Massie is worse than John McCain

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They're waiting for what the influencer army has to say about it.
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NoahAg said:

PaulsBunions said:



Waiting for MAGA to tell me why this is a bad thing...

Good luck to you.
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Im Gipper said:

Dipshat meets dingaling.




Sad. I appreciated Massie pushing Trump on the Epstein coverup but this removes whatever credibility he had left. No serious person should be entertaining Tucker's clown show.
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Matt Walsh went on Tucker to say any country that relies on the US for its existence, shouldn't exist. When will Trump loyalists throw him under the bus too?

He is repeatedly calling BS on Iran war rationale and expressing major concerns with it. Including the "we've been at war for 47 years" and "imminent nuke threat" stuff.

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Matt Walsh is a great example of how you can be against whats happening in Iran and do so in a non-anti-semitic way. plenty should take his lead.


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'Israel can't exist without being propped up by the US'


fake news

they managed to just fine without our help in many wars. if anything, their terrorist neighbors would no longer be around if not for US holding them back.
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MarvZindler said:

Matt Walsh went on Tucker to say any country that relies on the US for its existence, shouldn't exist. When will Trump loyalists throw him under the bus too?

He is repeatedly calling BS on Iran war rationale and expressing major concerns with it. Including the "we've been at war for 47 years" and "imminent nuke threat" stuff.




Shocker that you're cutting out the next part of his quote. As usual, anti-Israel lobby can't make a point with lying.

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MATT WALSH: Yeah. Now I'm not convinced at all that that is true of Israel. I'm not convinced at all.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, I mean, I don't know either, by the way. And I think Israel seems like a perfectly functional and strong country, including with a strong economy that goes up and down. But basically, I mean, they have a robust tech sector. They've got a lot going for them. And so I think I kind of agree. I'm just saying they don't seem to feel that way, but who knows what the truth is?

MATT WALSH: I think that if we were to withdraw, I think we should withdraw all federal, all foreign aid from every country. You know, I don't think we should be doing it at all. I think. Yeah. And I think if we did that, I think Israel would still exist. I think if we took away all the foreign aid tomorrow, next week, two months from now, Israel would still be a country.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.




Guessing this was before Tucker became an official paid spokesperson for Islam.
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Thank you!

Liars can't help themselves.


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Ag83 said:

NoahAg said:

PaulsBunions said:



Waiting for MAGA to tell me why this is a bad thing...

Good luck to you.

I discussed it earlier in this thread.

Massie's rationale is not necessarily bad but he was harping on the "backdoor" searches and abuse of Americans who happened to be part of a FISA 702 surveillance. This abuse ramped up to the next level in the Biden admin and there have been restrictions and safeguard put back in place.

Ending or not extending FISA during an active conflict with a state sponsor of terror seems incredibly shortsighted, dangerous and dumb - the hallmarks of Thomas Massie.

Folks could at least do some basic research before hopping on their jump to conclusions map.
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MouthBQ98 said:

I understand being resolutely principled but in the real world, you can resolutely principle the plane of state into the side of a Mountain if you refuse to bank the plane at some point.

The problem is always that there are lots of other players and powers and interests and they don't care at all about your principles, but will gladly exploit them if achieve their own ends. What then if your principled stance results in avoidable harm?

The real world is tradeoffs, deals, compromises, because the opposition also has agency and goals and plans. Resolute uncompromising will makes you something everyone can ignore, an irrelevant factor to the negotiations going on around you. It's admirable if morally principled but that fades when in a pragmatic sense you end up failing to prevent harm being done when you may have had the opportunity to compromise to prevent the worst excesses of it. We don't live in any person's ideal world.


Massie is frequently described by others as a "libertarian Republican," "libertarian firebrand," which says it all. Libertarian's tend not to compromise even when they are getting 60 to 80 percent of what they want.
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flown-the-coop said:

Ag83 said:

NoahAg said:

PaulsBunions said:



Waiting for MAGA to tell me why this is a bad thing...

Good luck to you.

I discussed it earlier in this thread.

Massie's rationale is not necessarily bad but he was harping on the "backdoor" searches and abuse of Americans who happened to be part of a FISA 702 surveillance. This abuse ramped up to the next level in the Biden admin and there have been restrictions and safeguard put back in place.

Ending or not extending FISA during an active conflict with a state sponsor of terror seems incredibly shortsighted, dangerous and dumb - the hallmarks of Thomas Massie.

Folks could at least do some basic research before hopping on their jump to conclusions map.

Ah, so you're willing to give up individual freedom so you can have a little more safety feelz? I bet you also love the Patriot Act and getting groped by TSA.
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NoahAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ag83 said:

NoahAg said:

PaulsBunions said:



Waiting for MAGA to tell me why this is a bad thing...

Good luck to you.

I discussed it earlier in this thread.

Massie's rationale is not necessarily bad but he was harping on the "backdoor" searches and abuse of Americans who happened to be part of a FISA 702 surveillance. This abuse ramped up to the next level in the Biden admin and there have been restrictions and safeguard put back in place.

Ending or not extending FISA during an active conflict with a state sponsor of terror seems incredibly shortsighted, dangerous and dumb - the hallmarks of Thomas Massie.

Folks could at least do some basic research before hopping on their jump to conclusions map.

Ah, so you're willing to give up individual freedom so you can have a little more safety feelz? I bet you also love the Patriot Act and getting groped by TSA.

