestic and other destinations that are deemed safe enough to fly without the security measures the VC jets normally have? Was this even talked through?

The jet can only be gifted to the US, not to Trump. Why would the US then give the jet to a Trump library?

Sounds like he just wants an ultra luxurious ride, other considerations be damned.
Pretty much. There's no way the Qatari sourced jet will have the capabilities of the existing and future VC-25's (aerial refueling, EMP hardening, probably various other classified features).

Basically he wants a more luxurious 747 with his preferred paint job. We'd pay to modify it, fly it in addition to the existing jets, still take delivery of the new jets, and claim that somehow saved money.
No, not at all. This won't be a VC-25 anything. It will be a 748 with some secure comms. The new VC-25B's won't have the boondoggle aerial refueling built in either, as that was a grotesque waste of money. Radio's can be moved out after they are no longer needed.

Oh, and trump has now said he won't be flying on it after he is out of office.

So much TDS in the coverage of this. Trump citing Sam Snead is great "When they give you a putt, you pick it up and walk to the next hole, thank you very much."

'Muh, well what if Trump wants to launch nukes and he's in this thing and the Qatari's are monitoring it and…'
Pretty much. My understanding that the VC-25B would be re-engined from its green aircraft config. Former colleague with a connection in the USAF/AFRL area mentioned the electrical system was getting upgraded as well similar to its predecessor (VC-25A: 4x 60 kVA generators to 4x 150 kVA gens)... does the VC-25B get 180's over its baseline 90 kVA machines? My guess that a new APU system is installed as well to get true/full operation in flight. Aside from the mission hardening and comms, an entirely new powerplant is a yuge retrofit.
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In reply to nortex97 • 12:45p, 5/12/25
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Not sure why you responded to me with "no not at all" then agreed that:

"Basically he wants a more luxurious 747 with his preferred paint job. We'd pay to modify it, fly it in addition to the existing jets, still take delivery of the new jets, and claim that somehow saved money."
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GAC06 said:
Not sure why you responded to me with "no not at all" then agreed that:

"Basically he wants a more luxurious 747 with his preferred paint job. We'd pay to modify it, fly it in addition to the existing jets, still take delivery of the new jets, and claim that somehow saved money."
Because…your post was wrong.

Let me know where you find a cost analysis to support the point you are trying to make, which I don't understand.

What I do know is that we aren't paying to fly big Mike's engorged staff to Vail/Aspen/Martha's Vineyard/Hawaii/Africa any longer to enjoy fine dining. But that was back when President Obama opposed waste in government, among other things.

Presidential travel has been, and will be, ridiculously expensive. Trump taking the free putt isn't the problem.
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In reply to 747Ag • 1:00p, 5/12/25
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Yes. It's akin again to something like the Beast limo: it resembles a Cadillac and has the outer mould lines, but in reality is entirely different. This is what drives all the 'little things' that make certification/procurement/engineering so difficult and time consuming.
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nortex97 said:
GAC06 said:
Not sure why you responded to me with "no not at all" then agreed that:

"Basically he wants a more luxurious 747 with his preferred paint job. We'd pay to modify it, fly it in addition to the existing jets, still take delivery of the new jets, and claim that somehow saved money."
Because…your post was wrong.

Let me know where you find a cost analysis to support the point you are trying to make, which I don't understand.

What I do know is that we aren't paying to fly big Mike's engorged staff to Vail/Aspen/Martha's Vineyard/Hawaii/Africa any longer to enjoy fine dining. But that was back when President Obama opposed waste in government, among other things.

Presidential travel has been, and will be, ridiculously expensive. Trump taking the free putt isn't the problem.


I said it will be a luxurious 747, without the capabilities of the VC-25's. You said no not at all, then said the exact same thing. Now you're posting irrelevant information to deflect, yet again.
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1:08p, 5/12/25
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LMAO

Trump gets the government a free plane.

TexAgs pages of REEEEEEEE HE'S TAKING BRIBES.

Uh, he's not getting the plane. THE GOVERNMENT IS.

TexAgs more pages of REEEEEEE HE'S TAKING BRIBES!! IT'S GOING IN HIS MUSEUM

Uh, HE IS NOT GETTING THE PLANE!! THE GOVERNMENT IS!!! THE GOVERNMENT OWNS AND RUNS THE LIBRARY!!

TexAgs more pages of REEEEEEEEEE HE'S TAKING BRIBES

Thanks guys. I needed a good laugh today.
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747Ag said:
nortex97 said:
GAC06 said:
The Kraken said:
How does this 747 jump ahead of getting modifications that the 2 others have been getting for years? I have to think that's not possible, so is POTUS only using this jet for travel to domestic and other destinations that are deemed safe enough to fly without the security measures the VC jets normally have? Was this even talked through?

The jet can only be gifted to the US, not to Trump. Why would the US then give the jet to a Trump library?

Sounds like he just wants an ultra luxurious ride, other considerations be damned.
Pretty much. There's no way the Qatari sourced jet will have the capabilities of the existing and future VC-25's (aerial refueling, EMP hardening, probably various other classified features).

Basically he wants a more luxurious 747 with his preferred paint job. We'd pay to modify it, fly it in addition to the existing jets, still take delivery of the new jets, and claim that somehow saved money.
No, not at all. This won't be a VC-25 anything. It will be a 748 with some secure comms. The new VC-25B's won't have the boondoggle aerial refueling built in either, as that was a grotesque waste of money. Radio's can be moved out after they are no longer needed.

Oh, and trump has now said he won't be flying on it after he is out of office.

So much TDS in the coverage of this. Trump citing Sam Snead is great "When they give you a putt, you pick it up and walk to the next hole, thank you very much."

'Muh, well what if Trump wants to launch nukes and he's in this thing and the Qatari's are monitoring it and…'
Pretty much. My understanding that the VC-25B would be re-engined from its green aircraft config. Former colleague with a connection in the USAF/AFRL area mentioned the electrical system was getting upgraded as well similar to its predecessor (VC-25A: 4x 60 kVA generators to 4x 150 kVA gens)... does the VC-25B get 180's over its baseline 90 kVA machines? My guess that a new APU system is installed as well to get true/full operation in flight. Aside from the mission hardening and comms, an entirely new powerplant is a yuge retrofit.


Where have you heard about it being re-engined? This program description doesn't mention it that I saw. It does say they're going with two APU's.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Selected_Acquisition_Reports/FY_2022_SARS/VC-25B_SAR_DEC_2022.pdf
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1:17p, 5/12/25
This is Trump's worst decision since taking office

but at least it is relatively unimportant.

still, it would be a smarter political move to have the USA buy another plane and tell the Qataris to stop supporting Iran.
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