The new 'Maverick'. Barf
Massie is worse than John McCain
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Silent For Too Long said:Colonel Kurtz said:
If the President had only released the files like he promised to, we'd never be hearing about Massie again.
He did release the files.
Because Massie forced him to lol
txags92 said:aggie93 said:txags92 said:aggie93 said:
There are about 50 RINOs we need to get rid of more than Massie but go on. Massie may literally be the smartest guy in Congress and he says and does what he believes in. I certainly wish he would play a little more team ball but he fights for issues and not parties. What we need though are more completely corrupt weenies that enrich themselves on our tax money and only care about their own power and being re-elected.
What we need are more guys who understand that when you get into a down and dirty political fight with democrats, being the most principled guy in the fight doesn't help win anything. There is a time and place to grandstand on principles, and the times he has chosen have not been ideal. The whole Epstein files fight made a bunch of noise, but distracted congress from a lot of other much more important things they could have been doing (codifying the DOGE cuts for one).
Ok, well at least you admit you would rather have a corrupt weenie that is mainly concerned with their own power and enriching themselves so long as they cater to you when it's politically expedient. That's fine.
I don't agree with Massie on many things but he has been outspoken on Epstein for a LONG time and it is one of the reasons he didn't endorse Trump and has paid a heavy political price for it. I'd much rather have a Chip Roy type who picks their battles a little more carefully but like I said we need to get rid of about 50 other RINOs more than getting rid of Massie. He is exactly what he presents to be.
Who says I want somebody corrupt? I want people who can look at priorities and understand what is really important and what is flashy but worthless. Was he right to want the files released? Absolutely. Was it a good idea to pick a big fight within the R party when we have a lot of things that are more important to get done before the mid-terms? Absolutely not.
We are in a dogfight with the Ds right now and if we lose the midterms, the chance to get anything meaningful done goes away for the rest of Trump's term. So we should be laser focused in congress on making the kinds of moves that will cause meaningful change in how America is governed and how we spend tax payer money. And instead, we have Massie over here crowing about refusing to vote for something because Johnson didn't unzip and fellate him publicly for his relatively meaningless accomplishment.
My argument is there are 50 guys we need to get rid of ahead of Massie and not that I agree with what Massie is doing. There are at least 50 corrupt RINOs in Congress and Johnson is one of them (though far from the worst). Guys that will sell their vote in a heartbeat for a committee assignment or campaign funds or a promise not to be primaried. Folks that sure as hell don't want any laws banning insider trading for Congress members. They will absolutely avoid tangling with Trump though publicly, they will just get their payoff behind closed doors.
Massie wanted Johnson to admit the truth publicly instead of continuing to lie about him. Now I guess you can consider that "fellating" him but I don't. Johnson has done everything he can to destroy Massie because he doesn't compromise. I can understand why but I also understand why Massie also won't bend.
So by default you would prefer another corrupt Congressman that will sell out anything for their own power and that's really ok, that's what most of the choices are. I disagree or at least think we have a LOT of guys we need to get rid of before we continue to spend massive amounts of GOP resources trying to get rid of Massie instead of trying to defeat Democrats.
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I am sure I could agree with you on most if not all of those 50. But you know what? We have a 1 vote margin right now. So we need every one of those slimeballs if we want to get anything done. If there is even one guy in the boat rowing in the other direction, like Massie is, it stops anything else important from getting done. So we have to hold our noses, agree to disagree on some things, and get some **** done before the midterms, after which there is at least a 50/50 chance nothing gets done for the next 2 years. All Massie and his grandstanding about his principles is accomplishing is extending the D agenda of preventing anything meaningful from getting accomplished before the mid-terms and I don't think any R should be celebrating him for that.
shiftyandquick said:
You know a Republican has gone rogue when he actually demands that the Epstein files not be covered up.
I doubt a more ignorant comment can be made in regards to the OP than this one.
txags92 said:shiftyandquick said:AGHouston11 said:
I don't even like him but you know if Trump would have done what he and his admin promised then Massie would be a non issue!
