ETFan said:
Trump is retruthing posts calling for congress members to be hung.
The violent left everyone.
Good thing he did not call for them to be hanged, cause that would indeed be violent.
How hung do we want our congress members?
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Good thing he did not call for them to be hanged, cause that would indeed be violent.
How hung do we want our congress members?
AtomicActuator said:
Nothing they said was incorrect. It is in fact their duty to not follow illegal orders. This isn't new or even broadly controversial.
The only controversy is whether or not any given order is actually illegal. And from the perspective of the person receiving a questionable order, it's a terrible position where you are potentially going to be tried for a crime regardless of what you do, and a judge or jury will decide if you made the right choice maybe years later.
Ideally we need our commander in chief and the military leadership to only issue orders that are unquestionably legal except in the most rare and grave circumstances.
Agreed.
And, to date, nothing "illegal" has been given as an order.
You don't want to be droned as a narco-terrorist? Don't be a narco-terrorist.
I seem to have been able to do that for 54+ yrs. Not that hard.
ETFan said:aggieforester05 said:ETFan said:
Video reminding military their oath are to the constitution and not dear leader, to not obey illegal orders. Soldier, sailer, Marine, etc 101. Basic *****
Texags "SEDITION!!!"
Maybe step back and consider why they felt this basic reminder was necessary instead of jumping in to your feels.
That is not at all what they're doing, but that is the legal cover they're dancing around. What they say is not inaccurate, but they intentionally omit what these "illegal orders" are. They want our service members to refuse to enforce immigration laws and protect our cities from criminals when ordered to do so, while taking all of the risk. Their omission gives them plausible deniability, because they are cowards that don't care at all about our military service members.
There's not a single POS Democrat that will stand up for them when they're brought in front UCMJ tribunal for refusing orders. They are self serving unAmerican scum bags that belong nowhere near the levers of power, especially with regards to the life and limb of our service members and you know it.
Kelly is scum? Hint, they all served and none of them are scum.
The potus is scum, you know it, America knows it.
Kelly is less than scum.
Bad people can serve in law enforcement, the CIA and the military. Robert Hanssen served in the FBI… "we must respect his service!"
flown-the-coop said:ETFan said:
Trump is retruthing posts calling for congress members to be hung.
The violent left everyone.
Good thing he did not call for them to be hanged, cause that would indeed be violent.
How hung do we want our congress members?
Know how I know you're gay? / 40yr old Virgin meme
I don't think they were hinting at the drug boat strikes, but the domestic operations against citizens, regardless of whether they are drug related.
In any case, the drug boat strikes are almost certainly legal orders, even if not legal under international law.
Their oath is to the constitution, not international law.
In any case, the drug boat strikes are almost certainly legal orders, even if not legal under international law.
Their oath is to the constitution, not international law.
AtomicActuator said:
Nothing they said was incorrect. It is in fact their duty to not follow illegal orders. This isn't new or even broadly controversial.
The only controversy is whether or not any given order is actually illegal. And from the perspective of the person receiving a questionable order, it's a terrible position where you are potentially going to be tried for a crime regardless of what you do, and a judge or jury will decide if you made the right choice maybe years later.
Ideally we need our commander in chief and the military leadership to only issue orders that are unquestionably legal except in the most rare and grave circumstances.
We need a military where subordinates do not question orders in the heat of battle.
What Slotkin and he co-operatives have done is to sow doubt, discourse and insubordination through our military ranks. It's disgusting, unpatriotic and potentially against the law. They can and they will be investigated for this.
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Do I have the right to refuse illegal orders?
Yes! All members of the military have the right, and in some cases have the duty, to refuse illegal orders. Your oath is to the Constitution (which incorporates international treaties ratified by the U.S. on human rights and the law of war), not to the Commander-In-Chief or to any other individual in the chain of command.
Under the UCMJ, a servicemember may be punished by court-martial for failure to obey any lawful general order or regulation. The UCMJ does not define what "lawful" means. The Rules for Courts-Martial say that an order is lawful, "unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it." The Rules go on to say that, "This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime." Finally, the Rules say, "The lawfulness of an order is a question of law to be determined by the military judge." That determination normally can be made only after a servicemember refuses or obeys an order, in a court martial or a war crimes tribunal.
