Camp Mystic and Guadalupe updates

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Jack Squat 83 said:

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Debated whether or not to post this but please stay AWAY from supporting Operation Airdrop in this. I worked with them in NC after Helene and they received so much money that they had leftover cash at the end of the week where they were needed. Instead of passing it to a group that could use it, they started buying and distributing propane and RVs. They brought on a new executive director at that point who has quietly changed the mission to try to grift off any disaster he can and this is no different. They have been repeating Kerr County updates in the first person as though they are deploying their own air assets and making rescues themselves, but they are not. They are also asking for donations. Do not give to them.

If you feel compelled to give, please give to a local organization in one of the impacted counties. Comanche Trace is coordinating a large supply drive, but there are others too. I just don't want people wasting time and money to help prop up someone's ego in North Texas.
This needs to be passed on to an investigative reporter ASAP, and put out there.

Government certainly isn't the solution to everything, but are there laws pertaining to false charities?



Posted more on OB but they took down all their 1st person posts. They are now asking people to give money and supplies in Addison and have said they have been asked to coordinate relief in Burnet County. Bring all your money and supplies, drop them at the airport there, and they promise they'll TRUCK them to where it needs to go. The organization created to help when trucks aren't possible is now promising to truck things a couple hours for you to feel good (and so they can tour disasters with a purpose). Sick.

I hope that guy and that org gets called out publicly. Amazing what one ******** with an ego can do to a great organization.

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That is some epic bullcrap, to borrow Stephen McGee's phrase.
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Dan Patrick still claiming the warnings were around "minor" flooding. Not trying to Monday QB, as the timing of the flood/warnings was the biggest issue (after everyone was asleep). But the way Dan handled THC recently doesnt give me much confidence in his objectivity on this tragedy.
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You don't really get to pick when the storm surge comes.
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FobTies said:

Dan Patrick still claiming the warnings were around "minor" flooding. Not trying to Monday QB, as the timing of the flood/warnings was the biggest issue (after everyone was asleep). But the way Dan handled THC recently doesnt give me much confidence in his objectivity on this tragedy.
Not a time to blame.
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TexasRebel said:

You don't really get to pick when the storm surge comes.

What does that have to do with misrepresenting the severity of warnings?

Honestly, the issue is probably more around warnings in general being exaggerated so often that actual catastrophic events arent realized as such.

Its not an easy topic. But its sure to be fleshed out in coming weeks.
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Did any of the warnings say "Biblical storm surge incoming"?

I don't know why people are absolutely OBSESSED with assigning blame.

They issued warnings. This event was unprecedented and the severity unanticipated. No one - NO ONE - knew that the river was going to surge to 38 feet like it did.

So the weather service issues warnings. What happens when people disregard them, as they do EVERY SINGLE hurricane season when authorities tell people to write their SS numbers on their arms so they can be identified.

What if the warnings didn't reach enough people? Perhaps not everyone had proper service or the proper equipment to receive such warnings. And even if they did, what if they turned the notifications off, or ignored the warnings, thinking it wasn't that serious.

There were a multitude of factors that had to fall precisely into place at the same time for this disaster to unfold as it did.

Those of you who have consistently posted what went wrong and who is to blame - how much time have you devoted to researching how you can provide resources or assistance to all the people you seem intent on gaining revenge for?
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The severity of the warning may have been appropriate for the storm at the times they were issued.

If the storm changes at 4am, the warnings change at 4am.

You can't warn for a 500 year flood at 8pm the night before if the conditions don't warrant it.
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NavasotaAg said:

For those of you that want to help, there are two groups I know of. Center Point VFD is meeting at the station at 07:30 to make teams and search plans for more of the river frontage, and another group is meeting at the Kerrville Walmart at 06:30 from what I've seen to go search Ingram and Hunt areas, although I am not familiar with who is organizing the latter.
Just fyi REK also noted this group;

https://cftexashillcountry.fcsuite.com/erp/donate/create/fund?funit_id=4201
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Anti-taxxer said:

I don't know why people are absolutely OBSESSED with assigning blame.
Because in today's society, every event, no matter what, is someone's fault so someone has to be blamed and punished.

Let's use a plane crash as an example. Since Boeing is everyone's favorite whipping boy, let's say it was a 737-MAX crashing on takeoff.

The plane crashed and on first look, no obvious cause. The crash wasn't caught on video.

Almost everyone will automatically assume it was MCAS and thus Boeing's fault.
Even if it wasn't MCAS, it is still Boeing fault, "for reasons."
Within hours, you'll have people like Scary Mary all over the media, blaming Boeing, calling for them to be prosecuted for murder, and shut down. This will be echoed by a bunch of brain dead morons all across the Internet.
Before the NTSB, etc can ever read the data recorders, lawsuits will be filed against Boeing, the engine manufacturer, the airline, and countless other entities.

Finally, the NTSB report comes out and it shows the cause was some crazy person flew a small aircraft right into the nose of the 737.

But the lawsuits will continue and either be settled, or go to trial and the defendants will still lose because people want to punish everyone possible, even though not one of them had anything to do with the cause of the crash.

