aggiehawg said:

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How many years ago did I start that very long running thread about how EVs are for a niche market? Remove the subsidies and that niche market will define itself.

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Global market share double since you started that thread and now.

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aggiehawg said:

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How many years ago did I start that very long running thread about how EVs are for a niche market? Remove the subsidies and that niche market will define itself.

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Global market share double since you started that thread and now.

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Bless you heart.

Just a fact.

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techno-ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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Have you test driven one?
I was an EV sceptic, until I drove a Tesla.
Holy smokes, that thing will change your mind. 3 minutes in I was sold. Haven't regretted it.
In 10 years, I haven't met a single Tesla owner that doesn't love their car.

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Nice... but I don't like the look of Tesla cars. Seems boxish. If he improves on that I might buy. I am in the market right now.

Since you've praised Tesla once before as well, I'll go take a test drive sometime soon.

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techno-ag said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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Have you test driven one?
I was an EV sceptic, until I drove a Tesla.
Holy smokes, that thing will change your mind. 3 minutes in I was sold. Haven't regretted it.
In 10 years, I haven't met a single Tesla owner that doesn't love their car.

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No I have not driven a solid state battery one. Anxiously awaiting 8 minute charges to go 600 miles.

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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They're pretty great right now. My car does 0-60 in 2.9, has 300 miles of range, great tech, and is very comfortable and problem free. Plus I never have to go to a gas station.

techno-ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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That you are ignorant of reality doesn't mean reality doesn't exist. Fast charging is in production cars now.

In consumer cars now:
BYD flash charging 10-97% in 9 minutes.



In consumer cars this year:

CATL announced new battery capable of 10-90% in 6 minutes

CATL, the world’s largest battery manufacturer, has unveiled its 3rd-generation Shenxing LFP battery.

• 10% to 35% charge in 1 minute
• 10% to 80% in 3 minutes & 44 seconds
• 10% to 90% in 6.5 minutes.
• Even at temps as low as -30°C (-20°F), CATL said it can recharge from… pic.twitter.com/eUc0AVG7kB

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) April 21, 2026

Some folks on here prefer a horse and buggy before adjusting to changing tech.

aggiehawg said:

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Teslag said:

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aggiehawg said:

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How many years ago did I start that very long running thread about how EVs are for a niche market? Remove the subsidies and that niche market will define itself.

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The thread where EV sales have grown every year since you posted it and the Tesla Model Y became the best selling vehicle in the world?

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You are a slavish devotee to your username, I'll give you that. OTOH, you don't live on a ranch and routinely haul heavy trailers using a fifth wheel hitch, now do you?

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Ranch no, tow yes. Which is why I have a diesel truck and not a Tesla cybertruck. But for commuting and trip less than 1000 miles or so it's our Tesla all day every day.

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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And every year you keep having to move the goalposts on metrics for EV success. And every year more and more of the EV skeptics on this board keep going to the dark side and buying them.

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techno-ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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They're pretty great right now. My car does 0-60 in 2.9, has 300 miles of range, great tech, and is very comfortable and problem free. Plus I never have to go to a gas station.

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

Good for you. Happy for you.

Just wish EV devotees could let those of us who live in areas or have activities for which an EV is ill-suited and keep their functional ICE vehicles without being denigrated as Luddites.

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Are there any EV companies besides Tesla that seem to be able to stand on their own?

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BYD

Teslas are just so ugly, and rode in one when an uber driver picked me up and it was the most uncomfortable rattle trap ive ever been in.

Also, if they are so fast, why I am I constantly stuck behind one on the highway?

We're a family that drives a lot for life and youth sports. Have always had the big suv for my wife and a diesel 3/4 ton for me. With only one kid left at home we bought a model Y 3 weeks ago and have put 4200 miles on it already between her errands, soccer practice 75 miles away and trips to see the other girls out of state in college. It seemed practical but we had no idea how much we'd love it. The FSD is a game changer that wins over most everyone that experiences it. I now regret buying another ram just a few months ago instead of getting a cybertruck. Yes they're ugly but the comfort and FSD gets you over that real fast

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Why do people on this board hate EVs? The same people love Elon.

Makes no sense.

Most people are just like sheep. Their cult leader hates EVs so they hate EVs.

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Libs love EVs (and were super pushy about them), so a lot of conservatives concluded they were terrible. That was the end of the analysis.

