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In reply to Iced-T14 • 2:38p, 6/30/26
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Iced-T14 said:
coolerguy12 said:
Explain to me where the left takes any nuance on anything. Your last presidential candidate couldn't say that she was opposed to abortions at 9 months. That's not nuance, that's evil.

Pick any item on my list and explain to me the subtle nuance of the democrat position that I'm too dumb to understand. Then explain the nuance in the polling I ended with.

JFK's party had nuance
Bill Clinton's party had nuance.
The current left hates America and actively supports her enemies. No nuance about it.

Careful with the "Your". I'm not a democrat. However, to appease you... Loving America does not require loving everything its government does, agreeing with every tradition, or surrendering your political beliefs to the Republican Party.

Your list is mostly a collection of strawmen. Democrats do not support "open borders," believe all white people or Christians are evil, or think "Muslims are good" as some monolithic group. Taxing billionaires is not the same as hating capitalism. Supporting police reform is not the same as hating police. Criticizing America is not the same as wanting to destroy it. In fact, the ability to criticize our government, protest, question authority and demand that the country live up to its stated principles is about as American as it gets.

The polling does show a major partisan difference (in pride, which is statedly different than "Loving your country"), but even your numbers are wrong. In 2022, 84% of Republicans and 52% of Democrats said they were extremely or very proud to be American, not 83% and 31%. The 31% figure was Democrats who were "extremely proud" in 2021. In 2025, the numbers were 92% and 36%.

More importantly, pride fluctuates depending on who controls the government and what is happening in the country. Republican pride has also fallen when Democrats held the presidency. Satisfaction with the current government for does not equal love of the country itself.

Patriotism is not "America is perfect, my party represents America, and everyone who disagrees is the enemy within." That is nationalism and tribalism.

You do not get to declare yourself the sole owner of America and then call half of your fellow citizens traitors for disagreeing with you. America belongs to them too.



The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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In reply to Iced-T14 • 3:38p, 6/30/26
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Iced-T14 said:
That's not my point. I agree that men shouldn't be playing women's sports. I do not agree that all Muslims are evil. Does that mean I hate America?


Just because not all Muslims are evil doesn't mean that on the whole there should be a policy to prevent those who are from entering or remaining in the United States. Is Konstantin Kisin's allegory about green apples nuanced enough for you or is that still to black and white?



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In reply to Iced-T14 • 3:44p, 6/30/26
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Who?mikejones! said:
Then I'd suggest democrat people not vote for democrat politicians who enact the policies which you claim they do not support- open borders etal.

You're monolithing.. in 2022, per PEW, 59% of Democrats wanted to increase security at the southern border. In 2023, per Gallup, 72% described immigration as a crisis or major problem. In 2026, a Harvard CAPS/Harris poll reportedly found 71% of Democrats supported deporting undocumented immigrants who had committed crimes, while 37% supported deporting all undocumented immigrants.

So to say that all want "open borders" is vastly untrue


Yet they all still vote for people that want open borders. It's been started multiple times already, but the modern left hates America, and those that vote for them are helping empower them to destroy America.

You can sit there with your thumbs in your ears rambling on about nuance all you want while waiting in a bread line with your kids. I'll continue doing what I can to preserve what made America great to begin with. Faith in God, a strong family unit, and hard work.
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In reply to coolerguy12 • 3:46p, 6/30/26
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Godless America haters.
(AKA Democrats).
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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In reply to techno-ag • 3:50p, 6/30/26
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Godless America haters.
(AKA Democrats).

The godless America haters are even worse than the Joel Osteen prosperity gospel "Christians"!
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In reply to Ulysses90 • 3:52p, 6/30/26
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That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?
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In reply to Iced-T14 • 3:58p, 6/30/26
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That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

People are telling you, you have to go by the official Democrat platform. If you vote Dem you are aligning with the hate America crowd, even if you personally hold some nuance on the subject.

Otherwise you seriously need to change parties.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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In reply to techno-ag • 4:10p, 6/30/26
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techno-ag said:
Iced-T14 said:
That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

People are telling you, you have to go by the official Democrat platform. If you vote Dem you aligning with the hate America crowd, even if you personally hold some nuance on the subject.

Otherwise you seriously need to change parties.
Voting for a Democrats does not mean someone hates America. It just means they have a different version for the future of America than you do. If you can't understand that simple concept, then there's nothing else to discuss
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In reply to Iced-T14 • 4:26p, 6/30/26
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Iced-T14 said:
techno-ag said:
Iced-T14 said:
That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

People are telling you, you have to go by the official Democrat platform. If you vote Dem you aligning with the hate America crowd, even if you personally hold some nuance on the subject.

Otherwise you seriously need to change parties.
Voting for a Democrats does not mean someone hates America. It just means they have a different version for the future of America than you do. If you can't understand that simple concept, then there's nothing else to discuss


That's the point we're trying to make. The left is past the point of discussion. They have no ability to think logically. It's all emotions based.

