AtomicActuator said:

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I don't think they were hinting at the drug boat strikes, but the domestic operations against citizens, regardless of whether they are drug related.

In any case, the drug boat strikes are almost certainly legal orders, even if not legal under international law.

Their oath is to the constitution, not international law.

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What domestic operations against citizens?

sharpdressedman said:

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When do the democrat inspired and encouraged riots and killings begin?

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Wait...they STOPPED?!

flown-the-coop said:

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ETFan said:

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We're in the upside down.

What does the bold even mean? Of course they'd have to decide what's illegal and not. Reminding them of this is in no way saying to just willy nilly orders or disobey anything. You're reaching so, so hard to protect dear leader.

But keep defending that absolute pos.

EDIT: Second bold. No they won't. What is wrong with you?

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So we need a 1.3 million opinions on what is legal or not? Seems like something a liberal would say.

What are you NOT understanding about the rules? For a soldier to refuse, it must be absolutely clear the order is unlawful AND then it is subject to determination from a military judge.

If judge says it was lawful, the soldier is going to find themselves no longer a soldier and likely behind bars.

There is no "I said no because I thought maybe Trump was wrong and I didn't really want to do it so I refused. We cool?" approach to this.

What your side is suggesting is unlawful and extremely dangerous.

People are strange to encourage mutiny, rebellion in our armed forces in order to protect drug runners, sex traffickers, and illegal aliens who rape young women and eat peoples dogs / cats.

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Which illegals are eating dogs and cats? That's a pretty strong accusation. Cite verified sources. Note: Hearsay is not a source in itself needs to be corroborated

This guy is fine with rapists and murderers but draws the line at eating pets. What a wild world we live in.

Haitians. Very common in their culture to consume animals as such to take over their spirits. Vodou.

If you fell for the "it was made up" nonsense, then sorry your gal Kamala lost.

RogerFurlong said:

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This guy is fine with rapists and murderers but draws the line at eating pets. What a wild world we live in.

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Show me where I said such a thing.

Flagged.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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What domestic operations against citizens?

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All of them.

AtomicActuator said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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What domestic operations against citizens?

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All of them.

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Well those are lawful, so I guess you want to see soldiers be court martialed?

I mean, I know libs are anti-military but this seems a bit much to encourage such lawbreaking.

Courts have split on that question, but regardless I'm talking about the risk of unlawful orders coming down during a domestic deployment, not the deployment itself.

AtomicActuator said:

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Courts have split on that question, but regardless I'm talking about the risk of unlawful orders coming down during a domestic deployment, not the deployment itself.

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What risk? And why would it be different than any other deployment?

flown-the-coop said:

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Haitians. Very common in their culture to consume animals as such to take over their spirits. Vodou.

If you fell for the "it was made up" nonsense, then sorry your gal Kamala lost.

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Again show me evidence that there are Haitians illegally here (or even legally here) and eating pets. You made the accusation.

Asking for this proof has nothing to do with who I didn't vote for so stop deflecting.

flown-the-coop said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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I don't think they were hinting at the drug boat strikes, but the domestic operations against citizens, regardless of whether they are drug related.

In any case, the drug boat strikes are almost certainly legal orders, even if not legal under international law.

Their oath is to the constitution, not international law.

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So then you admit how dangerous this is since they provided no examples references or circumstances.

All they did was weaken or national defense. Scumbag traitors. A dishonor to people who did take their oaths of office seriously.

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Exactly.

• The organizers first job is to create the issues or problems, and organizations must be based on many issues. The organizer must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.
• The most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired results.
• It is a world not of angels but of angles, where men speak of moral principles but act on power principles; a world where we are always moral and our enemies always immoral.
• The fourth rule is: "Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules." You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.

~ Saul Alinsky
These idiots are

• creating controversy by false implications.
• the most effective means is by implication that illegal orders have been given, which is a lie.
• They are using a moral belief in justice and implying President Trump's Administration is not following the Constitution and morality.
• they are using a law on the books to prevent the abuse of power which they know or are too stupid to see the truth

Some of these people are unaware of how they are being manipulated, some are complicit and are snickering to themselves what an ingenious plan this is to sway the public and some are undoubtedly responsible for this utter

Anyone considering voting for any Democratic candidate should immediately reconsider their voting preferences.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Haitians. Very common in their culture to consume animals as such to take over their spirits. Vodou.

If you fell for the "it was made up" nonsense, then sorry your gal Kamala lost.