Now all you hear is Trumps admin is the most transparent- no they are not ! Massie forced them to do what they promised then REFUSED to deliver on.
Now it's a smear campaign on the guy even more. You know in Bondi's own words he's a failed politician.
Except he's one of the ONLY REASONS the files that have been released were.
Trumps administration will find out in November when the the base doesn't turn out and it's by their own choosing. It's a sad thing to watch as they screwed over the people that voted for them.
I have lots of people I personally know that posted all the time during the Biden administration that "Epstein didn't kill himself" and those kinds of memes.
Those guys are now as quiet as church mice about Epstein. They still are 100% MAGA and 100% support Trump, but they don't talk about the Epstein files at all. They know they have been compromised and are obvious hypocrites. And many of them don't appreciate being put in that position. Of taking the side of child abusers. It's the most absolute kind of loyalty where any decent person would feel sick.
Anybody who thought that anything meaningful about anybody important was going to be in those files after 4 years of the Biden/deep state boys having their chance to leak anything that reflected badly on Trump and nearly a year of Trump's crew looking through them to find things that would reflect badly on democrats is delusional. The whole fight in congress over forcing the release of them is an own goal by Massie and the Rs. Yes, they should have been released. But looking at what it took to make it happen and what didn't happen while they were fighting about it, was it worth it? No. It was a successful diversion that kept congress from working on other more important things, which is a win for the Ds, masterminded by MTG and Massie.
All Trump had to do to beat this mastermind plan from MTG and Massie was endorse the release of the files. Instead he cried hoax and called anybody still talking about it a "panican". Its not Massie's fault that Trump took the most idiotic stance on the easiest political issue of the century.
PaulsBunions said:txags92 said:shiftyandquick said:AGHouston11 said:
I don't even like him but you know if Trump would have done what he and his admin promised then Massie would be a non issue!
Now all you hear is Trumps admin is the most transparent- no they are not ! Massie forced them to do what they promised then REFUSED to deliver on.
Now it's a smear campaign on the guy even more. You know in Bondi's own words he's a failed politician.
Except he's one of the ONLY REASONS the files that have been released were.
Trumps administration will find out in November when the the base doesn't turn out and it's by their own choosing. It's a sad thing to watch as they screwed over the people that voted for them.
I have lots of people I personally know that posted all the time during the Biden administration that "Epstein didn't kill himself" and those kinds of memes.
Those guys are now as quiet as church mice about Epstein. They still are 100% MAGA and 100% support Trump, but they don't talk about the Epstein files at all. They know they have been compromised and are obvious hypocrites. And many of them don't appreciate being put in that position. Of taking the side of child abusers. It's the most absolute kind of loyalty where any decent person would feel sick.
Anybody who thought that anything meaningful about anybody important was going to be in those files after 4 years of the Biden/deep state boys having their chance to leak anything that reflected badly on Trump and nearly a year of Trump's crew looking through them to find things that would reflect badly on democrats is delusional. The whole fight in congress over forcing the release of them is an own goal by Massie and the Rs. Yes, they should have been released. But looking at what it took to make it happen and what didn't happen while they were fighting about it, was it worth it? No. It was a successful diversion that kept congress from working on other more important things, which is a win for the Ds, masterminded by MTG and Massie.
All Trump had to do to beat this mastermind plan from MTG and Massie was endorse the release of the files. Instead he cried hoax and called anybody still talking about it a "panican". Its not Massie's fault that Trump took the most idiotic stance on the easiest political issue of the century.
Agree. Trump is a terrible tactician when it comes to dealing with congress and his personal attacks make things far worse than they need to be. But Massie should be able to put aside his personal disagreements with Trump and Johnson when they conflict with getting important **** done for the good of the country. Grandstanding about wanting a public apology from Johnson as the price of getting his vote on things he would otherwise vote for willingly is narcissistic and just as stupid and childish as Trump attacking him.