AtomicActuator said:
I don't think they were hinting at the drug boat strikes, but the domestic operations against citizens, regardless of whether they are drug related.
In any case, the drug boat strikes are almost certainly legal orders, even if not legal under international law.
Their oath is to the constitution, not international law.
So then you admit how dangerous this is since they provided no examples references or circumstances.
All they did was weaken or national defense. Scumbag traitors. A dishonor to people who did take their oaths of office seriously.
Show of hands. How many of you have ever been in command of military members and either applied discipline UP UCMJ Article 15 OR conducted/participated in any level Courts Martial proceedings (Summary, Special, General) before? Anyone ever had to read the UCMJ? Any idea what Article 92 contains? If not, sit down and listen to folks who have before running your mouth about something you know zilch about.
shiftyandquick said:CanyonAg77 said:
Exactly what alleged illegal orders are these nimrods babbling about?
It's illegal to just kill people because they might have drugs. How about that for a start?
It's obvious you never served. We have lawyers in the military. Lots of them actually. Every senior commander has one on staff. Nothing like this happens without a rigorous legal review up and down the chain. No commander wants to go to Leavenworth.
The liberal gnashing of teeth over the deaths of drug dealers is beyond disgusting. So called journalists claiming it's being done "without evidence.". No, I assure they have evidence. They just aren't giving it to you. And for good reason.
ETFan said:aggieforester05 said:ETFan said:
Video reminding military their oath are to the constitution and not dear leader, to not obey illegal orders. Soldier, sailer, Marine, etc 101. Basic *****
Texags "SEDITION!!!"
Maybe step back and consider why they felt this basic reminder was necessary instead of jumping in to your feels.
That is not at all what they're doing, but that is the legal cover they're dancing around. What they say is not inaccurate, but they intentionally omit what these "illegal orders" are. They want our service members to refuse to enforce immigration laws and protect our cities from criminals when ordered to do so, while taking all of the risk. Their omission gives them plausible deniability, because they are cowards that don't care at all about our military service members.
There's not a single POS Democrat that will stand up for them when they're brought in front UCMJ tribunal for refusing orders. They are self serving unAmerican scum bags that belong nowhere near the levers of power, especially with regards to the life and limb of our service members and you know it.
Kelly is scum? Hint, they all served and none of them are scum.
The potus is scum, you know it, America knows it.
Yes, Kelly is scum. Is your claim that prior service forgives your present actions and makes one automatically not a scum bag?
Was Jeffrey Dahmer a scum bag?
Lee Harvey Oswald?
Nixon?
Lyndon B. Johnson?
Bushes?
Dan Crenshaw?
Many prior service members go on to be scum bag criminals and corrupt politicians. Most don't, but many do.
Kelly's and his wife, tragic as her injuries may be are complete scum bags for starting the gun grabber group constantly working to disarm law abiding Americans and leave them vulnerable to attacks by violent criminals like the one that attacked her. His "work" in congress and actions like the video in the OP have furthered solidified his scum baggery.
I do applaud his service and throughly enjoyed listening to the audiobook his brother wrote about their military careers, but that doesn't excuse what the Kelly brothers now stand for.
Your argument doesn't follow. They didn't list specific examples because that would hurt the message by narrowing the scope. The point is to be an all-encompassing reminder. There are an unlimited variety of possible illegal orders.
With all the promised/threatened domestic deployments, it's a reasonable reminder.
And reminding people to uphold the constitution is never being a traitor. Anyone so threatened by the constitution should look in the mirror on their traitor hunt.
With all the promised/threatened domestic deployments, it's a reasonable reminder.
And reminding people to uphold the constitution is never being a traitor. Anyone so threatened by the constitution should look in the mirror on their traitor hunt.
AtomicActuator said:
Your argument doesn't follow. They didn't list specific examples because that would hurt the message by narrowing the scope. The point is to be an all-encompassing reminder. There are an unlimited variety of possible illegal orders.
With all the promised/threatened domestic deployments, it's a reasonable reminder.
