Democrats Release Video Calling for the US Military to Openly Defy Trump and Hegseth

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They don't care. Stopping Trump is a "at all costs" for them. Constitution, laws, military code, patriotism, justice, simple respect for fellow humans... toss all that out for Orange Man Bad and has to be stopped.

They are sick. They are traitors. And they need to be stopped.
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Wonder if she has heard about Arctic Frost?
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will25u said:



Did this all originate outside the US? If so, I think we have additional grounds for prosecuting that cue-balled *******.
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will25u said:



She's a lying sack of ***** Nobody is using scare tactics to shut her up. Efforts are being made to hold her responsible for her violations of the law and that's the job of the FBI.
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CIA gonna CIA.
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Bet she regrets saying that crap now. Nah, more likely not.
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Might be best that it be abolished and rebooted by now. Seems to be more a force of destabilization than anything else, and that's fundamentally dishonest.
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aggiehawg said:

Bet she regrets saying that crap now. Nah, more likely not.

Sadly - deep down I'll bet she thinks Trump and the National Guard asked for this.
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Why not? He did nothing wrong, right…?
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Problem here is they/these Senators might have been right about the illegal orders. The speed boat attacks have always been on shaky ground, but ordering the killing of survivors is definitely not legal within the rule of armed conflict and Geneva conventions.

Not sure a presidential pardon would even hold water if an international war crimes tribunal were to take place and all involved were handed over. Terrible situation for our service members and government, but this news story coincides with the theater commander's resignation…who probably had a huge problem with the orders given by Hegseth.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html
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The linked article paints a grim picture but it relies on an unnamed source so consider me skeptical.

Also, killing survivors of an attack is legal under the Geneva Convention if they are still taking part in hostilities.
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GMaster0 said:

Problem here is they/these Senators might have been right about the illegal orders. The speed boat attacks have always been on shaky ground, but ordering the killing of survivors is definitely not legal within the rule of armed conflict and Geneva conventions.

Not sure a presidential pardon would even hold water if an international war crimes tribunal were to take place and all involved were handed over. Terrible situation for our service members and government, but this news story coincides with the theater commander's resignation…who probably had a huge problem with the orders given by Hegseth.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

Illegal for civilians of the government to order, or a commander in the field? (Not ask if ethical or moral, just legality). We did it in WW II. Possibly for similar reasons -- a perception they could get to shore and rejoin the war effort. That seems not have come up much, but there were notable exceptions.
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CheeseSndwch said:

The linked article paints a grim picture but it relies on an unnamed source so consider me skeptical.

Also, killing survivors of an attack is legal under the Geneva Convention if they are still taking part in hostilities.



Last I checked holding on to a piece of boat like Rose & Jack doesn't qualify for "participating in hostilities."
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CheeseSndwch said:

The linked article paints a grim picture but it relies on an unnamed source so consider me skeptical.

Also, killing survivors of an attack is legal under the Geneva Convention if they are still taking part in hostilities.

This doesn't help the government's claim when they fished two survivors of another attack out of the water and sent them back.
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Is there evidence of that occurring or is that just hyperbole?
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CheeseSndwch said:

Is there evidence of that occurring or is that just hyperbole?


According to WaPo there's video of it.

Which is why SASC just made this joint announcement:


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Wonder what was used to justify the depth charging of survivors in sea off Truk and Leyte in 1944. Problem is that was during a declared war. Yet Hegseth might look to that as far as the whole illegal orders controversy and this trap being set. But is this even something the public wants. That's a horse of a different color.
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titan said:


Wonder what was used to justify the depth charging of survivors in sea off Truk and Leyte in 1944. Problem is that was during a declared war. Yet Hegseth might look to that as far as the whole illegal orders controversy and this trap being set. But is this even something the public wants. That's a horse of a different color.



As a reminder, we tried IJN and IJA for shooting defenseless survivors.

Declared war or not, this is drilled into service members with every LOAC brief.
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Let's stop pretending Dems actually care about cartel smugglers.