Needing and requiring a pat on the back because of a stance on the Epstein files is juvenile and petty then turning around and holding other important legislation hostage because of it shows a ton about one's principles and beliefs.
Ridiculous. This isn't just some other standard issue policy debate. If we can't expect our government to produce and prosecute pedophiles, it's over. This has to be a red line. Most sane people are glad Massie is holding firm. Get outside of F16 and fox news on occasion. Or whatever echo chamber you're learning from.
shiftyandquick said:
You know a Republican has gone rogue when he actually demands that the Epstein files not be covered up.
Yes...
Because he has the same position that EVERY Democrat has...
You can turn off signatures, btw
Rapier108 said:
Always funny to see who defends Massie.
#1 Leftists
#2 Epsteiners
#3... <crickets>
Conservatives.
Unlike those that support party over principles because winning from the middle is more important than being conservative to them.
Imagine if we had a Congress full of individuals with their own set of principles that had to work together and compromise. That would be significantly better than the two party mud flinging we have now where all that matters is which team wins and policy is a distant second.
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Massie is probably the only GOP politician that isn't entirely sold out/useless. So actually the opposite of John McCain
I've got no issue with Massie as long as he's aligned with the voters who sent him to DC. That's the way our system works. I'm a lifelong (R), and if we want to advance our agenda over the objections of people like Massie, we need to do a better job recruiting candidates and winning elections so that independent actors like Massie don't blow up the larger agenda.
When you start narrowing in on a single or handful of legislators and saying they're the problem, you're looking through a straw. Step back, reassess, and do what it takes to earn a strong enough majority that those guys don't even register on the radar screen.
When you start narrowing in on a single or handful of legislators and saying they're the problem, you're looking through a straw. Step back, reassess, and do what it takes to earn a strong enough majority that those guys don't even register on the radar screen.
shiftyandquick said:AGHouston11 said:
I don't even like him but you know if Trump would have done what he and his admin promised then Massie would be a non issue!
Now all you hear is Trumps admin is the most transparent- no they are not ! Massie forced them to do what they promised then REFUSED to deliver on.
Now it's a smear campaign on the guy even more. You know in Bondi's own words he's a failed politician.
Except he's one of the ONLY REASONS the files that have been released were.
Trumps administration will find out in November when the the base doesn't turn out and it's by their own choosing. It's a sad thing to watch as they screwed over the people that voted for them.
I have lots of people I personally know that posted all the time during the Biden administration that "Epstein didn't kill himself" and those kinds of memes.
Those guys are now as quiet as church mice about Epstein. They still are 100% MAGA and 100% support Trump, but they don't talk about the Epstein files at all. They know they have been compromised and are obvious hypocrites. And many of them don't appreciate being put in that position. Of taking the side of child abusers. It's the most absolute kind of loyalty where any decent person would feel sick.
ZERO of the left...INCLUDING YOU...were quiet as a church mouse during that Biden administration. The first time the Dems gave a **** about it was when Trump said he didn't care anymore...
Why didn't you care THEN, but all of a sudden care NOW????
Oh yeah...partisan politics...
You can turn off signatures, btw
Plain and simple, boomers have been brainwashed. Anything with an R is automatically "good"
I find it strange that many republicans here bash democrats for voting blindly for their party, and then do the same thing.
Massie is one of the few politicians that wants to balance the budget, wants to expose the Epstein list, and isn't purchased by AIPAC. If you think any of these are bad, well, you need to take a look into what you really want for your children and your children's children.
Independents, like myself, voted for Trump because of DOGE, cleaning the swamp, securing our borders, and the Epstein list.
Trump broke his promises. Would have I preferred Kamala? No, but that doesn't take away the disappointment I have in his presidency.
Massie is one of the few politicians that wants to balance the budget, wants to expose the Epstein list, and isn't purchased by AIPAC. If you think any of these are bad, well, you need to take a look into what you really want for your children and your children's children.
Independents, like myself, voted for Trump because of DOGE, cleaning the swamp, securing our borders, and the Epstein list.
