Massie is worse than John McCain

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Tea Party said:

JWinTX said:

These libertarian guys are always so principled…yet never sponsor anything that has any chance of becoming law.

Why blame the people that are doing the right thing instead of blaming the bulk of Congress that would rather play footsy and screw the people over.

Weird perspecitve from the anti-Massie crowd.

"Right thing" is a matter of individual perspective. You are a libertarian (or adjacent) so you loving Massie makes sense.

Why not just accept that Massie tickles certain things for certain folks, but his appeal is VERY limited and his antagonism is COMPLETELY UNHELPFUL whilst Rs barely control all 3 branches.

The dudes a self serving tool who is on his way out.

See ya Tommie boy.
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And it only took $10 million from outside sources to defeat one of Kentucky's favorite reps.
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Queso1 said:

And it only took $10 million from outside sources to defeat one of Kentucky's favorite reps.

Money well spent. Now time to oust his master Randy.
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Shipwreckedcrew is spot on!

“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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Massie isn't doing the right thing. He's obstructing the right, just like Dustin burrows.
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If Maddie were truly principled on the budget, he would send back / refuse every federal dollar appropriated to his district. This should include all welfare and social security benefits, transportation dollars, all of it. At the very least he should go through any budgets and appropriates that are pending for his district and scratch through them.

If he was principled on Epstein, he would quit going on camera and pick a couple of topics / victims and do an expose on Netflix to find some justice.

No, Massie is only principle about being Thommie Massie and clicks for campaign $$$s.
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Perfect is the enemy of good. That describes Massie. Would rather tank the Trump agenda because he disagrees with a few things rather than pass something that is overall good, but not perfect. Massie is in it for Massie, like Trump is in it for Trump. Two children
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flown-the-coop said:

Tea Party said:

JWinTX said:

These libertarian guys are always so principled…yet never sponsor anything that has any chance of becoming law.

Why blame the people that are doing the right thing instead of blaming the bulk of Congress that would rather play footsy and screw the people over.

Weird perspecitve from the anti-Massie crowd.

"Right thing" is a matter of individual perspective. You are a libertarian (or adjacent) so you loving Massie makes sense.

Why not just accept that Massie tickles certain things for certain folks, but his appeal is VERY limited and his antagonism is COMPLETELY UNHELPFUL whilst Rs barely control all 3 branches.

The dudes a self serving tool who is on his way out.

See ya Tommie boy.

Why not go after a Democrat instead of the most conservative Republican in the House?
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History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.

I completely disagree on that your entire premise. He was not a good man and his character wasn't attacked on the basis of partisan politics. He was a sellout to his country, a war monger, and a liar. He deserved the criticism.
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Thanks for illustrating my point I guess
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Infection_Ag11 said:

History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.



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Infection_Ag11 said:

History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.
**** John McCain. He loved John McCain. He screwed over Americans because he was a dick.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.

There are two, clearly different versions of John McCain. The service member and the politician. The service member was one of tremendous sacrifice and service. The political version turned into something entirely different. The political version will be stained by his petty, spiteful 'thumbs-up' saving Obamacare.

The service member that deserved much better was robbed by his own actions and hubris. I am not advocating dancing on his grave, but he is a victim of his own making.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.

Don't kid yourself. McCain was a partisan hack who hoodwinked the electorate.
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Dave Robicheaux said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.





And his vote was to spite Trump. McCain the poltroon.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

History will reflect very poorly on those who attacked John McCain's character on the basis of partisan politics. One of the greatest victims of our current national discourse.

He was a good man who deserved much better. Shame on us.
**** John McCain. He loved John McCain. He screwed over Americans because he was a dick.


Yes every month you pay very high premiums for garbage insurance you can thank two people. Obama for giving it to us and John McCain for keeping it.

The difference is Obama campaigned generally for the garbage BUT McCain campaigned and promised his voters he'd help get rid of it.

That ranks McCain higher on the list. Because it did literally come down to him screwing over his own voters and the entire party.
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SociallyConditionedAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Tea Party said:

JWinTX said:

These libertarian guys are always so principled…yet never sponsor anything that has any chance of becoming law.

Why blame the people that are doing the right thing instead of blaming the bulk of Congress that would rather play footsy and screw the people over.

Weird perspecitve from the anti-Massie crowd.

"Right thing" is a matter of individual perspective. You are a libertarian (or adjacent) so you loving Massie makes sense.

Why not just accept that Massie tickles certain things for certain folks, but his appeal is VERY limited and his antagonism is COMPLETELY UNHELPFUL whilst Rs barely control all 3 branches.

The dudes a self serving tool who is on his way out.

See ya Tommie boy.

Why not go after a Democrat instead of the most conservative Republican in the House?

You must not read any of my posts. Dems / libs are evil scum of the earth who hate our country. They are a KNOWN enemy.

Folks who think Massie is the way don't seem to be able to see the evil scum he is.

Clear it up for you?
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flown-the-coop said:

SociallyConditionedAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Tea Party said:

JWinTX said:

These libertarian guys are always so principled…yet never sponsor anything that has any chance of becoming law.

Why blame the people that are doing the right thing instead of blaming the bulk of Congress that would rather play footsy and screw the people over.

Weird perspecitve from the anti-Massie crowd.

"Right thing" is a matter of individual perspective. You are a libertarian (or adjacent) so you loving Massie makes sense.

Why not just accept that Massie tickles certain things for certain folks, but his appeal is VERY limited and his antagonism is COMPLETELY UNHELPFUL whilst Rs barely control all 3 branches.

The dudes a self serving tool who is on his way out.

See ya Tommie boy.

Why not go after a Democrat instead of the most conservative Republican in the House?