The orders they don't want followed are supporting ICE taking away their slave workers/voters
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K2-HMFIC said:

titan said:


Wonder what was used to justify the depth charging of survivors in sea off Truk and Leyte in 1944. Problem is that was during a declared war. Yet Hegseth might look to that as far as the whole illegal orders controversy and this trap being set. But is this even something the public wants. That's a horse of a different color.



As a reminder, we tried IJN and IJA for shooting defenseless survivors.

Declared war or not, this is drilled into service members with every LOAC brief.

Oh, know it well. I am talking about our actions. What legal code was cited. There must have been a distinction because we did try a few real over top examples. So there must have been a line like this one where to a point, `preventing rescue to go on' was judged not the same as a Malmedy.
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The whole democratic party must have been theater kids growing up. All they do is drum up sagas to act in all the time. The Texas Dems running every few years, no, these morons who act offended when asked if their action matter. Just a bunch of toddlers.
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titan said:

K2-HMFIC said:

titan said:


Wonder what was used to justify the depth charging of survivors in sea off Truk and Leyte in 1944. Problem is that was during a declared war. Yet Hegseth might look to that as far as the whole illegal orders controversy and this trap being set. But is this even something the public wants. That's a horse of a different color.



As a reminder, we tried IJN and IJA for shooting defenseless survivors.

Declared war or not, this is drilled into service members with every LOAC brief.

Oh, know it well. I am talking about our actions. What legal code was cited. There must have been a distinction because we did try a few real over top examples. So there must have been a line like this one where to a point, `preventing rescue to go on' was judged not the same as a Malmedy.



IDK…but this was one of the first strikes that occurred, a few weeks later we ended up rescuing two survivors.

Which happened to be the same day that Holsey resigned…and his resignation is starting to make a lot more sense now.

The entire Venezuela exercise has essentially become an avatar for the realignment of American foreign policy around a new Roosevelt Corollary…but this is running into headwinds in DC from people who think it takes away from China and other threats.
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Rapier108 said:



Did that demented liar provide any evidence to support his insane opinion?
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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will25u said:



Hope law enforcement now has all your communications between your fellow minions on the video.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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He truthfully pointed out the penalty.

Democrats threatened Trump by name.

We all know, you included, what their purpose in making the video was.
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K2-HMFIC said:

CheeseSndwch said:

The linked article paints a grim picture but it relies on an unnamed source so consider me skeptical.

Also, killing survivors of an attack is legal under the Geneva Convention if they are still taking part in hostilities.



Last I checked holding on to a piece of boat like Rose & Jack doesn't qualify for "participating in hostilities."


Next you might claim that driving around in a boat full of drugs in the open ocean is not participating in hostilities.
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Democrats carrying water for drug cartels.

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Pete is playing too fast and opening his mouth on things that don't matter. Second strike incident is going to be a problem if he actually said what is claimed. He also messed up any investigation into the seditious video bunch with unlawful command influence. You keep your mouth shut while directing the investigation. It's like he lacks a good attorney to keep him from opening his mouth unnecessarily.
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Fdsa said:

Pete is playing too fast and opening his mouth on things that don't matter. Second strike incident is going to be a problem if he actually said what is claimed. He also messed up any investigation into the seditious video bunch with undue command influence. You keep your mouth shut while directing the investigation. It's like he lacks a good attorney to keep him from opening his mouth unnecessarily.

What investigation? He already provided the rationale which is a command decision not something for the judiciary nor congress to investigate. They can work on legislation and passing bills, not whether Trump used the correct place settings for a state dinner or whether Hegseth passed gas without passing out crackers.

The decision was made to fully eliminate the hostiles in order to protect broader operational security. The individuals were actively engaged in hostile terrorists activities against these United States and they were eliminated.

Trump and Peter are both on the right side of the law and the right side of history here. Cheer them on. This is America.
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For the unlawful command influence, I'm talking about the investigation on Mark Kelly…court martial will be difficult there now.
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How? If anything, it strengthens it.
 
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