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Again show me evidence that there are Haitians illegally here (or even legally here) and eating pets. You made the accusation.

Asking for this proof has nothing to do with who I didn't vote for so stop deflecting.

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I usually do not oblige such lazy demands of "proof", but here you are.

You can make a donation to a charity of your choice for being wrong.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/haiti-voodoo-culture-eating-animals-humans-jack-brewer

https://lifesadventure.club/2024/09/14/the-role-of-animal-sacrifice-in-haitian-vodou-religion/

https://floridianpress.com/2024/09/florida-lawmaker-confirms-pet-eating-is-happening-in-u-s/

flown-the-coop said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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Courts have split on that question, but regardless I'm talking about the risk of unlawful orders coming down during a domestic deployment, not the deployment itself.

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What risk? And why would it be different than any other deployment?

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How is that not obvious? When the adversary you are being deployed against is the American people, then the constitutionality of orders is critical. Not so much on foreign soil or contested ground during an actual invasion.

Civil war before the next election, appears both sides are heating up.

And does this enemy wear uniforms? Is there any way to distinguish them from citizens by looking at them? (And treating all brown people as the enemy doesn't count)

No, so then they are inevitably going to be making a whole lot of contact with Americans.

At first my thought was "damn it, why did you say that Trump". Now that I've seen how the libs are defending and acting like the dems did nothing wrong with that video, I really don't care that Trump said it.

flown-the-coop said:

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zag213004 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Haitians. Very common in their culture to consume animals as such to take over their spirits. Vodou.

If you fell for the "it was made up" nonsense, then sorry your gal Kamala lost.

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Again show me evidence that there are Haitians illegally here (or even legally here) and eating pets. You made the accusation.

Asking for this proof has nothing to do with who I didn't vote for so stop deflecting.

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I usually do not oblige such lazy demands of "proof", but here you are.

You can make a donation to a charity of your choice for being wrong.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/haiti-voodoo-culture-eating-animals-humans-jack-brewer

https://lifesadventure.club/2024/09/14/the-role-of-animal-sacrifice-in-haitian-vodou-religion/

https://floridianpress.com/2024/09/florida-lawmaker-confirms-pet-eating-is-happening-in-u-s/

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James Clapper would call this the "kill shot".
Unfortunately people are digging their heels in in support for what these military people that called on troops to disobey illegal orders, while at the same time denying the reasons they said it without stating which orders were illegal. The underlying reasons is transparently obvious

• to imply President Trum's Administration has already given illegal orders which is a blatant lie.
• sow discord in the American public.
• give the nut cases out there reason to kill ICE, state & federal police, national guard and military personnel.

These people in their complete arrogance have exposed the very dark underbelly of the Democratic Party leadership.

sharpdressedman said:

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When do the democrat inspired and encouraged riots and killings begin?

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Try something. See how that goes for you.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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At first my thought was "damn it, why did you say that Trump". Now that I've seen how the libs are defending and acting like the dems did nothing wrong with that video, I really don't care that Trump said it.

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He should have just said to these miserable people, please tell us to what Unconstitutional illegal orders are you referring.
President Trump has just given them more ammunition to attack him and the MSM will certainly oblige.

AtomicActuator said:

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And does this enemy wear uniforms? Is there any way to distinguish them from citizens by looking at them? (And treating all brown people as the enemy doesn't count)

No, so then they are inevitably going to be making a whole lot of contact with Americans.

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My god! What will Americans do if they encounter an American soldier in the flesh?!?

You must feel for the many civilians workers that support the military and the anxiety they endure being around people in uniform.

What sort of uniforms do the Taliban wear? 09/11 hijackers? rapists?

If this is your rationale, its pretty damn weak.

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Welcome to the wrong side of history I guess.

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Say when.

It would appear that he didn't even read his own sources.
Number one is by a guy that claims that in Haiti they are eating cats and dogs out of desperation. He also claims to have video evidence of cannibalism, so not exactly the most believable source.
Number two confirms that voodoo has an element of animal sacrifice which everyone already knows. It also contains the line "these claims have been debunked"
Number 3 is a politician making the same claim about people eating random animals, specifically horses. Horse meat is not uncommon to eat some areas of the world, so this isn't nearly as sensational as it sounds.

Oh joy, looks like all the Epsteiners have found their next cause de jour to completely meltdown over.

