Trump accepting a gifted luxury plane from Qatar?

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cslifer said:

Except was is being reported it that it will transferred to his "library foundation" at the end of his term. IF that is true, it is obviously a personal gift.


POTUS cannot accept personal gifts. It's property of the US. If anything, it could be loaned to the library though would think subsequent potus could dispose of it or reassign it.

All those trinkets at the Bush library(ies) received during their time as POTUS belong to the people of the United States.
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You do realize that a significant portion of Americans exist that don't consider themselves Democrats, didn't drink Trump's koolaid, and don't tolerate corruption…from either major party? I thought we were "draining swamps" here?
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Yes, the concerned moderates.
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Gig em G said:

You do realize that a significant portion of Americans exist that don't consider themselves Democrats, didn't drink Trump's koolaid, and don't tolerate corruption…from either major party? I thought we were "draining swamps" here?


This isn't about drinking Trumps koolaid, also, I am sorry I mislabeled you. My issue is that this has yet to happen or been proven, yet you and others have already jumped on the bandwagon as it already has…how about we wait for it to happen or not, before going off the deep end,
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Gig em G said:

You do realize that a significant portion of Americans exist that don't consider themselves Democrats, didn't drink Trump's koolaid, and don't tolerate corruption…from either major party? I thought we were "draining swamps" here?


Getting a free airplane would seem to be in line with draining the swamp.

Buying the airplane for 3x value from a company owned by POTUS family members would be swampy.

There are not a significant portion of Americans that hate Trump but don't consider themselves MAGA. Believe that call them concerned moderates and they are a dying breed.

If you cannot get behind Trump fully at this point, then you hate America (in my opinion).
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flown-the-coop said:

Gig em G said:

You do realize that a significant portion of Americans exist that don't consider themselves Democrats, didn't drink Trump's koolaid, and don't tolerate corruption…from either major party? I thought we were "draining swamps" here?


Getting a free airplane would seem to be in line with draining the swamp.

Buying the airplane for 3x value from a company owned by POTUS family members would be swampy.

There are not a significant portion of Americans that hate Trump but don't consider themselves MAGA. Believe that call them concerned moderates and they are a dying breed.

If you cannot get behind Trump fully at this point, then you hate America (in my opinion).


You'll see how much they're dying out in the midterms. Looking to be a blood bath for MAGA.
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What is this based on?
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Ellis Wyatt said:

What is this based on?


Feelings
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The manufactured outrage is quite amusing on this thread; HOWEVER, the jet from Qatar is NOT a gift to Trump, but instead is a gift to "the American public"- at least for now.

A quick Google search reveals that under Federal law, an executive branch official, including the POTUS, must disclose any gift from a foreign government and valued at $480 or more.

First important point: Gifts from foreign officials/ governments many times MUST be accepted by the POTUS as an act of good will, as foreign relations comes into play that practically require the POTUS to accept the gift (although exceptions exist, such as I'm sure FDR could've refused a gift from Hitler that was a gold statue of him & made from melted gold teeth from Jews who were murdered, etc).

Second important part: Whenever a POTUS' term ends, those foreign gifts not kept/ utilized are deposited into a public registry, as the gifts are owned BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC during the POTUS' term & thereafter. For those gifts from foreign officials/ governments the POTUS decides to keep, such "is not bribery: A president can keep items to be displayed at their "presidential center", & in so doing, the item remains PUBLICLY OWNED BY US CITIZENS!!

Lastly, if the POTUS wants to keep a foreign gift all to themselves that exceeds the aforesaid monetary threshold, provided they've executed the necessary paperwork that's recorded in some registry that's devoted to presidential gifts AND pay taxes on the gift's FMV, then the POTUS can keep the item for themselves; alternatively, IF Congress convenes & ratifies the foreign donation, the POTUS can keep the gift without paying anything for it (but they still must maintain a paper trail required by relevant federal law, like the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act of 1966 & subsequent legislation).

So please, stop the faux outrage about this plane from Qatar, ESPECIALLY if you weren't outraged by Hunter getting millions from Burisma &/or all those lucrative contracts or donations to Joe's brother, provided both pinched off 10% 'for the Big Guy'!!!

