Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:




https://www.trumpstore.com


I wish this was AI generated.....doesn't appear to be.

People aren't really getting mad about a baseball hat, are they? Or that Fox ran different footage? Biden couldn't be bothered to attend these things and kept a watchful eye on his watch to spend as little time as possible.

Trump left a summit with the heads of state of most all countries in the Western Hemisphere… that he was hosting… to attend this transfer.

Wearing a baseball hat and using stock footage seems like a desperate search to get stunk up about.
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Mattressburn said:

Are people really shocked by bone spurs?

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,"

Former Trump aides also alleged that he did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees, saying, "it doesn't look good for me."

In 2017, he told the widow of a slain soldier that he "knew what he signed up for," according to a Florida congresswoman who heard the call.

Oh and then there was the whole Lord Farquaad quote that kicked off this whole mess.



This dude has no empathy for the people who sign up to serve our country and he shows it all the time.


You are going off 10 yr old campaign comments and not his actions as POTUS since then?

That's totally logical.
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Your President is pimping his merch during a funeral procession for solders who died in a war he started and a news outlet is covering for him.......

You don't see a problem with that?

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YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

Are people really shocked by bone spurs?

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,"

Former Trump aides also alleged that he did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees, saying, "it doesn't look good for me."

In 2017, he told the widow of a slain soldier that he "knew what he signed up for," according to a Florida congresswoman who heard the call.

Oh and then there was the whole Lord Farquaad quote that kicked off this whole mess.



This dude has no empathy for the people who sign up to serve our country and he shows it all the time.


You are going off 10 yr old campaign comments and not his actions as POTUS since then?

That's totally logical.

Yes, when people show you who they are again and again, it is logical to believe them. If we want to just use his actions from this term. There's the hat and the lord farquaad quote. We wouldn't be having this discussion if he had learned his lesson from the past comments where he disparaged military members.
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nortex97 said:

The UAE just attacked Iran directly (fighter bomber) for the first time ever. Kuwait won't do it but they did just cut oil production massively (if not completely) so it's costing them a literal fortune in cash flow.

Hopefully once this is over, we can have a real conversation about ending our participation in the farce that is Nato.

And also talk about strengthening our relationship wth the UAE and everyone else in the ME that is helping Israel and us with Iran.
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We should send that clown a bill for WWII.

Citing the number of men we lost in fighting Europe's war.
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Hopefully once this is over, we can have a real conversation about ending our participation in the farce that is Nato.


Yeah, and maybe we can talk about how the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia too.
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Mattressburn said:

YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

Are people really shocked by bone spurs?

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,"

Former Trump aides also alleged that he did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees, saying, "it doesn't look good for me."

In 2017, he told the widow of a slain soldier that he "knew what he signed up for," according to a Florida congresswoman who heard the call.

Oh and then there was the whole Lord Farquaad quote that kicked off this whole mess.



This dude has no empathy for the people who sign up to serve our country and he shows it all the time.


You are going off 10 yr old campaign comments and not his actions as POTUS since then?

That's totally logical.

Yes, when people show you who they are again and again, it is logical to believe them. If we want to just use his actions from this term. There's the hat and the lord farquaad quote. We wouldn't be having this discussion if he had learned his lesson from the past comments where he disparaged military members.


If you are going to complain about Trump, then pick something much more legitimate like tariffs. I'm sure there is some agreement on that one.

His hat is gauche but there are numerous examples while POTUS where he's gone out of his way to prioritize, respect, and emphasize with the military and veterans. Simply by refocusing their mission on killing enemies and not social justice and climate change shows the respect he has for them vs Democrats. Just a non-thing to get worked up over considering actual actions he's done in two terms.

And I think taking this quote and stating it's the equivalent of Lord Farquaad is a bit unfair as well. Sounds like honesty and Trump's usual practice of not using politispeak.

Quote:

"The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost and we may have casualties - that often happens in war - but we're doing this not for now, we're doing this for the future."
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:






So, IOW, they've already shown themselves to be more honest than CNN or MSNBC. Neither of whom would apologize for something like this during a Dem presidency.
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Hopefully once this is over, we can have a real conversation about ending our participation in the farce that is Nato.


