Anyone who has held military ucmj authority knows you don't say anything prior to an investigation to avoid inadvertently "influencing" the outcome of an investigation. Any defense attorney for Mark Kelly will pull this card on Pete with his tweets as exhibit A…there was no purpose to him opening his mouth there.


"Undue command influence, also known as unlawful command influence, is the improper use or appearance of a military commander's authority to interfere with a military judicial proceeding. This can include pressuring witnesses, intimidating court members, or influencing the outcome of a trial to protect careers or achieve a desired result, which is considered a serious threat to the fairness of the military justice system. Both actual and apparent influence are prohibited, with the mere appearance of influence being enough to violate military law."

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The linked article paints a grim picture but it relies on an unnamed source so consider me skeptical.

Also, killing survivors of an attack is legal under the Geneva Convention if they are still taking part in hostilities.

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Last I checked holding on to a piece of boat like Rose & Jack doesn't qualify for "participating in hostilities."

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Next you might claim that driving around in a boat full of drugs in the open ocean is not participating in hostilities.

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Maybe someone at DOD told Hegseth that shooting people floating in the ocean was different than shooting someone running drugs in a boat and could land his ass in jail, because they haven't done it since.

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bobbranco said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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CheeseSndwch said:

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The linked article paints a grim picture but it relies on an unnamed source so consider me skeptical.

Also, killing survivors of an attack is legal under the Geneva Convention if they are still taking part in hostilities.

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Last I checked holding on to a piece of boat like Rose & Jack doesn't qualify for "participating in hostilities."

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Next you might claim that driving around in a boat full of drugs in the open ocean is not participating in hostilities.

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Maybe someone at DOD told Hegseth that shooting people floating in the ocean was different than shooting someone running drugs in a boat and could land his ass in jail, because they haven't done it since.

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Trump could pardon him, though I think it's customary for one to break the law before being remanded to prison.

Here, the need for the kill order went away when the operation was revealed (whether that occurred willingly or through leak, unauthorized disclosure).

Sorry the "good guys" didn't get to make Abrego-Garcia's out of poor flotsam fishermen.

If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

For your ETA, I was referring to the overall operation being leaked / disclosed not the insinuation by anonymous sources this week that Hegseth had some big Kill 'Em All Boner.

So maybe first attack or first 3 he maintained full kill orders, then adjusted for (insert whatever reason because it's his call) and changed to pickup "survivors". Does not matter to me, he is the one entrusted with this judgment call and it is NOT, canNOT, be questioned, except by POTUS.

In lib world, young girls and unborn babies have no rights.

If you are a white male, lib world not only removes your rights but teaches you to hate yourself based on your weenus and skin color.

Bizarro world they want to live in.

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In lib world, young girls and unborn babies have no rights.

If you are a white male, lib world not only removes your rights but teaches you to hate yourself based on your weenus and skin color.

Bizarro world they want to live in.

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Yep, their opinions and fake ass "concern" on this thread should be completely ignored. Hypocrites. They're like the people who cry crocodile tears over border detention facilities when Trump is prez but completely ignore the same under Hussein Obama (America's first gay president).

Annihilating cartel savages from above is awesome. Anyone who disagrees is insane.

flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How's that working out for stopping the influx of drugs and the willingness of people to continue to do so?

HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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And it hasn't been enough. Maybe taking the fight to them might help, it's worth a shot. I just don't understand why so many of you are trying to virtue signal "sadness" or "concern" about it. It's crazy. We get it, you hate Trump. And you hate Hegseth. And most likely love Hussein.

Why can't some of yall just ditch the charades and just say that? You might earn an ounce of respect that way.

HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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And it hasn't been enough. Maybe taking the fight to them might help, it's worth a shot. I just don't understand why so many of you are trying to virtue signal "sadness" or "concern" about it. It's crazy. We get it, you hate Trump. And you hate Hegseth. And most likely love Hussein.

Why can't some of yall just ditch the charades and just say that? You might earn an ounce of respect that way.

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I'm not sad about the little smuggler dying…but IF true - I still don't know I believe a second strike was ordered - it's a completely unnecessary mess to get oneself into. More to the story needs to come out. It doesn't make sense right now.

Fdsa said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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And it hasn't been enough. Maybe taking the fight to them might help, it's worth a shot. I just don't understand why so many of you are trying to virtue signal "sadness" or "concern" about it. It's crazy. We get it, you hate Trump. And you hate Hegseth. And most likely love Hussein.

Why can't some of yall just ditch the charades and just say that? You might earn an ounce of respect that way.

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I'm not sad about the little smuggler dying…but IF true - I still don't know I believe a second strike was ordered - it's a completely unnecessary mess to get oneself into. More to the story needs to come out. It doesn't make sense right now.