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It would appear that he didn't even read his own sources.
Number one is by a guy that claims that in Haiti they are eating cats and dogs out of desperation. He also claims to have video evidence of cannibalism, so not exactly the most believable source.
Number two confirms that voodoo has an element of animal sacrifice which everyone already knows. It also contains the line "these claims have been debunked"
Number 3 is a politician making the same claim about people eating random animals, specifically horses. Horse meat is not uncommon to eat some areas of the world, so this isn't nearly as sensational as it sounds.

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Do you have proof that there has never been a Haitian who has consumed a cat or dog?

My dad used to shoot and sell skinned cats in Hearne, TX growing up in the 40's/50's.

Poor, hungry people eat lots of different things.

You see why its fruitless to engage in this? You are no sooner to convince me that Haitians do NOT eat cats and dogs than I am to convince you.

Believe what you want to believe. I will believe my own eyes and life experiences thank you.

So according to you this isn't a Haitian thing, but an ongoing American thing that has been going on for 60+ years.
It is amusing that you suddenly want to agree to disagree when your "evidence" is called out as BS.

OMG did an Ag just cite lifesadventure.club and expect to be taken seriously? Must be a lib trying to make Trump supporters look incompetent. The libs are everywhere folks…behind the bushes, under the porch, and hiding around every corner. Stay sharp patriots.

flown-the-coop said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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And does this enemy wear uniforms? Is there any way to distinguish them from citizens by looking at them? (And treating all brown people as the enemy doesn't count)

No, so then they are inevitably going to be making a whole lot of contact with Americans.

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My god! What will Americans do if they encounter an American soldier in the flesh?!?

You must feel for the many civilians workers that support the military and the anxiety they endure being around people in uniform.

What sort of uniforms do the Taliban wear? 09/11 hijackers? rapists?

If this is your rationale, its pretty damn weak.

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Just look up the posse comitatus act and the rationale behind it for my rebuttal to that. There's very good reasons we don't want the military doing domestic law enforcement.

I don't know about Haitians or even here in the United States, but when I worked in field services for a major military contractor we had a server with a lot of miscellaneous travel/job information about locations all over the world. There was a folder from Korea. It was full of photos from one of our employees or contractors travel there. There were pictures of dogs and cats for sale on the road side in cages. Other pictures were cooked and raw carcasses of cats and dogs for sale on the road side.

Pretty disturbing stuff, but a different culture and not many animals are off limits to starving populations. Even when those cultures emerge out of starvation, it's not unthinkable that some of them would continue their old habits of eating cats and dogs. Especially if it is more economically accessible to them than other options such as beef, pork, or chicken. I'd be more surprised if desperate third world citizens weren't eating cats and dogs in their home country. Again it's not unthinkable that some immigrants would continue that habit once the arrive in the United States.

The left's refusal to believe that Haitians would stoop to eating dog goes against all common sense.

AtomicActuator said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AtomicActuator said:

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And does this enemy wear uniforms? Is there any way to distinguish them from citizens by looking at them? (And treating all brown people as the enemy doesn't count)

No, so then they are inevitably going to be making a whole lot of contact with Americans.

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My god! What will Americans do if they encounter an American soldier in the flesh?!?

You must feel for the many civilians workers that support the military and the anxiety they endure being around people in uniform.

What sort of uniforms do the Taliban wear? 09/11 hijackers? rapists?

If this is your rationale, its pretty damn weak.

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Just look up the posse comitatus act and the rationale behind it for my rebuttal to that. There's very good reasons we don't want the military doing domestic law enforcement.

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They aren't. HTH.

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• to imply President Trum's Administration has already given illegal orders which is a blatant lie.
• sow discord in the American public.
• give the nut cases out there reason to kill ICE, state & federal police, national guard and military personnel.

These people in their complete arrogance have exposed the very dark underbelly of the Democratic Party leadership.

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Yep. It is no different than constantly calling people "fascists" and "nazis" and increasingly turning up the volume of rhetoric. Charlie Kirk got killed because of it.

This is planting a seed for people to think it is OK to defy orders they personally disagree with, even if they're 100% legal. It is meant to degrade our military.

This is sowing division in an attempt to undermine the country and the rule of law.

Evidently if you do not provide NFT certified videos from multiple sources and a peer-reviewed study of such then its just made up MAGA stories.

Despite seeing it with my own eyes, knowing others who have seen such behavior, multitude of accounts such as yours and just a general understanding of people & cultures.

Some folks will not believe something just because Trump said it and Trump is a big fat meany old orange liar.