Yeah, and maybe we can talk about how the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia too.

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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This Substack is spot on this is about China. The Trump administration is thinking strategically and pushing China out of the Western Hemisphere and now the Middle East:

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Squeezed by decades of American sanctions and increasingly isolated, Iran turned to China as its economic lifeline. The relationship deepened rapidly. Today, roughly 90 percent of Iran's crude oil exports go to China, processed through a network of Chinese refineries that operate beyond the reach of American sanctions enforcement. That oil revenue supplies around a quarter of Iran's budget, a huge portion of which is spent on Iran's military forces. The Iranian military is thus funded, in significant part, by Chinese purchases. Without Beijing, the regime cannot pay its security forces, cannot subsidize basic goods, and would soon face the kind of internal collapse that its own ideology has spent 40 years trying to prevent.
In other words, Iran has becomehas made itselfutterly dependent on China.




https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/this-isnt-israels-war-its-americas?r=tfmfm&utm_medium=ios
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KentK93 said:

This Substack is spot on this is about China. The Trump administration is thinking strategically and pushing China out of the Western Hemisphere and now the Middle East:

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Squeezed by decades of American sanctions and increasingly isolated, Iran turned to China as its economic lifeline. The relationship deepened rapidly. Today, roughly 90 percent of Iran's crude oil exports go to China, processed through a network of Chinese refineries that operate beyond the reach of American sanctions enforcement. That oil revenue supplies around a quarter of Iran's budget, a huge portion of which is spent on Iran's military forces. The Iranian military is thus funded, in significant part, by Chinese purchases. Without Beijing, the regime cannot pay its security forces, cannot subsidize basic goods, and would soon face the kind of internal collapse that its own ideology has spent 40 years trying to prevent.
In other words, Iran has becomehas made itselfutterly dependent on China.




https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/this-isnt-israels-war-its-americas?r=tfmfm&utm_medium=ios


Pushing them out of the Western Hemisphere is official policy as part of Hegseth's updated defense doctrine and was made public months ago. That's why we did what we did in VZ who also had their own little forward deployed Hezbollah outfit in Caracas, BTW.

IOW, Monroe Doctrine 2.0 or what is now being called Donroe Doctrine in the media.
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Kansas Kid said:

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Yeah, we've seen you post tweets making the same claim more than once. None turned out to be true.

China has reduced their Treasury holdings by about 50%. It has been over the last decade with an acceleration since 2022. That said, I wouldn't say they are dumping them. I believe it is mostly they are not reinvesting treasuries that mature.

ETA. This is a good thing for the USA because it greatly reduces the risk they could throw our economy into turmoil by dumping bonds into the market in case of further hostilities.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/foreign-treasury-holdings-china#:~:text=Foreign%20Treasury%20Holdings%20China%20in%20the%20United,news%20%2D%20updated%20on%20February%20of%202026.



So, when they reduce their holdings down to zero percent and we are kicking ass, what will they have left?
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Your President is pimping his merch during a funeral procession for solders who died in a war he started and a news outlet is covering for him.......

You don't see a problem with that?



He has long wore hats that you can find for sale on his websites. Sort of crazy too you can buy these from any merch seller from online to the little store in Trump Tower that is neither owned nor affiliated with Trump but sells nothing but Trump and MAGA merch (there is also an official Trump merch store about 30 feet away), and you can find these all over the mall.

Funny thing about POTUS, USA and even the name of POTUS, it is very hard to protect trademarks and such.

So was he pimping merch or wearing a hat? Did he have extra and then stopped to sign each one before demanding the families pledge their devotion to him and give him $4700 dollars or he was going to load the bodies back on the plane and drop them Pelosi?

I fail to see what the uproar is here. And why is there insinuation of some Fox News cover up. To what end?

The dude wore a ****ing hat. People need to deal, go touch grass... better yet follow my lead and smoke that grass. And relax, you have a thousand more days of this.
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Mattressburn said:

YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

Are people really shocked by bone spurs?