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MelvinUdall said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

What is this based on?


Feelings
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Extra blue star.
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It's funny, you know people who have no concept of presidential history or have never paid attention at or never visited a library.

It's a pretty basic concept regarding presidential gifts.

POTUS also has to pay for their own groceries and dry cleaning whilst in the White House.
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Did anyone get impeached over the Statue of Liberty? Is there a difference?
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Old McDonald said:

in a surprise to no one, it turns out trump and MAGAworld don't actually mind government corruption as long as they're the ones benefitting from it. replace the swamp and make it swampier!
You go all the way to this based on hearsay?
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Does the Statue of Liberty fly peoples friends and families around for unlimited trips domestic and abroad?

Terrible optics that make the US look like we need to stand on the side of the road with a cardboard sign asking for a ride.
Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
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Almost as bad as Obama getting the Beast high centered in Dublin back in the day.
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Sweep4-2 said:

Does the Statue of Liberty fly peoples friends and families around for unlimited trips domestic and abroad?

Terrible optics that make the US look like we need to stand on the side of the road with a cardboard sign asking for a ride.


Have you confirmed that this has happened yet?
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MelvinUdall said:

blacksox said:

This is a clear bribe. Some of your necks are going to start snapping with all the pretzeling you do to push aside this administration's corruption. It's clown world.


So t has in fact happened and he accepted the plane? May want to give this the 48 hour rule.
According to AP reporting in February, the plane 'had' been owned by Qatar. So they apparently purchased it back just to be able to give it to Trump. (to show Trump how much the public bribe means to them of course).

"Trump on Saturday toured a newer Boeing 747-800 airplane to check out new hardware and technology features and highlight the aircraft maker's delay in delivering updated versions of the Air Force One presidential aircraft, the White House said Saturday. Trump visited the 13-year-old private aircraft that had been owned by the Qatari royal family while it was parked at Palm Beach International Airport."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-air-force-one-boeing-plane-355ed87b00d7d82a061297f68c4ed89b
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fredfredunderscorefred said:

MelvinUdall said:

blacksox said:

This is a clear bribe. Some of your necks are going to start snapping with all the pretzeling you do to push aside this administration's corruption. It's clown world.


So t has in fact happened and he accepted the plane? May want to give this the 48 hour rule.
According to AP reporting in February, the plane 'had' been owned by Qatar. So they apparently purchased it back just to be able to give it to Trump. (to show Trump how much the public bribe means to them of course).

"Trump on Saturday toured a newer Boeing 747-800 airplane to check out new hardware and technology features and highlight the aircraft maker's delay in delivering updated versions of the Air Force One presidential aircraft, the White House said Saturday. Trump visited the 13-year-old private aircraft that had been owned by the Qatari royal family while it was parked at Palm Beach International Airport."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-air-force-one-boeing-plane-355ed87b00d7d82a061297f68c4ed89b


Ok, maybe my comprehension is off, the title of the article use "considering" and in the article it says "purchasing". Again, maybe I misread, but I didn't see where the plane was going to be gifted to him. But I will happily eat my words if I am off on comprehension of the linked article.
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MelvinUdall said:

fredfredunderscorefred said:

MelvinUdall said:

blacksox said:

This is a clear bribe. Some of your necks are going to start snapping with all the pretzeling you do to push aside this administration's corruption. It's clown world.


So t has in fact happened and he accepted the plane? May want to give this the 48 hour rule.
According to AP reporting in February, the plane 'had' been owned by Qatar. So they apparently purchased it back just to be able to give it to Trump. (to show Trump how much the public bribe means to them of course).

"Trump on Saturday toured a newer Boeing 747-800 airplane to check out new hardware and technology features and highlight the aircraft maker's delay in delivering updated versions of the Air Force One presidential aircraft, the White House said Saturday. Trump visited the 13-year-old private aircraft that had been owned by the Qatari royal family while it was parked at Palm Beach International Airport."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-air-force-one-boeing-plane-355ed87b00d7d82a061297f68c4ed89b


Ok, maybe my comprehension is off, the title of the article use "considering" and in the article it says "purchasing". Again, maybe I misread, but I didn't see where the plane was going to be gifted to him. But I will happily eat my words if I am off on comprehension of the linked article.
You're reading it correctly....
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Anyone melting down over this has clearly never been to a presidential museum. The walls are covered with fancy gifts from other countries.
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So he's only going to use it a couple times and park it at his library

What's the big deal?

