Massie is a self serving opportunist that finally found his circumstance...

The guy can't work with anyone to get anything done; then suddenly in 2025 starts working with Democrats to try to smear Trump via the Epstein windmill tilt. In the process guarantees he's got 4 billionaire pedophiles ID'd who are really just regular Schmo's... doesn't apologize or take any accountability and keeps right on blaming/lying/distracting from real business.

There are 10 solid initiatives he could be working on to improve our plight, but as some posted, he's just looking for credit for who knows what...not anything helpful.


So, yes, OP, he is worse than McCain. Seen a million guys like this; thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can't work with anyone to get something done. Massie's never served anything but himself.

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Amazing to watch every lefty seminar poster and sock come out of the woodwork to defend Massie while the fierce libertarians try to convince us he is the one true conservative we should all rally around. Very odd confluence of opinions…

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It's pretty easy to rationalize but yes appears odd on its face.

The D's love what Massie is doing because it helps them in the farce that is the two party race where all that matters is their team winning. The D's don't care about compromise or debating policy, just whether their side wins and Massie is indirectly helping that.

Conservatives like what Massie is doing because he's putting conservative policy over the party. Something that every person, regardless of party affiliation should support. The rest of the GOP supporters don't like him advocating for what he believes in because it ruins their two party race.

We need more people that advocate for their beliefs first and party second, but unfortunately an overwhelming majority of Congress and the voting populace advocates for party first over policy. The video below is a good representation of how bad this party over policy problem has become.

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I totally agree that we need more people that advocate for true conservative beliefs in congress. But congress is a two party system right now. Both parties suck, but one sucks way worse than the other. So if the margin between those two vote wise is razor thin, everybody needs to be paddling the boat in the same direction to get anything done. If one guy is out there paddling in the opposite direction, even if he is absolutely right about what he is saying, if he is obstructing getting good things done because "they are not the right good things" that he wants to focus on instead, then he is obstructing getting good things done.

And his admission that he was doing it for banal narcissistic reasons like wanting a public apology from Johnson just makes him look worse. Sack up dude! We have at most 8 months to get **** done before there is at least a 50/50 chance we lose the majority in the house. Like it or not this whole Epstein thing has been a big distraction from other bigger things we needed to get done. Everybody agrees that nothing is going to happen from it, whether it is because there is nothing there, or DOJ won't pursue anybody, or because the release of the files tainted the cases to be made against anybody, or whatever. So what was the point besides Massey joining with the Ds to help dunk on Trump and Bondi? What did it really accomplish?

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My point isn't evan about gaining more conservative beliefs in Congress. Yes, I absolutely would love that. But my point is that the overwhelming majority of politicians and voters are party over policy. Your entire point above was based on "my team must win" rather than my politician should advocate for what their constituents want.

Watch the video I posted and focus on how much grey there is in the 81st Congress from 1949-1951 compared to the 108th Congress and onward from 2003 to now. There was significantly more party cross-over in voting back then than there is now. Showing that the "two party system" we have now is merely for appointing leaders and bringing legislation forward in simple terms, but politicians were not near guaranteed to vote on party lines like now.

That is the problem. Massie is going back to the way it used to be where principles and policy was the first priority and voting with the party as a unified block was a distant second. We need more people like that, regardless of political ideology. Though if the two party split keeps widening as it has been, then the problem becomes a national crisis.

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The problem is that things don't get done in Washington DC right now by talking about all the right things. They get done by holding votes and passing legislation that furthers your agenda. To do that in a very narrowly divided chamber means compromising within your team and not always getting everything you want. The democrats are going to vote in absolute lockstep with each other every time they are in power to keep moving the country farther leftward. If we spend all of the time when we are in power bickering over who owes who an apology or who is ideologically purest, we get nothing done and the country stays where we are until dems take over again and start pushing us to the left again.

The time for the ideological debates and purity of principles is in the republican primaries when we can select more people whose principles we prefer. When they all get to DC, we have to work with the team we are dealt by the rest of the country in order to try to move things back to the right. Massie is not helping to move things back to the right if he is obstructing votes while waiting for a public apology. His ideological purity is notable, but worthless in that case.

Ushering in Marxism is a bad look for a "conservative." People need to stop being so autistic.

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Massie is a self serving opportunist that finally found his circumstance...

The guy can't work with anyone to get anything done; then suddenly in 2025 starts working with Democrats to try to smear Trump via the Epstein windmill tilt. In the process guarantees he's got 4 billionaire pedophiles ID'd who are really just regular Schmo's... doesn't apologize or take any accountability and keeps right on blaming/lying/distracting from real business.