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,"

Former Trump aides also alleged that he did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees, saying, "it doesn't look good for me."

In 2017, he told the widow of a slain soldier that he "knew what he signed up for," according to a Florida congresswoman who heard the call.

Oh and then there was the whole Lord Farquaad quote that kicked off this whole mess.



This dude has no empathy for the people who sign up to serve our country and he shows it all the time.


You are going off 10 yr old campaign comments and not his actions as POTUS since then?

That's totally logical.

Yes, when people show you who they are again and again, it is logical to believe them. If we want to just use his actions from this term. There's the hat and the lord farquaad quote. We wouldn't be having this discussion if he had learned his lesson from the past comments where he disparaged military members.


Yes. Here is what Trump has shown who he is
- lower taxes
- strong border
- strong world presence
- strong economy
- America first in all decisions

I could go on if you would like.
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regarding hat-gate: this too shall pass


...before noon.
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Sid Farkas said:

regarding hat-gate: this too shall pass


...before noon.

It must be exhausting living with TDS. I truly feel sorry for those afflicted that feel the need to vent their faux outrage unless they're getting paid to do so.
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liberals are ****ing exhausting go outside touch grass dont' worry about a hat.
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Update; Australia is still run by pathetic dhimmi's.
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YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

Are people really shocked by bone spurs?

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,"

Former Trump aides also alleged that he did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees, saying, "it doesn't look good for me."

In 2017, he told the widow of a slain soldier that he "knew what he signed up for," according to a Florida congresswoman who heard the call.

Oh and then there was the whole Lord Farquaad quote that kicked off this whole mess.



This dude has no empathy for the people who sign up to serve our country and he shows it all the time.


You are going off 10 yr old campaign comments and not his actions as POTUS since then?

That's totally logical.

Yes, when people show you who they are again and again, it is logical to believe them. If we want to just use his actions from this term. There's the hat and the lord farquaad quote. We wouldn't be having this discussion if he had learned his lesson from the past comments where he disparaged military members.


If you are going to complain about Trump, then pick something much more legitimate like tariffs. I'm sure there is some agreement on that one.

His hat is gauche but there are numerous examples while POTUS where he's gone out of his way to prioritize, respect, and emphasize with the military and veterans. Simply by refocusing their mission on killing enemies and not social justice and climate change shows the respect he has for them vs Democrats. Just a non-thing to get worked up over considering actual actions he's done in two terms.

And I think taking this quote and stating it's the equivalent of Lord Farquaad is a bit unfair as well. Sounds like honesty and Trump's usual practice of not using politispeak.

Quote:

"The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost and we may have casualties - that often happens in war - but we're doing this not for now, we're doing this for the future."



Tariffs are a different thread. Back to the Iran fallout: there's a line between 'honesty' and 'indifference.' When you spend a decade disparaging the military, you lose the benefit of the doubt that your latest 'honest' comment about casualties is coming from a place of respect.

I didn't realize the Department of Defense was rebranded as the Department of John Wick. If you think the entire scope of the U.S. Military, from intelligence and deterrence to humanitarian aid, is just 'killing enemies,' then we're reading different manuals. Calling the Iran fallout a 'non-thing' while reducing our service members to simple instruments of lethality isn't 'refocusing the mission', it's dehumanizing it.
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So now this is a war. We started a war with Iran without preparing or receiving support from EU and Gulf Coast countries. We were not prepared for what Iran is doing or we were so arrogant we thought everybody would just join plus afterwards and this would be like Venezuela.

I'm more convinced the best thing Trump can do is declare victory tomorrow morning. Regime change wasnt one of the 4 objectives. So this still allows him to claim victory and Iran to claim victory. Fighting stops economic distraction stops.
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Mattressburn said:

YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

Are people really shocked by bone spurs?

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,"

Former Trump aides also alleged that he did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees, saying, "it doesn't look good for me."

In 2017, he told the widow of a slain soldier that he "knew what he signed up for," according to a Florida congresswoman who heard the call.

Oh and then there was the whole Lord Farquaad quote that kicked off this whole mess.



This dude has no empathy for the people who sign up to serve our country and he shows it all the time.