Y'all can find the dumbest crap to b**** about. Even though he's been nails since being elected

Has made most on here look like dumbasses at least twice. Looks like that will continue with this one
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TriAg2010 said:

zephyr88 said:

So... Qatar gives $$$ to A&M (via college programs), and crickets.


Crickets from who? There are pages and pages of F16 topics with TexAgs users saying the A&M campus in Qatar is concerning.
There should be more outrage than F16, but glad it exists here nonetheless.
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flown-the-coop said:

nortex97 said:

It's also that usaf and secret service etc have constantly changed specs, and need for super high level of clearance for anyone on the program. This is also why the marine one program a ways back (Lockheed) got scrapped when unit costs hit around a half billion bucks for a chopper.
Is the new chopper fully in service? I recall Biden was testing it out a few times and there would be a phased roll in of the new aircraft.

And I had seen the same about the constantly changing specs. Certainly does not help.
That one was scrapped and sold for spare parts to canada. The new one is in service, sort of, but not regularly hauling POTUS around yet. (Went from EH-101 to S-92 based.).

For some reasons that escape me Trump is still flying on the ancient VH-3's, which I think are from the early 60's. Some irony in Lockheed having bought Sikorsky.
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Nonregdrummer09 said:



Surely we are not ok with this right? A foreign power giving such an important state vehicle to the President? Never mind the Constitutional implications, what about state security?

There's a lot of things that I think Trump does well, but his biggest weakness are people playing to his ego.
So taxpayers are not paying for AF1. I am ok with that.
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Madagascar said:

Anyone melting down over this has clearly never been to a presidential museum. The walls are covered with fancy gifts from other countries.


Which presidents were gifted a VIP 747?
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It’s never too late
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SO the thread started with an X Post from the Trump hating liar Jonathan Karl. SO faux rage over Qater and personal gift arguments just to find out that taxpayers are buying this swanky plane from Isle of Man, to cut some costs and get it retrofitted sooner. Trump's current two aging 747s in the AF1 fleet are costing a ton in upkeep and increasingly require heavy maintenance, which also limits his transportation options when he needs to go overseas, as well as additional upkeep costs. Boeing saying 10 years out on delivering the planes Trump ordered in 2017, what a cluster they are. Blew it with NASA and all the maintenance issues, and systematic eff-ups.


The new Jet is swanky








It’s never too late
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Throw in some red white and blue accents and that's a pretty plane for him to travel on. I've read the cabinetry etc. was by a high end French/Parisian outfit.
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Madagascar said:

Anyone melting down over this has clearly never been to a presidential museum. The walls are covered with fancy gifts from other countries.
If the media reported about all of that, how could they breathlessly screech about everything Donald Trump does?
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zephyr88 said:

TriAg2010 said:

zephyr88 said:

So... Qatar gives $$$ to A&M (via college programs), and crickets.


Crickets from who? There are pages and pages of F16 topics with TexAgs users saying the A&M campus in Qatar is concerning.
There should be more outrage than F16, but glad it exists here nonetheless.
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“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
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japantiger said:




Whoopsie. The fake news junkies on here get embarrassed again
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I hope L3 does the work in Waco or Greenville With my Boeing airframe experience, I bet I could swing a contracting gig there.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/11/qatar-calls-jet-gift-trump-inaccurate-00341084

On the record quote:
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But Ali Al-Ansari, Qatar's Media Attach to the U.S., told POLITICO the reports are "inaccurate."

"The possible transfer of an aircraft for temporary use as Air Force One is currently under consideration between Qatar's Ministry of Defense and the U.S. Department of Defense, but the matter remains under review by the respective legal departments, and no decision has been made," he said.
Conversations between Qatar and the US over an AF1 plane are in fact happening. That alone is ill advised.
 
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