Or another, more popular thing for the political right is to blame every single death, cancer, heart attack, hang nail, etc. on the WuFlu shots.

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With all that said, trying to assign blame is going to continue. The left is going to use this in the 2026 elections in Texas without a doubt. They will also do everything possible to pin it on Trump/DOGE, as we're already seeing.
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TexasRebel said:

The severity of the warning may have been appropriate for the storm at the times they were issued.

If the storm changes at 4am, the warnings change at 4am.

You can't warn for a 500 year flood at 8pm the night before if the conditions don't warrant it.
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Here's a clip about Comal's system

The gauges are linked to the sirens, so even without human intervention they sound if the river rises dangerously, and give folks a chance to literally run for their lives.
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robdoubleu said:

Here's a clip about Comal's system

The gauges are linked to the sirens, so even without human intervention they sound if the river rises dangerously, and give folks a chance to literally run for their lives.


If they require electricity they would not have worked for camp Mystic as I understand. I could see placing solar units up those canyons.
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River gauges linked to sirens.

The future is now!

Also they should hire the Hawaii missile alert guy to work at NWS New Braunfels.
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Comal County's are solar powered, as are the NWS flood gauges.
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TexasRebel said:

The severity of the warning may have been appropriate for the storm at the times they were issued.

If the storm changes at 4am, the warnings change at 4am.

You can't warn for a 500 year flood at 8pm the night before if the conditions don't warrant it.


So we agree. It was unwarranted for Dan Patrick to essentiallly throw the warning systems under the bus.

Ironic that posters take my point to be "blaming" Dan Patrick, when I'm just pointing out he shouldn't have gone there pointing finger at warning systems, when the real issue was simple fact everyone was asleep. He could have just made that point instead.
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nortex97 said:

NavasotaAg said:

For those of you that want to help, there are two groups I know of. Center Point VFD is meeting at the station at 07:30 to make teams and search plans for more of the river frontage, and another group is meeting at the Kerrville Walmart at 06:30 from what I've seen to go search Ingram and Hunt areas, although I am not familiar with who is organizing the latter.
Just fyi REK also noted this group;

https://cftexashillcountry.fcsuite.com/erp/donate/create/fund?funit_id=4201
Thank you. I sent them a $1000. Its all I can do. Meaning I can't be there to help.
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This might still be too slow

Maybe if the cabins and dwellings had repeaters?
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I saw REK at Ruidoso Downs last night. Given his ties to Kerrville I wasn't sure if the show was still going to be on or not. They announced at the start of the show that $20k for relief efforts had been raised so far at the racetrack, plus I'm sure they raised a ton more from merchandise - line was super long for the merchandise table after they said all proceeds would be donated.
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Im not crying! Youre crying
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TAMUallen said:

Im not crying! Youre crying
That made me definitely cry. The faith of babes.
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"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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As a dad to kids 8, 6 and 2, this destroyed me.

I'm playing "hotel" with my 8 year daughter this afternoon but keep checking this thread for good news.

I'm putting the phone down for awhile and being thankful for them

I just absolutely cannot fathom being in the shoes of the parents who couldn't pick their girls up from camp. Devastating.
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Update from TAMU VET

In Kerrville, the VET has remained focused on protecting and treating the hardworking canine teams that are searching for the missing. These searches have been difficult, with numerous snake bites and the challenges of navigating rough terrain. We are honored to do our part in supporting these heroes, and we're hopeful that the search missions will be able to help grieving families find closure.

We want to thank those of you who have reached out to support the VET's efforts. Currently, our mission is focused solely on the working dogs; because local veterinarians are handling the residential animal needs well, we do not plan on expanding our mission yet.

If you feel moved to support the team, contributions to our deployment mission are always appreciated. Gifts can be directed to tx.ag/SupportTheVET.

This has been a particularly solemn mission; while all loss of life is tremendously sad, the loss of young children hits particularly hard for the entire community and the state as a whole. Please keep all the folks in this region, and in other flood-ravaged areas of Texas, in your thoughts and prayers.
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That's great. Thx.
The ongoing rallying of support from throughout the community/state has been tremendous all weekend.

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nortex97 said:

That's great. Thx.
The ongoing rallying of support from throughout the community/state has been tremendous all weekend.


Don't want to give anyone false hope because of the "Just In", but that's from Saturday and not this morning.
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Sorry if I missed it but was refraining from having hope and being a downer but have the reports of two girls being found alive in trees near Comfort/Center Point been verified?
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aggiehawg said:

Sorry if I missed it but was refraining from having hope and being a downer but have the reports of two girls being found alive in trees near Comfort/Center Point been verified?


It was bad info and the story has been retracted

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Thanks for that clarification, I guess. Ooof! Been some tough days. And I am just an observer. No step grandkids involved.
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Another tragic story.
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(also unless the family told the reporter they wanted to talk about flood sirens, i kinda want to yank her silly for not focusing on Julian and trying to get into that)
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it is too easy for grifters and leaches to set up fake charities and then much of the donations goes to buy their next boat or house

why not just give to the American Red Cross?!
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it is too easy for grifters and leaches to set up fake charities and then much of the donations goes to buy their next boat or house

why not just give to the American Red Cross?!

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