And reminding people to uphold the constitution is never being a traitor. Anyone so threatened by the constitution should look in the mirror on their traitor hunt.
Would these Democrats be issuing this video if a Democrat president were making the exact same orders? The answer isn't just no, it's hell no. They want our service members to disobey orders the Democrats don't like (because Trump) and then whatever the consequences may be will be on the service members shoulders to bear by themselves. Young impressionable people that are living in a sea of misinformation but willingly signed up to serve our country.
All to sow chaos within our ranks for their own political gain. I believe they made the video intentionally vague to give it the legal appearance of what you described, but that's not their true intent which is obvious to anyone that's been paying attention to the political atmosphere. I doubt there will be any legal repercussions for those in the video, but it is an absolutely disgusting game they're playing with service members lives.
AtomicActuator said:
Your argument doesn't follow. They didn't list specific examples because that would hurt the message by narrowing the scope. The point is to be an all-encompassing reminder. There are an unlimited variety of possible illegal orders.
With all the promised/threatened domestic deployments, it's a reasonable reminder.
And reminding people to uphold the constitution is never being a traitor. Anyone so threatened by the constitution should look in the mirror on their traitor hunt.
If it was in their oath and they all understand their oath and the rules they operate under, if this is so fundamental… then why did they need a reminder?
Colonel Nathan R. Jessup wants to know if you can handle the truth.
Slotkin deployed a CIA psyop on our troops. She will be investigated. Sorry if that ruffles you up.
I imagine Republican lawmakers might do the same in that case. Republicans LOVE to thump the constitution when it suits them. Maybe just as much as the Bible.
AtomicActuator said:
I imagine Republican lawmakers might do the same in that case. Republicans LOVE to thump the constitution when it suits them. Maybe just as much as the Bible.
I certainly agree that the Republicans will do ****ty things to score cheap political points, but I'm not so sure they'd be so cavalier with the lives of service members. Mainly because that wouldn't play nearly as well with their base. They'd certainly receive much more scrutiny in the press if they did. I think we can agree that both parties are trash.
WBBQ74 said:
Show of hands. How many of you have ever been in command of military members and either applied discipline UP UCMJ Article 15 OR conducted/participated in any level Courts Martial proceedings (Summary, Special, General) before? Anyone ever had to read the UCMJ? Any idea what Article 92 contains? If not, sit down and listen to folks who have before running your mouth about something you know zilch about.
And? What did these vets say that was wrong?
You think potus calling to hang people is the appropriate response? Come on.
The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
ETFan said:The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
His response was comment on the crime he believes they committed and the possible punishment? Where did he actually call for them to be hung? Probably wasn't a wise thing to say and I wish he would be far more articulate in his messaging, but listing a crime and the punishment that would have to be throughly litigated is not calling for someone to be hung.
Read paragraph (b):
Sedition - US Code
"Picking a side" as that dildo in the video says? The Democrats are not and never will be an option for decent Americans. Maybe if the Democrat party weren't a steaming pile of ****, the Republicans would be forced to pick better candidates.
How many times did they try to imprison and bankrupt Trump for made up BS? The pendulum swings back, they no longer have a tyrannical grip on the propaganda machine, and no one cares about their hypocritical crocodile tears.
I'm pretty sure you'd be pretty ticked off it you had been unfairly villainized, demeaned, and defamed by a clap trap of pathological liars for the last decade who've now taken it upon themselves to sow chaos within our ranks during a time of international turmoil all for their own selfish political gain. These people deserve no respect and need to be notified that they are playing with fire. Their actions can result in sever legal consequences if they are not careful.
ETFan said:The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
First, bull**** on the bolded.
I don't give a **** about his response. These same Dems have called him Hitler, a fascist and all sorts of other heinous crap and actively participated in a video encouraging US Service members to interpret what they think might be illegal and disobey chain of command and orders.
This is what you get in return.
4stringAg said:ETFan said:The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
First, bull**** on the bolded.
I don't give a **** about his response. These same Dems have called him Hitler, a fascist and all sorts of other heinous crap and actively participated in a video encouraging US Service members to interpret what they think might be illegal and disobey chain of command and orders.
This is what you get in return.
