Democrats Release Video Calling for the US Military to Openly Defy Trump and Hegseth

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.


If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article
  • "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.


If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

Trump's CBP says so.
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/frontline-against-fentanyl

yes, the fentanyl chain is China/india -> Mexico -> US

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More than 90% of interdicted fentanyl is stopped at Ports of Entry (POEs), where cartels attempt to smuggle it primarily in vehicles driven by U.S. citizens.





Most of the drugs are moved thru tunnels, right?


I don't know.

But, if they are, we should drop some Hellfires on those tunnels...


However, my point was that we only know where most of the drugs WE FIND are being smuggled.


We don't know for sure how the rest gets here. We can speculate, like saying it comes through tunnels, though. However, if we KNOW it comes through tunnels then we could prevent that pretty easily.
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HTownAg98 said:

richardag said:

HTownAg98 said:

richardag said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.


If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article
  • "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.


If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

Trump's CBP says so.
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/frontline-against-fentanyl
from a graph of seizures
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/drug-seizure-statistics
Fentanyl. 2025. 12.0K
Fentanyl. 2026 (FYTD) | 968


And most of the convictions are American citizens, not illegals, which makes sense, as it's a lot easier to pay American citizens who are going to be much less scrutinized to bring drugs across. https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers
From SEPTEMBER 14, 2022 3:46PM

So 12,000lbs + 968lbs =12,968 lb total
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will25u said:




That's absolutely correct what Data Republican said. There is often a strong correlation between the more highly placed and what chair occupy, and they become less and less curious. Or phrased the other way, completely incurious about investigating what facts and data are really there to look at fresh or revisit.
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titan said:

will25u said:




That's absolutely correct what Data Republican said. There is often a strong correlation between the more highly placed and what chair occupy, and they become less and less curious. Or phrased the other way, completely incurious about investigating what facts and data are really there to look at fresh or revisit.

Thank you, good read. This (from the article) caught my eye.
  • There is clearly a financial connection between Kelly and Conway that pre-dates Kelly's election to the Senate. Conway is a true behind-the-scenes Leftist power broker. Before Conway went public with his visceral opposition to National Guard deployments, Kelly was generally non-committal as to the importance and legality of such deployments. After Conway's blistering attack on Salesforce, Kelly suddenly became so opposed to National Guard deployments that he began calling for a sort of limited military coup.
Seems Kelly's morals might be up for sale to the highest bidder.
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Sen Mark Kelly, of the seditious six: "He [Hegseth] runs around on a stage talking about lethality, warrior ethos and killing people… That's not the message that should be coming from the Secretary of Defense."

That is in fact, the EXACT message that should be coming from the Secretary of War.



I guess Kelly thinks the SOD/SOW should be focused on tr@nnies and social engineering instead of working to make our military a lethal fighting force. What a clown.
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:



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Sen Mark Kelly, of the seditious six: "He [Hegseth] runs around on a stage talking about lethality, warrior ethos and killing people… That's not the message that should be coming from the Secretary of Defense."

That is in fact, the EXACT message that should be coming from the Secretary of War.



I guess Kelly thinks the SOD/SOW should be focused on tr@nnies and social engineering instead of working to make our military a lethal fighting force. What a clown.


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Guess that is why he is Secretary of War so he can issue such orders
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:



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Sen Mark Kelly, of the seditious six: "He [Hegseth] runs around on a stage talking about lethality, warrior ethos and killing people… That's not the message that should be coming from the Secretary of Defense."

That is in fact, the EXACT message that should be coming from the Secretary of War.



I guess Kelly thinks the SOD/SOW should be focused on tr@nnies and social engineering instead of working to make our military a lethal fighting force. What a clown.


Kelly's priorities

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BQ78 said:

Guess that is why he is Secretary of War so he can issue such orders

Yes, really like the shift back. Far more honest considering how many operations we undertake that are not a response to a direct attack. A bit less self-negating.
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"Secretary of Defense/War" not "Secretary of Being a Btch".