You are going off 10 yr old campaign comments and not his actions as POTUS since then?

That's totally logical.

Yes, when people show you who they are again and again, it is logical to believe them. If we want to just use his actions from this term. There's the hat and the lord farquaad quote. We wouldn't be having this discussion if he had learned his lesson from the past comments where he disparaged military members.


If you are going to complain about Trump, then pick something much more legitimate like tariffs. I'm sure there is some agreement on that one.

His hat is gauche but there are numerous examples while POTUS where he's gone out of his way to prioritize, respect, and emphasize with the military and veterans. Simply by refocusing their mission on killing enemies and not social justice and climate change shows the respect he has for them vs Democrats. Just a non-thing to get worked up over considering actual actions he's done in two terms.

And I think taking this quote and stating it's the equivalent of Lord Farquaad is a bit unfair as well. Sounds like honesty and Trump's usual practice of not using politispeak.

Quote:

"The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost and we may have casualties - that often happens in war - but we're doing this not for now, we're doing this for the future."



Tariffs are a different thread. Back to the Iran fallout: there's a line between 'honesty' and 'indifference.' When you spend a decade disparaging the military, you lose the benefit of the doubt that your latest 'honest' comment about casualties is coming from a place of respect.

I didn't realize the Department of Defense was rebranded as the Department of John Wick. If you think the entire scope of the U.S. Military, from intelligence and deterrence to humanitarian aid, is just 'killing enemies,' then we're reading different manuals. Calling the Iran fallout a 'non-thing' while reducing our service members to simple instruments of lethality isn't 'refocusing the mission', it's dehumanizing it.


I realize it's a different thread. I was suggesting for you to pick another topic where your argument had some validity because this one really doesn't. He hasn't spend a decade disparaging the military. Where are you getting that from?

Yes, I like the fact that the DOW has been rescoped to defending us and killing our enemies instead of focusing on far left wing b.s. like Obama and Biden had them doing. Thus, I like Hegseth's manual much better than the last guy who actually went MIA from the damn job and no one even knew about it!!!

And I in no way called Iran a non-thing. I was calling your outrage on this topic a non-thing. It's dumb hill to die on if that's what you are doing.

And speaking of indifference:


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Mattressburn said:

YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

YouBet said:

Mattressburn said:

Are people really shocked by bone spurs?

"He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,"

Former Trump aides also alleged that he did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees, saying, "it doesn't look good for me."

In 2017, he told the widow of a slain soldier that he "knew what he signed up for," according to a Florida congresswoman who heard the call.

Oh and then there was the whole Lord Farquaad quote that kicked off this whole mess.



This dude has no empathy for the people who sign up to serve our country and he shows it all the time.


You are going off 10 yr old campaign comments and not his actions as POTUS since then?

That's totally logical.

Yes, when people show you who they are again and again, it is logical to believe them. If we want to just use his actions from this term. There's the hat and the lord farquaad quote. We wouldn't be having this discussion if he had learned his lesson from the past comments where he disparaged military members.


If you are going to complain about Trump, then pick something much more legitimate like tariffs. I'm sure there is some agreement on that one.

His hat is gauche but there are numerous examples while POTUS where he's gone out of his way to prioritize, respect, and emphasize with the military and veterans. Simply by refocusing their mission on killing enemies and not social justice and climate change shows the respect he has for them vs Democrats. Just a non-thing to get worked up over considering actual actions he's done in two terms.

And I think taking this quote and stating it's the equivalent of Lord Farquaad is a bit unfair as well. Sounds like honesty and Trump's usual practice of not using politispeak.

Quote:

"The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost and we may have casualties - that often happens in war - but we're doing this not for now, we're doing this for the future."



Tariffs are a different thread. Back to the Iran fallout: there's a line between 'honesty' and 'indifference.' When you spend a decade disparaging the military, you lose the benefit of the doubt that your latest 'honest' comment about casualties is coming from a place of respect.