There are 10 solid initiatives he could be working on to improve our plight, but as some posted, he's just looking for credit for who knows what...not anything helpful.


So, yes, OP, he is worse than McCain. Seen a million guys like this; thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can't work with anyone to get something done. Massie's never served anything but himself.

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The guy that forced Trump to release the files is worse than the guy who was the deciding vote for Obamacare? All Trump had to do was endorse the release and there would be no beef with Massie. Instead he insulted his base as "panicans" for caring about him following through on his promises on this issue. Doesn't help that his commerce secretary got caught lying about his relationship with JE. Now if he puts forward good ideas like the below, they don't go anywhere because GOP politicians don't have the cojones to support a good idea from somebody DJT doesn't like, even though Obama used this same FISA court to get away with spying on the 2016 Trump campaign.

BLOCKED: My amendment to stop warrantless surveillance of Americans via loopholes in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). pic.twitter.com/JyDtrTL4CQ

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) February 3, 2026

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Massie is a self serving opportunist that finally found his circumstance...

The guy can't work with anyone to get anything done; then suddenly in 2025 starts working with Democrats to try to smear Trump via the Epstein windmill tilt. In the process guarantees he's got 4 billionaire pedophiles ID'd who are really just regular Schmo's... doesn't apologize or take any accountability and keeps right on blaming/lying/distracting from real business.

There are 10 solid initiatives he could be working on to improve our plight, but as some posted, he's just looking for credit for who knows what...not anything helpful.


So, yes, OP, he is worse than McCain. Seen a million guys like this; thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can't work with anyone to get something done. Massie's never served anything but himself.

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Wow. This is embarrassing.

For you. You're actually not conservative in the least. You must really love your savior...Trump...good luck with that.

Bear with me for the way out of left field analogy.

Just because you are playing chess with a pigeon and it keeps ****ting all over the board and strutting like it won, doesn't mean you keep trying to make a game of chess with a pigeon work. You realize that the game is setup poorly from the onset and start to soul search whether you really want to win the game of chess vs the ****ting and strutting pigeon.

The two party system has failed because the D party and their voters are choosing party over principle and policy. It exacerbates when the GOP politicians and voters advocate for the same thing. Though I understand and agree with the reasoning for the two party system with our first past the post republic.

Take your two party comments and wargame them over an extended period of time. The D's are moving further left each passing year. The R's are at best taking a step to the right when they are in power and often just holding ground. The left vs right gap is widening and the populace is going along with it. That is the makings of a powder keg if people don't start getting back to policy over party.

Left and Right are incompatible right now as shown by how little cross-party voting there is, and that is a recipe for disaster in the long run. And in my opinion the fault significantly lies with the D voters, though the GOP voters are starting to advocate for the same team over policy mantra that the D's started two decades ago.

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Bear with me for the way out of left field analogy.

Just because you are playing chess with a pigeon and it keeps ****ting all over the board and strutting like it won, doesn't mean you keep trying to make a game of chess with a pigeon work. You realize that the game is setup poorly from the onset and start to soul search whether you really want to win the game of chess vs the ****ting and strutting pigeon.

The two party system has failed because the D party and their voters are choosing party over principle and policy. It exacerbates when the GOP politicians and voters advocate for the same thing. Though I understand and agree with the reasoning for the two party system with our first past the post republic.

Take your two party comments and wargame them over an extended period of time. The D's are moving further left each passing year. The R's are at best taking a step to the right when they are in power and often just holding ground. The left vs right gap is widening and the populace is going along with it. That is the makings of a powder keg if people don't start getting back to policy over party.

Left and Right are incompatible right now as shown by how little cross-party voting there is, and that is a recipe for disaster in the long run. And in my opinion the fault significantly lies with the D voters, though the GOP voters are starting to advocate for the same team over policy mantra that the D's started two decades ago.

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The time to fight that battle is when you are electing Rs to go represent you in DC, not when you are in the middle of trying to take a step to the right. I agree that he is better ideologically than about 97% of the Rs in congress. But if he is the one stopping them from taking 1 step to the right because he would rather we take 2 steps, then he is the one obstructing movement to the right if the votes are not there to get the 2 steps he wants. Yes, it would be better if the votes were there to do that, but they aren't right now. That is just a fact and Massie stamping his feet and demanding apologies from Johnson isn't going to change that fact. This Epstein bill is a useless distraction from other more important things they should be fighting over. It is playing into the hands of the left to continue to fight over it after the bill has passed and files have been released.