Ok. I think the president saying congress people should be hanged (thanks coop) because they posted a completely factual, tame, video about unlawful orders is just a tad bit unhinged. He's the president of the United States, this is not a normal response.
4stringAg said:ETFan said:The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
First, bull**** on the bolded.
I don't give a **** about his response. These same Dems have called him Hitler, a fascist and all sorts of other heinous crap and actively participated in a video encouraging US Service members to interpret what they think might be illegal and disobey chain of command and orders.
This is what you get in return.
The feminine lib posters on this board NEVER call out their own side. Conservatives call out their side all of the time.
Also, their beta leaders never accept responsibility for anything. Democrats are truly cowards.
ETFan said:4stringAg said:ETFan said:The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
First, bull**** on the bolded.
I don't give a **** about his response. These same Dems have called him Hitler, a fascist and all sorts of other heinous crap and actively participated in a video encouraging US Service members to interpret what they think might be illegal and disobey chain of command and orders.
This is what you get in return.
Ok. I think the president saying congress people should be hanged (thanks coop) because they posted a completely factual, tame, video about unlawful orders is just a tad bit unhinged. He's the president of the United States, this is not a normal response.
I guess don't stage a coup based on manufactured fake evidence through two different impeachments, file bogus lawsuit after bogus lawsuit, constantly call him and his supporters Hitler, try to assassinate him at least twice, successfully assassinate his high-profile supporters, etc.
Maybe stop projecting your side's insane behavior upon us and you might not get "extreme" verbal outbursts in response, like this one.
e=mc2 said:4stringAg said:ETFan said:The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
First, bull**** on the bolded.
I don't give a **** about his response. These same Dems have called him Hitler, a fascist and all sorts of other heinous crap and actively participated in a video encouraging US Service members to interpret what they think might be illegal and disobey chain of command and orders.
This is what you get in return.
The feminine lib posters on this board NEVER call out their own side. Conservatives call out their side all of the time.
Also, their beta leaders never accept responsibility for anything. Democrats are truly cowards.
This is 100% fact.
ETFan said:4stringAg said:ETFan said:The President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. "HANG THEM", he posted.
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 20, 2025
If you're a person of influence in this country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would be the time to pick a fucking side. pic.twitter.com/NtQhUe5wyn
People should listen to this. They won't, but they should.
I'm really not trying to be D or R here. His response to that video is not in any way ok. Wtf guys?
First, bull**** on the bolded.
I don't give a **** about his response. These same Dems have called him Hitler, a fascist and all sorts of other heinous crap and actively participated in a video encouraging US Service members to interpret what they think might be illegal and disobey chain of command and orders.
This is what you get in return.
Ok. I think the president saying congress people should be hanged (thanks coop) because they posted a completely factual, tame, video about unlawful orders is just a tad bit unhinged. He's the president of the United States, this is not a normal response.
Welcome to the wrong side of history I guess.
When do the democrat inspired and encouraged riots and killings begin?
ETFan said:
Welcome to the wrong side of history I guess.
No need to welcome us, we're not joining you.
ETFan said:
Welcome to the wrong side of history I guess.
You guys are so smug. You love to say this. Like you're ****ing Nostradamus and know how things will be perceived in the future. News flash you don't. And you're just wrong.
I tend agree with the guy that it shouldn't have been said. Anyone have any links to show his outrage with Obama was committing extrajudicial executions of American citizens via drone?
They paid for their wars with your tax dollars and also with your untaxed dollars. Inflation is theft.
ETFan said:
Welcome to the wrong side of history I guess.
While Trump and Republicans are far from perfect, your statement means that Democrats would be on the right side of history.
Democrats will NEVER be on the right side of history, LOfreakingL!!!
Corrupt pathological liars, that can only win through propaganda and censorship will NEVER be on the right side of history.
Degenerates that have destroyed our journalistic checks and academic systems in order to push that propaganda will NEVER be on the right side of history.
Those that support gun control, infanticide, and dude with tits showering with teenage girls or dominating female athletics will NEVER be on the right side of history.
Those that are fighting tooth and nail to protect human trafficking and drug trafficking operations from central America into the United States will NEVER be on the right side of history.