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Did you ever vote for Hussein Obama? Just curious.

More from Hegseth:

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As we've said from the beginning, and in every statement, these highly effective strikes are specifically intended to be "lethal, kinetic strikes." The declared intent is to stop lethal drugs, destroy narco-boats, and kill the narco-terrorists who are poisoning the American people. Every trafficker we kill is affiliated with a Designated Terrorist Organization.

The Biden administration preferred the kid gloves approach, allowing millions of people including dangerous cartels and unvetted Afghans to flood our communities with drugs and violence. The Trump administration has sealed the border and gone on offense against narco-terrorists. Biden coddled terrorists, we kill them.

Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all actions in compliance with the law of armed conflictand approved by the best military and civilian lawyers, up and down the chain of command.

Our warriors in SOUTHCOM put their lives on the line every day to protect the Homeland from narco-terrorists and I will ALWAYS have their back.

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Seems like Hegseth followed the advice of Slotkin and Kelly and checked with JAG and other lawyers to make sure the orders were lawful and in compliance with US and international law. But for libs, they want more. Always more. Because heaven forbid Trump is actually allowed to lead this Country to greatness.

It's beyond time for Dems/libs to stfu, sit down and let Trump fix things they have been destroying our Country with.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Fdsa said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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And it hasn't been enough. Maybe taking the fight to them might help, it's worth a shot. I just don't understand why so many of you are trying to virtue signal "sadness" or "concern" about it. It's crazy. We get it, you hate Trump. And you hate Hegseth. And most likely love Hussein.

Why can't some of yall just ditch the charades and just say that? You might earn an ounce of respect that way.

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I'm not sad about the little smuggler dying…but IF true - I still don't know I believe a second strike was ordered - it's a completely unnecessary mess to get oneself into. More to the story needs to come out. It doesn't make sense right now.

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Did you ever vote for Hussein Obama? Just curious.

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never voted for a dem, ever. Also, prefer to be efficient in carrying out business without creating unnecessary legal trouble. Again, the story doesn't make sense to me as stated, so could be nothing.

Some just want to make sure Trump is following the rules, nothing more to it than that, right?

No, they are looking for any and every way to undermine Trump, stop him from leading, then try and regain power so they can follow Lord Soros into the New World Order.

They care not for America.

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

HTownAg98 said:

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

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Yeah, we should be sinking all those border-crossing ships.

Post. Haste!

Their reasoning, as has been stated over and over again, is to stop drugs from coming in to the United States by stopping all illegal transport of drugs that have the POTENTIAL to make it to the United States. If headed to Europe, that is fine to since we are allies.

Trying to act like it's not justified because "everyone knows on Tuesdays narco only ships cocaine to Germany and this strike was on a Tuesday so it's not against the law" is a losing argument.

Trump warned these guys to quite shipping via boats, has continued to warn them and decided more teaching is needed to ensure compliance.

Why be so against this? Truly bizarre.

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Their reasoning, as has been stated over and over again, is to stop drugs from coming in to the United States by stopping all illegal transport of drugs that have the POTENTIAL to make it to the United States. If headed to Europe, that is fine to since we are allies.

Trying to act like it's not justified because "everyone knows on Tuesdays narco only ships cocaine to Germany and this strike was on a Tuesday so it's not against the law" is a losing argument.

Trump warned these guys to quite shipping via boats, has continued to warn them and decided more teaching is needed to ensure compliance.

Why be so against this? Truly bizarre.

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"Whew, thankfully we're in open waters and Trump can't just....</BOOOOOOOM!>"

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Unnamed sources...some of you folks need serious help.

The same people reporting this told you the Wuhan Flu came from bats, Trump was pissing on a hooker in Moscow, Hunter was a saint and it wasn't really his laptop, Russia, Russia, Russia; the Vaccine would prevent the Wuhan flu, Joe Biden was a genius, Kamala had an IQ higher than a Somali Pirate, Kavanaugh was running rape gangs, Maryland man, et al, ad nauseum.

TDS is not only real, it's getting more virulent. I think you guys need to put some energy into a vaccine for that.

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You left out suckers and losers hoax and him refusing to go to Normandy cause he didn't like the rain it was a waste of time. oh, and he took war plans with China and showed them to a reporter bragging about all the other files he has and could share if he wanted.

HTownAg98 said:

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

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Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

Again, this is all just the excuse.