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Mollie @MZHemingway

It is not surprising that the WashPost, which originated the Russia collusion hoax, the Kavanaugh hoax, and the first Trump impeachment hoax, would run another false info op. It IS a bit surprising that the NYT isn't going along with it in their normal manner

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nah South Park nailed how cringe the way hegseth talks about the military is. the "lethal warrior" bit sounds like the kind of thing a 12 year old call of duty addict would say.
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Lloyd Austin was so so much better. Wore his face shield and masks dutifully while going AWOL as SecDef, a thing any other cabinet member in any administration would have resulted in termination.

Meanwhile, you pick on Hegseth s personality because you don't like testosterone. That's pretty sad.
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Old McDonald said:

nah South Park nailed how cringe the way hegseth talks about the military is. the "lethal warrior" bit sounds like the kind of thing a 12 year old call of duty addict would say.


Yep. As those without a backbone know, the Department of War was made to validate lifestyle choices rather than wage war against enemies of the United States.

Still waiting for the Charlie Kirk crow.

When are you going to serve it?

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Old McDonald said:

nah South Park nailed how cringe the way hegseth talks about the military is. the "lethal warrior" bit sounds like the kind of thing a 12 year old call of duty addict would say.

Using South Park as a serious measure for rational political thought is a child's take.
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bobbranco said:

Using South Park as a serious measure for rational political thought is a child's take.


Well............
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Before Trump, George Will was generally considered to be a rightwing conservative. He still is, but MAGA extremism now makes him sound more like a moderate centrist.

Will: "The killing of the survivors by this moral slum of an administration should nauseate Americans. A nation incapable of shame is dangerous, not least to itself. As the recent "peace plan" for Ukraine demonstrated."

DECEIT
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74OA said:

Before Trump, George Will was generally considered to be a rightwing conservative. He still is, but MAGA extremism now makes him sound more like a moderate centrist.

Will: "The killing of the survivors by this moral slum of an administration should nauseate Americans. A nation incapable of shame is dangerous, not least to itself. As the recent "peace plan" for Ukraine demonstrated."

DECEIT

Before Trump no one care what this dude thought about anything, and after Trump they still dont. OH, after Trump is gone they wont care either.....
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74OA said:

Before Trump, George Will was generally considered to be a rightwing conservative. He still is, but MAGA extremism now makes him sound more like a moderate centrist.

Will: "The killing of the survivors by this moral slum of an administration should nauseate Americans. A nation incapable of shame is dangerous, not least to itself. As the recent "peace plan" for Ukraine demonstrated."

DECEIT

He has an extreme case of TDS. I don't recall him being so critical of the malfeasant degenerates that worked overtime to destroy our country during the corrupt Biden and Obama administrations.

American conservatives have moved left if anything. The idea that the modern American right has moved to extremes is idiotic at best. American conservatives are moderate if you are limiting your analysis to a left vs right ideological spectrum.

The difference you and Will are seeing is that American conservatives are embracing politicians that no longer bend over and take it from the corrupt Democrats and their massive propaganda machine while their influence continues to cause government policy and American culture to drift ever leftward.

When a supposed "conservative" is more critical of Republicans than the POS Democrats, that should be your first clue that they are FOS. That's not saying that Republicans aren't massively deserving of criticism, because they are, but from the conservative perspective the Democrat party is much much worse and much bigger problem.
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Who the hell is George WIll? Is he like George Takei? Seems so...
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74OA said:

Before Trump, George Will was generally considered to be a rightwing conservative. He still is, but MAGA extremism now makes him sound more like a moderate centrist.

Will: "The killing of the survivors by this moral slum of an administration should nauseate Americans. A nation incapable of shame is dangerous, not least to itself. As the recent "peace plan" for Ukraine demonstrated."

DECEIT

George Will is just another fraud. It isn't new. He's a Liz Cheney "republican" like those pedophiles at the Lincoln Project. Bill Kristol, et al.

He is not, nor was he ever actually conservative.
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samurai_science said:

74OA said:

Before Trump, George Will was generally considered to be a rightwing conservative. He still is, but MAGA extremism now makes him sound more like a moderate centrist.