Those that are fighting tooth and nail to import third world immigrants with incompatible cultures so that they can out vote US born citizens and advance their self serving political agenda will NEVER be on the right side of history.
Those that push socialized health care so that their cronies can get rich off the backs of taxpayers while the government destroys the most advanced health care system the world has ever known and is the backbone of the world's health care research and technology will NEVER be on the right side of history.
Those that are actively trying to pit our military service member against their commander and chief in a reckless pursuit of self serving political goals with zero consideration of the possible consequences for our national security and the freedom/career of those service members will NEVER be on the right side of history.
The idea that Democrats could possibly be on the right side of history is absolutely insane!!! I can't think of a less true statement than the Democrats being on the right side of history. Not going to happen and never going to happen unless they start from a clean slate and go through a major reformation and come out completely different than what the party represents today.
Leavitt schooling the lib MSM dunce on what the video is and is not about after dumb reporter asks if Trump is calling for executions of political opponents.
Libs look so incredibly stoopid and unAmerican trying to defend their corrupt traitors trying to sow mutiny within the armed forces.
Investigations will be coming. Biden's boy Jake Sullivan probably giggled at this idea that his wife participated in... that is likely going to lead some to legal issues for these Dems.
Again, all their security clearances to the extent they have any should be revoked, committee assignments suspended. Time for Rs in congress to grow a sack and take actions against these evil, godless, un-American traitors.
Libs look so incredibly stoopid and unAmerican trying to defend their corrupt traitors trying to sow mutiny within the armed forces.
Investigations will be coming. Biden's boy Jake Sullivan probably giggled at this idea that his wife participated in... that is likely going to lead some to legal issues for these Dems.
Again, all their security clearances to the extent they have any should be revoked, committee assignments suspended. Time for Rs in congress to grow a sack and take actions against these evil, godless, un-American traitors.
I think the D just set a trap, anyone in here that has served know that one cannot follow an illegal order, we were told in fact by base commander that we protect the constitution not exercise in thereof, we are guided by UCMJ, which gives the freedoms of this land.
Burpelson said:
I think the D just set a trap, anyone in here that has served know that one cannot follow an illegal order, we were told in fact by base commander that we protect the constitution not exercise in thereof, we are guided by UCMJ, which gives the freedoms of this land.
Hopefully the service members currently active have a better understanding of the UCMJ than you.
Quote:
Finally, the Rules say, "The lawfulness of an order is a question of law to be determined by the military judge." That determination normally can be made only after a servicemember refuses or obeys an order, in a court martial or a war crimes tribunal.
What the Dems have suggested is that these soldiers refuse orders that the SOLDIERS think, believe may be unlawful.
Given that Trump has shown ZERO intention to issue unlawful orders and in fact in nearly 5 years as POTUS has never done so, then the "warning" by the Dems involved in this can ONLY be taken as encouraging descension amongst the chain of command.
They will be punished and rightfully so.
flown-the-coop said:Burpelson said:
I think the D just set a trap, anyone in here that has served know that one cannot follow an illegal order, we were told in fact by base commander that we protect the constitution not exercise in thereof, we are guided by UCMJ, which gives the freedoms of this land.
Hopefully the service members currently active have a better understanding of the UCMJ than you.Quote:
Finally, the Rules say, "The lawfulness of an order is a question of law to be determined by the military judge." That determination normally can be made only after a servicemember refuses or obeys an order, in a court martial or a war crimes tribunal.
What the Dems have suggested is that these soldiers refuse orders that the SOLDIERS think, believe may be unlawful.
Given that Trump has shown ZERO intention to issue unlawful orders and in fact in nearly 5 years as POTUS has never done so, then the "warning" by the Dems involved in this can ONLY be taken as encouraging descension amongst the chain of command.
They will be punished and rightfully so.
We're in the upside down.
What does the bold even mean? Of course they'd have to decide what's illegal and not. Reminding them of this is in no way saying to just willy nilly orders or disobey anything. You're reaching so, so hard to protect dear leader.
But keep defending that absolute pos.
EDIT: Second bold. No they won't. What is wrong with you?
dear lord the democratic party has gone to sht.
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