What they really want is to create enough chaos to get the military to stop protecting ICE so they can unleash ANTIFA against them because they know illegal aliens are the difference in the 2030 census between a GOP controlled House by 3 and one by 20-27.

richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

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Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

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Trump's CBP says so.
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/frontline-against-fentanyl
And most of the convictions are American citizens, not illegals, which makes sense, as it's a lot easier to pay American citizens who are going to be much less scrutinized to bring drugs across. https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers

The pigs in the media only care about destroying the west and America. Here is a clip regarding all the fake U.S. political accounts. Note the title. The whole piece concentrated on Trump/conservative accounts. There were plenty of fake DNC/lib accounts. The urinalist didn't mention a single fake one of them. Didn't spend ONE SECOND on fake lefty sites. They are scum !!!

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

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Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

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Trump's CBP says so.
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/frontline-against-fentanyl

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yes, the fentanyl chain is China/india -> Mexico -> US

The poltroonery of the left clearly out in force against Hegseth and America.

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

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How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

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Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

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Trump's CBP says so.
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/frontline-against-fentanyl

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yes, the fentanyl chain is China/india -> Mexico -> US

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More than 90% of interdicted fentanyl is stopped at Ports of Entry (POEs), where cartels attempt to smuggle it primarily in vehicles driven by U.S. citizens.

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

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If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

---

How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

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Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

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Trump's CBP says so.
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/frontline-against-fentanyl

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yes, the fentanyl chain is China/india -> Mexico -> US

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More than 90% of interdicted fentanyl is stopped at Ports of Entry (POEs), where cartels attempt to smuggle it primarily in vehicles driven by U.S. citizens.

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Most of the drugs are moved thru tunnels, right?

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HTownAg98 said:

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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richardag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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If shooting someone clinging to a piece of fiberglass was a-ok, at least in your eyes, then why did they stop shooting them in later encounters? If your opinion was they decided while legally fine, it presented some moral problems, I can at least believe that.
ETA: detaining survivors of these attacks happened before this all came out, so stopping because it was leaked doesn't hold water.

---

If the innocent fisherman floating in the water was getting on a radio to tell other terrorist of the attack, endangering potential ongoing and future operations, then he gets another dose of medicine.

And who is to say they don't start booby-trapping these guys or putting locators in them to gather intel on US military operations?

You are assuming these guys are innocent. When they boarded that boat full of narcotics they became an enemy of the United States. An enemy currently engaged in a hostile action against the USA. Updating their mode of transportation doesn't change that.

What you are suggesting is that we hit a big time out button midstream, so we can go in and tend to the wounded enemies, who may or may not try to harm us during these "rescue" operations and whose continued existence directly threatens the lives of US soldiers.

Why is that hard ton understand?

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You mean do things just like how the US Coast Guard does every single day? So far, they've seized over 121 tons of cocaine, and did it without sinking a boat. Seems like they know how to do this.

---

How many tons of cocaine got by the Coast Guard? How much they seized is misleading to the question at hand. Fentanyl is orders of magnitude more lethal so smaller quantities need be smuggled. How many tons of fentanyl missed by the Coast Guard is this question.
Does any absolute proof exist Pete Hegseth gave orders to kill survivors after the initial strike?
Pete Hegseth lashes out at 'kill them all' report on boat strikes
quote from the article

• "As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit our incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland," Hegseth, 45, said in a Nov. 28 post on X.

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If the reasoning is to stop fentanyl coming in, then these sinkings are even dumber because the vast majority of fentanyl coming to the US comes across the border with Mexico, as Mexico has replaced China as the largest producer.

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Do you have absolute proof of your statement that the majority of fentanyl comes across the border from Mexico?
After the illegal aliens were close to 100% stopped from crossing the border my guess is so did the drug trafficking, although I could be wrong.
Even so, the use of lethal force should hamper these drug traffickers and be effective. No need to arrest, go to court nor house in prison.

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Trump's CBP says so.
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/frontline-against-fentanyl

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yes, the fentanyl chain is China/india -> Mexico -> US

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Quote:

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More than 90% of interdicted fentanyl is stopped at Ports of Entry (POEs), where cartels attempt to smuggle it primarily in vehicles driven by U.S. citizens.

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Most of the drugs are moved thru tunnels, right?

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Fentanyl by cars and persons. But that picture needs to be how the boats and bodies of these Venezuelan narco-terrorists need to look like. Kill em all.

You know, it was @DataRepublican's post here:https://t.co/nsw7MJzsPS

That inspired me to do some quick sleuthing online to come up with this article.

She is 100% correct--this sort of information is all out there for the taking, you just have to go looking for it and connect… https://t.co/3aIpgFxi7K

— Cynical Publius (@CynicalPublius) December 1, 2025

https://t.co/Fm7nPaPwOe

— Cynical Publius (@CynicalPublius) December 1, 2025