You must not read any of my posts. Dems / libs are evil scum of the earth who hate our country. They are a KNOWN enemy.

Folks who think Massie is the way don't seem to be able to see the evil scum he is.

Clear it up for you?

You must not read any of our posts. Team vs team politics is bad for the country and yes D's are leading that charge, but the RINO's aren't resisting like you think they are. Both are known enemies.

Folks who think the GOP establishment leaders are the way don't seem to be able to see the evil scum that they are.

Clear it up for you?

Massie is not the answer, but any politician that doesn't put party over his beliefs is a step in the right direction. We should be championing that thought process at least, even if your blinders won't let you think Massie is anything but evil.
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Massie is certainly putting self over party for sure. I see your point now.

Principled to the point you are supporting the enemy is so awesome!

Long live Conscientious Objector Massie!! When the time came to stand for his Country, he stood on his personal principles!! Hero!!
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Welp, at least I gave an effort to explain your misunderstandings of the situation but I can't help you understand it. Especially when you turn friendly discussion into mockery. Congrats? Good luck in your crusade against Massie so you can get more big gov nonsense from the right who think little to nothing about conservative ideology.

This conservative, with some libertarian leanings just like most conservatives (look up the Tea Party platform if you still don't comprehend that), prefers politicians to put their constituents first rather than the party which is what Massie is doing since his constituents keep re-electing him. Massie's tactics certainly aren't the best, but I much prefer that to any R rubber stamp that will give us more of the big gov nonsense the GOP has given us lately.
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Tea Party guys had to tone it way down which reflects the majority of the conservatives DO NOT lean towards Tea Party ideals and certainly not libertarian.

I respect your position on Tea Party (not simply in your username but in your posting), I simply don't agree with it.

My issue with Massie are his antics and actions. Period. He was elected as a Republican, campaigned as a Republican, used the money and network of Republicans, then gets to DC and works to undermine the agenda of his Republican leaders by antagonizing, undermining and siding with the enemy.

I appreciate the back and forth. I use mockery and hyperbole regularly for purpose and effect, for better or worse.
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flown-the-coop said:

Tea Party guys had to tone it way down which reflects the majority of the conservatives DO NOT lean towards Tea Party ideals and certainly not libertarian.

Being a conservative with Tea Party or libertarian leanings means they are conservative first and lean towards Tea Party or libertarian at times. Which is a significant majority of conservatives (note conservative <> republican). Not the other way around like it sounds like you are misinterpretting it. And the Tea Party guys did not last because the current system is team v team and the two teams will not allow a third team to take over. More importantly there are voters that enable the team v team system, cough cough ; ) .
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I respect your position on Tea Party (not simply in your username but in your posting), I simply don't agree with it.

I know and that's ok. I interpret your position as team over policy because you still have faith in the GOP and RINO's within. I don't fault you there but think it's naive, but I can respect it because I think we both at least want similar outcomes but disagree on how to achieve them. That's just good politics.
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My issue with Massie are his antics and actions. Period. He was elected as a Republican, campaigned as a Republican, used the money and network of Republicans, then gets to DC and works to undermine the agenda of his Republican leaders by antagonizing, undermining

Well that's a two way street so once again, your gripe is solely directed at Massie when the R's campaigned on one thing and then don't follow through. Massie calling them out on that could be viewed as undermining the the team, but again we shouldn't be supporting a team v team system when "our team" isn't even following through with what they campaigned on.
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and siding with the enemy.

Massie does not side with the D's, but rather votes for a policy that him and his constituents believe in, for the most part. The D's want to move left with big gov. Massie wants to move right with small gov. If the GOP wants to move right with big gov, Massie and the D's may not want to go along with that but that does not mean Massie is siding with the D's.

The only way one can make that assumption is if they view politics as team A vs team B AND want to keep politics that way rather than fix it. Again, not poking fun at you since I think our end goal beliefs have significant overlap, but we just disagree on how to get there.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Again, Massie is telling you one thing and doing another. His actions are consistent. His words are gaslighting. He's an enemy.

Your God-Emperor Trump is doing the exact same thing, yet you have no issue with it.
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Long live Conscientious Objector Massie!! When the time came to stand for his Country, he stood on his personal principles!! Hero!!

So true!
“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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Just like Beto, Massie is getting his money from Democrats outside the state:

“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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I thought Massies principles were the principles of his Kentucky district?

Of course given their continual electing of Beshears as governor, it's perhaps time to end Kentucky suffrage.
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Apparently 120/141 donors who contributed the primary maximum for Massie's opponent had previously donated to democrats. The amount Gallrein has raised dwarfs what Massie has raised. This is a silly comp to make.
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Massie can join Marjorie Traitor Brown in Costa Rico soon!

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From the location and the looks they did not make that much money or blew it elsewhere.

Likely they are the next to catch hantavirus.
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the same idiots who were backing Marjorie Traitor Brown a year ago are the same idiots backing Massie right now.

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LMCane said:

the same idiots who were backing Marjorie Traitor Brown a year ago are the same idiots backing Massie right now.




His opponent is being backed by the Israel First lobby and its associated billionaires.

He's backed by individual voters.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

Thanks for illustrating my point I guess

The worst candidate I've ever voted for…I still regret voting for him in Texas in 08, as he was already gonna win here against Obummer. Couldn't stand that guy at all. The ultimate RINO
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Seamaster said:

LMCane said:

the same idiots who were backing Marjorie Traitor Brown a year ago are the same idiots backing Massie right now.




His opponent is being backed by the Israel First lobby and its associated billionaires.

He's backed by individual voters.



I don't give a ***** He's a terrible Congressman and doesn't stick with the party. Stopping the left is the ONLY thing that matters. He doesn't abide by that philosophy.
 
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