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What I get from this thread:

Texags "conservatives" have gone from "Drain the swamp!" to "Leave the swamp alone, Massie!"

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It's shocking reading some of the replies on here. Way too many people who don't think for themselves that blindly follow and believe anything Trump says or does. These people are massively coping with Trump actively trying to cover up the Epstein files as well but would be having a nuclear meltdown if you swap a democrat for Trump and keep everything else the same. This low IQ team red partisan garbage has to stop.

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Bear with me for the way out of left field analogy.

Just because you are playing chess with a pigeon and it keeps ****ting all over the board and strutting like it won, doesn't mean you keep trying to make a game of chess with a pigeon work. You realize that the game is setup poorly from the onset and start to soul search whether you really want to win the game of chess vs the ****ting and strutting pigeon.

The two party system has failed because the D party and their voters are choosing party over principle and policy. It exacerbates when the GOP politicians and voters advocate for the same thing. Though I understand and agree with the reasoning for the two party system with our first past the post republic.

Take your two party comments and wargame them over an extended period of time. The D's are moving further left each passing year. The R's are at best taking a step to the right when they are in power and often just holding ground. The left vs right gap is widening and the populace is going along with it. That is the makings of a powder keg if people don't start getting back to policy over party.

Left and Right are incompatible right now as shown by how little cross-party voting there is, and that is a recipe for disaster in the long run. And in my opinion the fault significantly lies with the D voters, though the GOP voters are starting to advocate for the same team over policy mantra that the D's started two decades ago.

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The time to fight that battle is when you are electing Rs to go represent you in DC, not when you are in the middle of trying to take a step to the right. I agree that he is better ideologically than about 97% of the Rs in congress. But if he is the one stopping them from taking 1 step to the right because he would rather we take 2 steps, then he is the one obstructing movement to the right if the votes are not there to get the 2 steps he wants. Yes, it would be better if the votes were there to do that, but they aren't right now. That is just a fact and Massie stamping his feet and demanding apologies from Johnson isn't going to change that fact. This Epstein bill is a useless distraction from other more important things they should be fighting over. It is playing into the hands of the left to continue to fight over it after the bill has passed and files have been released.

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At the end of the day, Trump was the one who split the Republican party on this issue. There would have been zero beef if President Trump was consistent with Candidate Trump. Massie simply delivered where Trump failed. This could have been over and done with in August if Trump didn't flop on this issue. He saw the dems lose popularity in 2024 over the Epstein coverup and decided he wanted to play the same card to protect his donors/pals.

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Left and Right are incompatible right now as shown by how little cross-party voting there is, and that is a recipe for disaster in the long run. And in my opinion the fault significantly lies with the D voters, though the GOP voters are starting to advocate for the same team over policy mantra that the D's started two decades ago.

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I am not a team over party voter, but we stand at the precipice, Republican legislators have accomplished NOTHING in over a year in power and the window to accomplish anything is closing. Democrat judges don't care about the law and are assaulting the Constitution and republicans refuse to confirm Trump's appointments. What will the result of that be? More democrats will fill seats and finish off the Republic. Republicans fiddle while Rome burns and constituents are not getting anything they voted for. Trump is the only person even pretending to care what America needs.

Democrats today are all marxists and they are salivating at the thought of turning the entire country into California.

BUT MUH EPSTEIN!

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Massie is a self serving opportunist that finally found his circumstance...

The guy can't work with anyone to get anything done; then suddenly in 2025 starts working with Democrats to try to smear Trump via the Epstein windmill tilt. In the process guarantees he's got 4 billionaire pedophiles ID'd who are really just regular Schmo's... doesn't apologize or take any accountability and keeps right on blaming/lying/distracting from real business.

There are 10 solid initiatives he could be working on to improve our plight, but as some posted, he's just looking for credit for who knows what...not anything helpful.


So, yes, OP, he is worse than McCain. Seen a million guys like this; thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can't work with anyone to get something done. Massie's never served anything but himself.

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Wow. This is embarrassing.

For you. You're actually not conservative in the least. You must really love your savior...Trump...good luck with that.

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TDS is like playing "whose line is it anyway". Everything is a conspiracy and results don't matter.

No one will be prosecuted for sex crimes. All the "victims" have been payed off and/or discredited. Epstein is still dead. In the meantime, elections are not secure, fraud in social programs are beyond imagination, leftist judges continue to step out of their Article duties to the thwart voter will, et al, as nauseum....and Democrats, and the ever so serious concerned moderates, continue to invent new slanders every day divorced from the reality we see around us.