I am fairly conservative but bought a Tesla in September right before the tax credit expired. It is so fun it makes you giggle like a kid. I didn't even buy the performance version that does 0-60 in 2.9 (just the dual motor that does it in 4.2) and the acceleration is still so hard you can feel the skin on your cheeks pulling back when you stomp it. Plus the instant response is so much better. You see a gap in traffic and you fly into it, no waiting for the gears to engage and the engine to Rev up. Way better.

If you're somebody that has to drive a crap ton for work (I don't know, like a landman that might visit 3 sites a hundred miles apart in a day), they aren't yet for you. but mine easily handles my 30-miles-each-way commute even if I have to make extra stops. They're already good enough for 90% of people even if the tech froze today.

looking to the near future, the big players are starting to say that the technology and pieces are in place to begin switching to solid state batteries: for example Toyota is building the actual manufacturing site and expects to start including them in cars next year. So we're not talking about some report out of a lab but a major capital expenditure based on what they can already do.

Of course, we have to get our idiot lawmakers to kill the stupid big brother additions to cars so that we can all actually buy ones made in 2027, but that's universal to gas and ev cars.

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GAC06 said:

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techno-ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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They're pretty great right now. My car does 0-60 in 2.9, has 300 miles of range, great tech, and is very comfortable and problem free. Plus I never have to go to a gas station.

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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The last time I used a supercharger, I added 100 miles in 11 minutes at Buc-ees in Katy. In 3 years, I have charged on 2 trips, all the rest was charging in my garage. I estimate I have saved over 12 hours and at least 150 stops versus buying gas.

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GAC06 said:

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techno-ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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They're pretty great right now. My car does 0-60 in 2.9, has 300 miles of range, great tech, and is very comfortable and problem free. Plus I never have to go to a gas station.

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I've never done a trip that long in my Tesla, but it would plan the necessary charging stop for you, taking into account available chargers.

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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Are there any EV companies besides Tesla that seem to be able to stand on their own?

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Rivian. They have a great product and I'm currently waiting to place my order on my new RS 2.

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The last time I looked at the JD Power reliability rankings, I think last year, Rivan was dead last………….gas, electric, and hybrid included.

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Every Rivian owner I know absolutely loves them and says it's the best car they've ever owned. My wife test drove one, and she is sold. There's no turning back now. I'm not a huge EV lover, but I was very impressed with their car, and it seems like many others are as well.

Also, I'm confident they will be around for the long haul due to the relationships they're building with Amazon, Volkswagen, and Uber.

This thread is already turning into a dogpile for the OP.

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infinity ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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techno-ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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They're pretty great right now. My car does 0-60 in 2.9, has 300 miles of range, great tech, and is very comfortable and problem free. Plus I never have to go to a gas station.

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I've never done a trip that long in my Tesla, but it would plan the necessary charging stop for you, taking into account available chargers.

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How long does it take at the station itself to charge for say 100 miles? Around 5-7 mins?

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infinity ag said:

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Why do people on this board hate EVs? The same people love Elon.

Makes no sense.

Most people are just like sheep. Their cult leader hates EVs so they hate EVs.

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Libs love EVs (and were super pushy about them), so a lot of conservatives concluded they were terrible. That was the end of the analysis.

I am fairly conservative but bought a Tesla in September right before the tax credit expired. It is so fun it makes you giggle like a kid. I didn't even buy the performance version that does 0-60 in 2.9 (just the dual motor that does it in 4.2) and the acceleration is still so hard you can feel the skin on your cheeks pulling back when you stomp it. Plus the instant response is so much better. You see a gap in traffic and you fly into it, no waiting for the gears to engage and the engine to Rev up. Way better.

If you're somebody that has to drive a crap ton for work (I don't know, like a landman that might visit 3 sites a hundred miles apart in a day), they aren't yet for you. but mine easily handles my 30-miles-each-way commute even if I have to make extra stops. They're already good enough for 90% of people even if the tech froze today.

looking to the near future, the big players are starting to say that the technology and pieces are in place to begin switching to solid state batteries: for example Toyota is building the actual manufacturing site and expects to start including them in cars next year. So we're not talking about some report out of a lab but a major capital expenditure based on what they can already do.

Of course, we have to get our idiot lawmakers to kill the stupid big brother additions to cars so that we can all actually buy ones made in 2027, but that's universal to gas and ev cars.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. The "conservatives" are just blind sheep who follow some cult leader in being against something rather than using their own intelligence.

I am looking for a new car I definitely will check out a Tesla this time.