Will: "The killing of the survivors by this moral slum of an administration should nauseate Americans. A nation incapable of shame is dangerous, not least to itself. As the recent "peace plan" for Ukraine demonstrated."

DECEIT

Before Trump no one care what this dude thought about anything, and after Trump they still dont. OH, after Trump is gone they wont care either.....

He actually got shot down in 2013 by O'Reilly over some of the Reagan story. Believe Levin supported the O'Reilly take. Can't say for sure -- but there was sense star was waning then.
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74OA said:

Before Trump, George Will was generally considered to be a rightwing conservative. He still is, but MAGA extremism now makes him sound more like a moderate centrist.

Will: "The killing of the survivors by this moral slum of an administration should nauseate Americans. A nation incapable of shame is dangerous, not least to itself. As the recent "peace plan" for Ukraine demonstrated."

DECEIT




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In later years, he became a critic of Republican politicians, including Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Donald Trump. Will's disapproval of Trump's presidential campaign led him to become an independent in 2016, and he subsequently voted for Joe Biden in 2020, and stated in September 2024 he would be voting for Kamala Harris in the 2024 election.

This guy was so right-wing he disliked Palin and Gingrich and became independent before Trump ever took office. Then he voted for Biden and Kamala.

There is not a right-wing or conservative bone nor brain cell is this demented 84 yo columnist for the WASHINGTON POST.

Fake news is fake news.
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This guy was so right-wing he disliked Palin and Gingrich and became independent before Trump ever took office. Then he voted for Biden and Kamala.

Prologue doesn't matter then. Any that voted for Biden and Kamala that willfully is more swamp and Dem than any just reflexive Democrat voter doing what they always did, just like their Repub counterparts.
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aggieforester05 said:

74OA said:

Before Trump, George Will was generally considered to be a rightwing conservative. He still is, but MAGA extremism now makes him sound more like a moderate centrist.

Will: "The killing of the survivors by this moral slum of an administration should nauseate Americans. A nation incapable of shame is dangerous, not least to itself. As the recent "peace plan" for Ukraine demonstrated."

DECEIT

He has an extreme case of TDS. I don't recall him being so critical of the malfeasant degenerates that worked overtime to destroy our country during the corrupt Biden and Obama administrations.

American conservatives have moved left if anything. The idea that the modern American right has moved to extremes is idiotic at best. American conservatives are moderate if you are limiting your analysis to a left vs right ideological spectrum.

The difference you and Will are seeing is that American conservatives are embracing politicians that no longer bend over and take it from the corrupt Democrats and their massive propaganda machine while their influence continues to cause government policy and American culture to drift ever leftward.

When a supposed "conservative" is more critical of Republicans than the POS Democrats, that should be your first clue that they are FOS. That's not saying that Republicans aren't massively deserving of criticism, because they are, but from the conservative perspective the Democrat party is much much worse and much bigger problem.

Will voted for Biden and Harris.

Not too conservative there...
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captkirk said:



That guy :

1) lisps like a ghey
2) sounds stupid as hell
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Make it the "Seditious 7." Hegseth said in 2016 that the military has an obligation to not follow unlawful orders. Seditionists. All of them. When will the libs learn.
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Ohhhhh, dis gonna get good
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txwxman said:

Make it the "Seditious 7." Hegseth said in 2016 that the military has an obligation to not follow unlawful orders. Seditionists. All of them. When will the libs learn.

Wasn't that in an interview on a news channel and not a video, made as an official of the govt?

Kind of different to those of us with IQs above our shoe size.
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txwxman said:

Make it the "Seditious 7." Hegseth said in 2016 that the military has an obligation to not follow unlawful orders. Seditionists. All of them. When will the libs learn.

What a legitimate criticism. Wait, no it isn't.

That's the next response, a month after the fact?

Libs REALLY hate killing terrorists.
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will25u said:



Some retired veterans should make a response ad telling them to STFU, etc.
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