Legislative opportunities are being squandered because a bad guy that started doing bad things when Jimmy Carter was president largely got away with it until he didn't. Hope you and Sancho are happy when distractions like this create mid term disaster.

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And some of these people just make the excuse so they can maintain the status quo. That is certainly how the Texas House works. I would love for every pedophile to be locked up, but no serious person believes that is going to happen at this point.

I don't know what Massie actually thinks he is doing, but the end result will be terrible for the country.

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Legislative opportunities are being squandered because a bad guy that started doing bad things when Jimmy Carter was president largely got away with it until he didn't. Hope you and Sancho are happy when distractions like this create mid term disaster.

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And some of these people just make the excuse so they can maintain the status quo. That is certainly how the Texas House works. I would love for every pedophile to be locked up, but no serious person believes that is going to happen at this point.

I don't know what Massie actually thinks he is doing, but the end result will be terrible for the country.

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The Massie question really does show everyone's true colors

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Ridiculous. This isn't just some other standard issue policy debate. If we can't expect our government to produce and prosecute pedophiles, it's over. This has to be a red line. Most sane people are glad Massie is holding firm. Get outside of F16 and fox news on occasion. Or whatever echo chamber you're learning from.

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Congrats on *****ing about something that I made no comment about.

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Massie is 1000 times worse than John McCain

by every single metric.

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We are in agreement!

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What I get from this thread:

Texags "conservatives" have gone from "Drain the swamp!" to "Leave the swamp alone, Massie!"

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Yup. All because their cult leader, who was born a yankee on third base, and who couldn't care less about them, told them so. Tribal politics is utterly fascinating.

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Massie is a self serving opportunist that finally found his circumstance...

The guy can't work with anyone to get anything done; then suddenly in 2025 starts working with Democrats to try to smear Trump via the Epstein windmill tilt. In the process guarantees he's got 4 billionaire pedophiles ID'd who are really just regular Schmo's... doesn't apologize or take any accountability and keeps right on blaming/lying/distracting from real business.

There are 10 solid initiatives he could be working on to improve our plight, but as some posted, he's just looking for credit for who knows what...not anything helpful.


So, yes, OP, he is worse than McCain. Seen a million guys like this; thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can't work with anyone to get something done. Massie's never served anything but himself.

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The guy that forced Trump to release the files is worse than the guy who was the deciding vote for Obamacare? All Trump had to do was endorse the release and there would be no beef with Massie. Instead he insulted his base as "panicans" for caring about him following through on his promises on this issue. Doesn't help that his commerce secretary got caught lying about his relationship with JE. Now if he puts forward good ideas like the below, they don't go anywhere because GOP politicians don't have the cojones to support a good idea from somebody DJT doesn't like, even though Obama used this same FISA court to get away with spying on the 2016 Trump campaign.

BLOCKED: My amendment to stop warrantless surveillance of Americans via loopholes in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). pic.twitter.com/JyDtrTL4CQ

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If the Senate accepted those amendments, it would have to go back to the House...

Which was in recess...

And the deadline to get it passed was imminent...

I like the amendments, but they weren't ever going anywhere due to logistics...

And Massie knows that.

Massie

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Left and Right are incompatible right now as shown by how little cross-party voting there is, and that is a recipe for disaster in the long run. And in my opinion the fault significantly lies with the D voters, though the GOP voters are starting to advocate for the same team over policy mantra that the D's started two decades ago.

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I am not a team over party voter, but we stand at the precipice, Republican legislators have accomplished NOTHING in over a year in power and the window to accomplish anything is closing. Democrat judges don't care about the law and are assaulting the Constitution and republicans refuse to confirm Trump's appointments. What will the result of that be? More democrats will fill seats and finish off the Republic. Republicans to fiddle while Rome burns and constituents are not getting anything they voted for. Trump is the only person even pretending to care what America needs.

Democrats today are all marxists and they are salivating at the thought of turning the entire country into California.

BUT MUH EPSTEIN!

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book. When given the choice of bending even further in the hopes of holding off what seems to be an unbendable and every growing force (D's party over policy block), Ellis would instead burn what he built down and let them try to rebuild it themselves all while he goes elsewhere where freedom and prosperity is cherished.

With the left and right being incompatible, he would be advocating for upending the team over policy nonsense that is clearly what is being played now no matter how many times some say they aren't a team over policy voter. He certainly wouldn't be complaining how the R's have accomplished nothing therefore we need to further rally around the R's and hope they start doing something.