I like not getting blown up by Ahmed nor getting shot on a Spirit Airlines flight (those days are gone though, sad).

There is a complete continuum of areas where we trade our freedoms for safety and convenience.

Your strawman wilted in the humid morn of false equivalencies.

I explained exactly what Massie's issue was on the extension and that its to a large part been addressed. But he wants to allow Ahmed his privacy because Biden DOJ broke the rules.

Awesome.
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I discussed it earlier in this thread.

Massie's rationale is not necessarily bad but he was harping on the "backdoor" searches and abuse of Americans who happened to be part of a FISA 702 surveillance. This abuse ramped up to the next level in the Biden admin and there have been restrictions and safeguard put back in place.

I believe it was Rogers at the NSA who noticed the abuses of the Obama administration and he blew the whistler to the head of FISC and also shut down some of the FBI's access to NSA databases. Idiots such as Samantha Powers actually denied she made the 702 requests that used her identifier. Was she lying? Maybe but what if she was so loose in protecting her information, which other types of oversight would catch that?

I can understand the need for 702 but the access to it truly needs to be highly restricted to only a select few. And they should be designated so. Comey testified in 2017 that he had no idea of how many people in the FBI had such access. He should always know that number and their security clearances need to be reviewed every year.
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aggiehawg said:

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I discussed it earlier in this thread.

Massie's rationale is not necessarily bad but he was harping on the "backdoor" searches and abuse of Americans who happened to be part of a FISA 702 surveillance. This abuse ramped up to the next level in the Biden admin and there have been restrictions and safeguard put back in place.

I believe it was Rogers at the NSA who noticed the abuses of the Obama administration and he blew the whistler to the head of FISC and also shut down some of the FBI's access to NSA databases. Idiots such as Samantha Powers actually denied she made the 702 requests that used her identifier. Was she lying? Maybe but what if she was so loose in protecting her information, which other types of oversight would catch that?

I can understand the need for 702 but the access to it truly needs to be highly restricted to only a select few. And they should be designated so. Comey testified in 2017 that he had no idea of how many people in the FBI had such access. He should always know that number and their security clearances need to be reviewed every year.

1000% support the restriction of access. I would say warrants but the judges even over these very sensitive requests which is not supposed to be how it works.

For Massie, he again has the right idea with an approach that is only self-serving. He's not articulate enough it seems to be able to get to the issue vs burning the whole thing down on his 'principles'.
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1000% support the restriction of access. I would say warrants but the judges even over these very sensitive requests which is not supposed to be how it works.

Required reports of all 702 queries from an agency to the FISC on a monthly basis. Granted after the fact but would make abuse easier to spot over time.
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If you can stop laughing at this intro tweet from dumbdumb, here is the interview:


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What would Tucker know about being pro-America? He's rooting for Iran.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

What would Tucker know about being pro-America? He's rooting for Iran.

For people like Tucker

Pro-American = Anti-Jews/Israel

One of his followers even said as much on another thread.
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Massie & Tucker could do a show called "The Grifters: We love $ &nthe likes"
“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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Im Gipper said:

If you can stop laughing at this intro tweet from dumbdumb, here is the interview:



“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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Massie, Tucker, and Candace the "Grifting Three"!

“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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Imagine being a conservative American and finding Massie objectionable.
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Imagine supporting a libertarian who takes conservative money and fooling other people who also think they may be conservatives…
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Is federal funding for sexual reassignment surgery for children a conservative or libertarian position?
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Queso1 said:

Is federal funding for sexual reassignment surgery for children a conservative or libertarian position?

It depends. If it helps the R party then yes it's "conservative". Because principles and policy are negligible to a lot of "R party must win" people, even if the R party is not doing what they said they will do.
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That's become most evident the last 1.5 years.
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Queso1 said:

Imagine being a conservative American and finding Massie objectionable.

Not quite as crazy as claiming to be a conservative and saying you will vote against Ted Cruz.


Massie on spending when Biden was in the White House.



Soooooo conservative!




Massie is a Liar. No one is shocked you love him.

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flown-the-coop said:

Imagine supporting a libertarian who takes conservative money and fooling other people who also think they may be conservatives…


Imagine blindly defending a lifelong democrat with hundreds of posts a day who takes conservative money and fooling other people who also think they may be conservatives…
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Queso1 said:

Imagine being a conservative American and finding Massie objectionable.

He is a fool:
“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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AgDev01 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Imagine supporting a libertarian who takes conservative money and fooling other people who also think they may be conservatives…


Imagine blindly defending a lifelong democrat with hundreds of posts a day who takes conservative money and fooling other people who also think they may be conservatives…

"Takes conservatives money"… you mean Trump receives contributions from conservatives because he has delivered for conservatives more than any other POTUS, including Reagan? That "lifelong" Democrat?
Ellis Wyatt
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Just another lying democrat in Republican clothing. People really need to get smarter and throw these bums out. They're destroying our country.
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Did he fall for a hoax or is he promoting propaganda. I'd guess the latter.
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Fire the quirky, capable, creative, and honest goober from the foothills of Kentucky and replace him with AIPAC's choice. MAGA
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I just want someone who'll put America first. Massie isn't that guy.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

I just want someone who'll put America first. Massie isn't that guy.


If Massie isn't putting America first, then who in the hell is? Is he perfect? I'd assume not, but he's more American than 99.999% of people in Washington.
 
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