Trump broke his promises. Would have I preferred Kamala? No, but that doesn't take away the disappointment I have in his presidency.
Ag with kids said:shiftyandquick said:AGHouston11 said:
I don't even like him but you know if Trump would have done what he and his admin promised then Massie would be a non issue!
Now all you hear is Trumps admin is the most transparent- no they are not ! Massie forced them to do what they promised then REFUSED to deliver on.
Now it's a smear campaign on the guy even more. You know in Bondi's own words he's a failed politician.
Except he's one of the ONLY REASONS the files that have been released were.
Trumps administration will find out in November when the the base doesn't turn out and it's by their own choosing. It's a sad thing to watch as they screwed over the people that voted for them.
I have lots of people I personally know that posted all the time during the Biden administration that "Epstein didn't kill himself" and those kinds of memes.
Those guys are now as quiet as church mice about Epstein. They still are 100% MAGA and 100% support Trump, but they don't talk about the Epstein files at all. They know they have been compromised and are obvious hypocrites. And many of them don't appreciate being put in that position. Of taking the side of child abusers. It's the most absolute kind of loyalty where any decent person would feel sick.
ZERO of the left...INCLUDING YOU...were quiet as a church mouse during that Biden administration. The first time the Dems gave a **** about it was when Trump said he didn't care anymore...
Why didn't you care THEN, but all of a sudden care NOW????
Oh yeah...partisan politics...
Exactly. 100% of her posts are bashing Trump.
If Trump had released the files on day 1, Shifty would be on here screaming about how he undermined our national security and is a dictator who didn't respect the independence of the DOJ.
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AGHouston11 said:annie88 said:
They've released most if not all of it.
Again not sure where the information is coming from.
You are listening to the same idiots that forgot the whole stash the FBI office had after their binder release.
Sure, buddy. Whatever makes you feel good.
“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
Not even close. You just disagree with massie. John McCain wanted your sons to die in war for foreign princes.
I've been a huge massie fan forever. Hes still more right than trump. But his tds has taken him off the rails, I've been very annoyed with him.
I've been a huge massie fan forever. Hes still more right than trump. But his tds has taken him off the rails, I've been very annoyed with him.
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Independents, like myself, voted for Trump because of DOGE, cleaning the swamp, securing our borders, and the Epstein list.
He's done all 4?
Sounds pretty petty by Massie requiring a thank you to get his vote, but he is in no way a John McCain. McCain suuuuuucked and was a spiteful establishment a**hole.
Silent For Too Long said:Colonel Kurtz said:
If the President had only released the files like he promised to, we'd never be hearing about Massie again.
He did release the files.
He was forced and no, they haven't released them all.
ETFan said:Silent For Too Long said:Colonel Kurtz said:
If the President had only released the files like he promised to, we'd never be hearing about Massie again.
He did release the files.
He was forced and no, they haven't released them all.
If only we had Biden to do it!
KentK93 said:
He like attention and cloaks it in being principled.Quote:
The interviewer asked, "When was the last time you talked to Speaker Johnson about the Epstein matter at all?"
"One day, they needed my vote, and I offered to give them my vote if he would issue a press release thanking me for my good work on the Epstein Files Transparency Act," Massie replied. "That's all I required to get my vote. And I think he probably went and gave somebody else a bill to pass instead of doing the public statement."
https://pjmedia.com/chris-queen/2026/02/18/massies-price-for-a-vote-a-press-release-and-a-pat-on-the-head-n4949653
https://redstate.com/bradslager/2026/02/18/a-new-politico-interview-exposes-thomas-massie-n2199299Thomas Massie has gone toe-to-toe with Donald Trump, Mike Johnson and Pam Bondi — and he says there’s more to come.
— POLITICO (@politico) February 17, 2026
The rebel Republican shares his ominous prediction for the GOP, his strategy to dig even deeper into the Epstein files and more👇 https://t.co/PpOfuFAttB
Release the ****ing files
Quote:
I offered to give them my vote if he would issue a press release thanking me for my good work on the Epstein Files Transparency Act," Massie replied. "That's all I required to get my vote.