An EV is certainly not for everyone and I don't currently own one. What's got me wanting a Tesla is not related to energy, rather the Full Self-Driving (Supervised). It's quite incredible how far it has come in the current release. Perhaps by next year it will be unsupervised meaning you can watch a football game while it drives you to a football game. Don't knock it until you try it…

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techno-ag said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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They're pretty great right now. My car does 0-60 in 2.9, has 300 miles of range, great tech, and is very comfortable and problem free. Plus I never have to go to a gas station.

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Let's say you are driving from A to B, 300 miles apart. You are low on battery and you find a place to charge. How long does it take? A gas station refill takes 5-7 mins. What about a Tesla?

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I've never done a trip that long in my Tesla, but it would plan the necessary charging stop for you, taking into account available chargers.

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It's actually a little more nuanced. The battery charges extremely fast from 0-50% and then slows down after that. So the less you charge the faster you get range. When you set a destination it maps your route with charging stops and how long you'll be at each stop. Many times more stops with less charging is faster than say filling up. If you'd have told me that I'd have said it's a no go, but with the increase in superchargers it's not very inconvenient. We made a 1350 mile trip from CS to Fayetteville Arkansas to Norman Oklahoma and back a week ago. I chose to max charge in ft smith so I'd have plenty charge left in Fayetteville and not need to charge again until on our next leg after all the running around. It's simple to plan for and adds very little to drive time.

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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8 minutes? Eff, that's fast.

If you can get that speed at a charging station you'll see people who live in apartments start buying them.

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I rented an Plug In Hybrid Jeep Wrangler 4xe a couple years ago and last year, I rented an EV Silverado.

On any kind of regular charger, you're talking hours to recharge.

Once you start looking at the fast chargers, check out how much power they draw.

We've got a different thread on here complaining about Data Centers and power usage but when you start talking about the power draw for a charger that gives you a 480 mile range in 8 minutes...

Look out. You're going to need some serious industrial strength power for that.

And without a doubt, your average California apartment from the 1960s (like the one I used to live in) is not going to make the investment to bring that kind of power in to retrofit their building. At least not until the California government makes them.

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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Have you test driven one?
I was an EV sceptic, until I drove a Tesla.
Holy smokes, that thing will change your mind. 3 minutes in I was sold. Haven't regretted it.
In 10 years, I haven't met a single Tesla owner that doesn't love their car.

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You know there's a stereotype, right?

There is a certain demographic who absolutely love them and I see them on the Seawall every Sunday afternoon.

Heck, it was even a story line in the show "Silicon Valley"

Those POS vehicles and similar efforts from traditional automakers are the reason the statistic quoted in the OP exists

infinity ag said:

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Why do people on this board hate EVs? The same people love Elon and lick his boots.

Makes no sense.

Most people are just like sheep. Their cult leader hates EVs so they hate EVs.

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Because they're revolting?

JClark97 said:

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An EV is certainly not for everyone and I don't currently own one. What's got me wanting a Tesla is not related to energy, rather the Full Self-Driving (Supervised). It's quite incredible how far it has come in the current release. Perhaps by next year it will be unsupervised meaning you can watch a football game while it drives you to a football game. Don't knock it until you try it…

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Given the number of crappy drivers out there, especially in places like Houston, Austin, San Antonio, there are a lot of people could benefit from the self-driving capability.

Since people refuse to drive properly, I support any technology that can get the Face Timers out of the left hand lane and let them focus on whatever it is they're doing that isn't driving.

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Those POS vehicles and similar efforts from traditional automakers are the reason the statistic quoted in the OP exists

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Don't worry, the Euros love EVs. And the Chinese love making them. So, there will be more competition in the future.

I saw a BYD dealership in Stuttgart when I was there last year and I saw a BYD from Mexico at a hotel in Waco last year so people are definitely buying the Chinese stuff.

You're right that American manufacturers have by and large just tried to electrify existing platforms and they've sucked. It will be interesting to see where the technology and the market goes.

Personally, I enjoy driving my vehicles that guzzle real gas and have a minimal amount of screen real estate.

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Teslas are just so ugly, and rode in one when an uber driver picked me up and it was the most uncomfortable rattle trap ive ever been in.

Also, if they are so fast, why I am I constantly stuck behind one on the highway?

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I've always thought the Model S had nice sleek lines. Don't care for anything else from Tesla, but I like the styling of the S. Couldn't afford one even if I wanted one, though.

I get it. I've seen your posts on the auto board about your 7 series. I had a 740iL when I was in my early twenties and it was awesome. I love my current EV though and it's clear to me that ICE vehicles are mostly done for personal transportation