I didn't realize the Department of Defense was rebranded as the Department of John Wick. If you think the entire scope of the U.S. Military, from intelligence and deterrence to humanitarian aid, is just 'killing enemies,' then we're reading different manuals. Calling the Iran fallout a 'non-thing' while reducing our service members to simple instruments of lethality isn't 'refocusing the mission', it's dehumanizing it.


GTFO with the partisan BS. I'm a DoD/W member close to much of this. I am not the biggest fan of this admin or what's going on, but none of what is happening is outside the realm of reasonability for a military member. Iran sucks and has for a long time. Whether or not the time for them to fall is now is up to history, but we have been inching up to this moment (or avoiding it) for 3 POTUS admins now.
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HoustonAggie11 said:

liberals are ****ing exhausting go outside touch grass dont' worry about a hat.

They have got to be absolutely miserable people to be around. Totally mental.
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Pretty please.
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I did not wake up expecting to praise the FBI this am, but good for them.
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https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/gentlemens-agreements-sunday-march

An interesting article that ties together what may be Trump's plan for Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Venezuela, China, Taiwan, India, oil prices and U.S. inflation.
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So this still allows him to claim victory and Iran to claim victory.

The last of that is not at all what the Iranian people want. Iran claiming any form of victory that does not include absolute removal through death or abdication is no victory at all; it is the status quo. While they may lay low for a while, eventually this nation will reveal its collective stupidity by electing another America hating POS democrat - and then the re-arming will resume.
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JamesE4 said:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/gentlemens-agreements-sunday-march

An interesting article that ties together what may be Trump's plan for Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Venezuela, China, Taiwan, India, oil prices and U.S. inflation.

That's a little too 30d chess for my taste. A lot of things have to go perfect for that to happen, and all the parties involved get a vote. If it doesn't go just right, then all hell breaks loose.
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JamesE4 said:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/gentlemens-agreements-sunday-march

An interesting article that ties together what may be Trump's plan for Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Venezuela, China, Taiwan, India, oil prices and U.S. inflation.


I think there is merit here but it's bold and maybe a little 30D like HTown said.

However, I'll note that Trump's first attempt at freezing out China via trade failed and he threw in the towel on that. So this might simply be his Plan B which is more of an end around.
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That's a good piece. Not sure I really buy the 'going after China' angle directly but this does seem correct in itself;
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Far from being just another Middle East army, the IRGC runs oil, banking, telecom, agriculture, real estate, transportation, shipping, and even Tehran's international airport through its network of front groups and wholly owned subsidiaries. It's less of a military force and more of a Fortune 500 company with a rocket division. Like a Walmart with tanks.

The Jerusalem Post reported that Iran allocates a third of all oil revenue directly to the IRGC. The IRGC shipped about 85,000 barrels a day to Syria, and sells the rest mostly to China through a so-called "shadow fleet" designed to avoid sanctions. By blowing up the IRGC's own refinery, Trump wasn't just hurting "Iran" in a general sense he was trying to bankrupt the IRGC specifically, by collapsing its parallel economy.

Many folks are deeply confused about the significance of yesterday's refinery strike. It didn't damage Iran's ability to export oil, since the refinery strike on Tondgouyan didn't affect the country's export facilities like Kharg Island (more on that in a moment). It was a refinery for domestic fuel. Hitting Tondgouyan hit the IRGC's ability to keep its trucks and war machinery running, and undermined the regime's social compact selling fuel to its own population.

It was a precision strike on the IRGC's economic oxygen, not reckless chaos. And it did not degrade Iran's oil export capability, even though that's what the useless Times hopes to trick everyone into believing.
Tondgouyan was one gentleman's agreement shattered.

I guess I agree with the writer's take on Kharg Island as well, and removing Russian sanctions strategically would be logical.
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If this is Trump's actual plan, there is going to be absolute screeching when genpop hears about us lifting sanctions on Russia. Would put their sacred cow on the butcher block.
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We already eased some sanctions, no? Welker was turnt up about it and hammering Walsh on MTP (Walsh the UN Ambassador).
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flown-the-coop said:

We already eased some sanctions, no? Welker was turnt up about it and hammering Walsh on MTP (Walsh the UN Ambassador).


Narrowly with India and then Bessent said Friday we might go further.
 
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