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There are about 50 RINOs we need to get rid of more than Massie but go on. Massie may literally be the smartest guy in Congress and he says and does what he believes in. I certainly wish he would play a little more team ball but he fights for issues and not parties. What we need though are more completely corrupt weenies that enrich themselves on our tax money and only care about their own power and being re-elected.

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Massie earned a BSc in electrical engineering in 1993 and a MSc in mechanical engineering in 1996 from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie#cite_note-MITlem00-9][9][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie#cite_note-10][10][/url] His master's thesis was titled "Initial haptic explorations with the phantom: virtual touch through point interaction."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie#cite_note-11][11][/url] He participated in the MIT Solar Electric Vehicle Team in 1990, helping to build the team's car, Galaxy. In the team's first race in 1990, he was the driver for Galaxy in the 1990 GM Sunrayce, finishing at Churchill Downs after ten days, winning sixth place.

In 1992, Massie won MIT's then-named 2.70 ("Introduction to Design and Manufacturing", now named 2.007) Design Competition.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie#cite_note-15][15][/url] MIT professor Woodie Flowers, who pioneered the 2.70 contest, mentioned that Massie watched this contest on television in seventh grade and wanted to come to MIT to win it.

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Massie is a self serving opportunist that finally found his circumstance...

The guy can't work with anyone to get anything done; then suddenly in 2025 starts working with Democrats to try to smear Trump via the Epstein windmill tilt. In the process guarantees he's got 4 billionaire pedophiles ID'd who are really just regular Schmo's... doesn't apologize or take any accountability and keeps right on blaming/lying/distracting from real business.

There are 10 solid initiatives he could be working on to improve our plight, but as some posted, he's just looking for credit for who knows what...not anything helpful.


So, yes, OP, he is worse than McCain. Seen a million guys like this; thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can't work with anyone to get something done. Massie's never served anything but himself.

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Wow. This is embarrassing.

For you. You're actually not conservative in the least. You must really love your savior...Trump...good luck with that.

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TDS is like playing "whose line is it anyway". Everything is a conspiracy and results don't matter.

No one will be prosecuted for sex crimes. All the "victims" have been payed off and/or discredited. Epstein is still dead. In the meantime, elections are not secure, fraud in social programs are beyond imagination, leftist judges continue to step out of their Article duties to the thwart voter will, et al, as nauseum....and Democrats, and the ever so serious concerned moderates, continue to invent new slanders every day divorced from the reality we see around us.

Legislative opportunities are being squandered because a bad guy that started doing bad things when Jimmy Carter was president largely got away with it until he didn't. Hope you and Sancho are happy when distractions like this create mid term disaster.

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Trying to blame Massie for the upcoming congressional loss is quite the take. We will lose the House because of many things but Massie isn't one of them. Massie is the way forward. Not the obstruction.

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I agree 100%. Some of us can see the forest.

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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This isn't an Epstein issue. It's a government vs people issue. The Epstein topic at hand just so happen to be what the peasants clutch their pearls at.

And by advocating for the GOP to continue their team over policy nonsense, you are allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. The GOP moves one step right at most when in power and the Democrats take two steps left when in power. The historical pendulum is therefore biased to the left therefore your premise of "most important election ever" and "if we don't support the GOP then nothing will happen" are nonsense from the onset because the GOP already does little to nothing when they do have power.

You may see the start of the forest, but you aren't looking deep enough to see the long term consequences of why advocating for the short term "team win now" is going to hurt your children even more later.

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OK, but it is a thread about nothing. Massie claims to be America first and I agree with him on reducing money we send overseas, to everyone. However, he looks RINOish with things like is passionate take on the Epstein files. Again, we all know nobody will ever be held to account because they (both parties) never hold anyone accountable for demonic activities, fraud, or all the other abuses politicians impose on us serfs.

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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They can sit around and tell all their kids about the time Massie stood up for his principles with the room lit by candles (because the windmills aren't turning and it is nighttime) after the dems managed to get the green new deal two passed because they know how to vote together when it counts.

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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They can sit around and tell all their kids about the time Massie stood up for his principles with the room lit by candles (because the windmills aren't turning and it is nighttime) after the dems managed to get the green new deal two passed because they know how to vote together when it counts.

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If you let America get to that point from the comfort of your keyboard then you are just as much to blame. The fear mongering is hilarious if you want to keep America together under the hypothetical that D's get perpetual power and try to push that distopian future.

I won't let my kids deal with that nonsense and would rather deal with it now. But you can enjoy telling your kids how you told those big bad conservatives that it's their fault for not being more moderate.