How principled!
I wouldn't compare him to McCain; McCain had more real influence.
shiftyandquick said:jrdaustin said:shiftyandquick said:
You know a Republican has gone rogue when he actually demands that the Epstein files not be covered up.
Let's break down the logic of your statement...
You realize you're actually alleging that Massie is holding the Trump administration's feet to the fire for "covering up" Epstein files that THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S DOJ had and chose not to release.
Are you willing to reply and admit you actually believe that allegation? Or are you willing to man up and acknowledge that the above scenario would never happen? Or, will you just take Door #3 and slink back into the shadows?
You think you got me because Biden did something bad/wrong too?
How about you have some principles and demand that EVERYONE do the right thing.
It should be a bannable offense to have the posting history you do and to say something so hypocritical like that.
txags92 said:
I am sure I could agree with you on most if not all of those 50. But you know what? We have a 1 vote margin right now. So we need every one of those slimeballs if we want to get anything done. If there is even one guy in the boat rowing in the other direction, like Massie is, it stops anything else important from getting done. So we have to hold our noses, agree to disagree on some things, and get some **** done before the midterms, after which there is at least a 50/50 chance nothing gets done for the next 2 years. All Massie and his grandstanding about his principles is accomplishing is extending the D agenda of preventing anything meaningful from getting accomplished before the mid-terms and I don't think any R should be celebrating him for that.
The larger problem is Trump appointed a blowhard for AG who loves to scream and act tough but doesn't do anything. I also was among those who said that Epstein would be a problem for Trump and that was one of the reasons I supported DeSantis. Johnson has also done an amazing job of squandering his majority.
I don't like what Massie is doing but the problem isn't coming from the conservative guy that is doing exactly what he said he would do. That's a lot more than Johnson can say. He would be much wiser to work with him instead of fighting him while he sucks up to the RINOs and does all he can to protect them.
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Ronald Reagan
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The comparison to Hillary's uniparty drinking buddy McCain is weird. which makes this thread weird.
I suppose if you really love Trump like he's your daddy you're mad that Massie isn't falling in line like a sycophant.
I suppose if you really love Trump like he's your daddy you're mad that Massie isn't falling in line like a sycophant.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/epstein-files-released-trump-percent-b2921206.htmlannie88 said:
They've released most if not all of it.
Yeah, nah. Ya man is covering up a child sex abuse ring.
npc said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/epstein-files-released-trump-percent-b2921206.htmlannie88 said:
They've released most if not all of it.
Yeah, nah. Ya man is covering up a child sex abuse ring.
Yeah, the guy who was the first to report it in 2006 is now covering it up.
Makes a lot of sense.
npc said:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/epstein-files-released-trump-percent-b2921206.htmlannie88 said:
They've released most if not all of it.
Yeah, nah. Ya man is covering up a child sex abuse ring.
Liberals are so freaking weird yet predictable
Amazing to watch every lefty seminar poster and sock come out of the woodwork to defend Massie while the fierce libertarians try to convince us he is the one true conservative we should all rally around. Very odd confluence of opinions…
shiftyandquick said:
You know a Republican has gone rogue when he actually demands that the Epstein files not be covered up.
When they had control of everything, and major TDS, why didn't the democrats release when they had complete control?
shiftyandquick said:jrdaustin said:shiftyandquick said:
You know a Republican has gone rogue when he actually demands that the Epstein files not be covered up.
Let's break down the logic of your statement...
You realize you're actually alleging that Massie is holding the Trump administration's feet to the fire for "covering up" Epstein files that THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S DOJ had and chose not to release.
Are you willing to reply and admit you actually believe that allegation? Or are you willing to man up and acknowledge that the above scenario would never happen? Or, will you just take Door #3 and slink back into the shadows?
You think you got me because Biden did something bad/wrong too?
How about you have some principles and demand that EVERYONE do the right thing.
Easy for you to crow now that your ideological brethren are no longer in charge.
You are sadly comical.
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