Charlie Kirk tried talking with them…

Question for you, is there a spot on your unrequested mail in ballot to check "I'm voting for this person but with nuance".
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In reply to Iced-T14 • 5:54p, 6/30/26
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Iced-T14 said:
techno-ag said:
Iced-T14 said:
That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

People are telling you, you have to go by the official Democrat platform. If you vote Dem you aligning with the hate America crowd, even if you personally hold some nuance on the subject.

Otherwise you seriously need to change parties.
Voting for a Democrats does not mean someone hates America. It just means they have a different version for the future of America than you do. If you can't understand that simple concept, then there's nothing else to discuss

I understand that voting Dem is hating America. The Dems despise America and our Constitutional freedoms. I understand that there is no greater enemy to America than the Democrat Party as it now stands.

Their "version of the future of America" as you put it is most certainly not the version I want.

You are correct. There is nothing else to discuss.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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In reply to coolerguy12 • 6:14p, 6/30/26
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coolerguy12 said:
Iced-T14 said:
techno-ag said:
Iced-T14 said:
That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

People are telling you, you have to go by the official Democrat platform. If you vote Dem you aligning with the hate America crowd, even if you personally hold some nuance on the subject.

Otherwise you seriously need to change parties.
Voting for a Democrats does not mean someone hates America. It just means they have a different version for the future of America than you do. If you can't understand that simple concept, then there's nothing else to discuss


That's the point we're trying to make. The left is past the point of discussion. They have no ability to think logically. It's all emotions based.

Charlie Kirk tried talking with them…

Question for you, is there a spot on your unrequested mail in ballot to check "I'm voting for this person but with nuance".


Remember when they tried so hard, even on here, to blame the Kirk assassination on the right too?!
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In reply to techno-ag • 6:16p, 6/30/26
techno-ag said:
Iced-T14 said:
techno-ag said:
Iced-T14 said:
That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

People are telling you, you have to go by the official Democrat platform. If you vote Dem you aligning with the hate America crowd, even if you personally hold some nuance on the subject.

Otherwise you seriously need to change parties.

Voting for a Democrats does not mean someone hates America. It just means they have a different version for the future of America than you do. If you can't understand that simple concept, then there's nothing else to discuss


I understand that voting Dem is hating America. The Dems despise America and our Constitutional freedoms. I understand that there is no greater enemy to America than the Democrat Party as it now stands.

Their "version of the future of America" as you put it is most certainly not the version I want.

You are correct. There is nothing else to discuss.

Correct, Democrats are my enemy, end of discussion.
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In reply to Hardcore Greg • 6:18p, 6/30/26
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Hardcore Greg said:
Iced-T14 said:
Who?mikejones! said:
Then I'd suggest democrat people not vote for democrat politicians who enact the policies which you claim they do not support- open borders etal.

You're monolithing.. in 2022, per PEW, 59% of Democrats wanted to increase security at the southern border. In 2023, per Gallup, 72% described immigration as a crisis or major problem. In 2026, a Harvard CAPS/Harris poll reportedly found 71% of Democrats supported deporting undocumented immigrants who had committed crimes, while 37% supported deporting all undocumented immigrants.

So to say that all want "open borders" is vastly untrue

Voting for something is the most direct and resolute form of support you can give it. These people can say they are Bible toting Puritans, but if they vote for evil cretins who import millions of third worlders in an effort to reshape this country, then they directly supported these actions. Also, EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT SENATOR supports biological men in womens' sports, showers and locker rooms. This is no secret. So you can say you are against these things, but if you vote democrat, you are in literal support of men in my daughter's sports and locker rooms. This makes you the direct enemy of me and my offspring. I don't care if they are 14 or 18 or 35...if I ever see a mentally ill cross dresser in my daughter's bathroom or other place designated for females, I am tuning them up...I've been waitng for the opportunity.

If Donald Trump or Senator Cruz supported locking up the gays or trans, and I voted for them, I, and others like me, would be DIRECTLY responsible if that ever became policy.

Make sense?

The bolded is an example of exactly how representative republics work.
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In reply to Iced-T14 • 6:39p, 6/30/26
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Iced-T14 said:
techno-ag said:
Iced-T14 said:
That's not at all what I said and you know it. This is just another version of the poison skittles fallacy. Should all Christian group be punished or grouped together based on the actions of Westboro Baptist?

People are telling you, you have to go by the official Democrat platform. If you vote Dem you aligning with the hate America crowd, even if you personally hold some nuance on the subject.

Otherwise you seriously need to change parties.
Voting for a Democrats does not mean someone hates America. It just means they have a different version for the future of America than you do. If you can't understand that simple concept, then there's nothing else to discuss


This is exactly the position that the Mensheviks took with respect to making common cause with their Marxist brethren Bolsheviks against the Tsar. They died by the hundreds of thousands with their mouths agape in shock as they were summarily tried, sentenced and executed in the same piles of bodies with the White Russians.

Th non-socialist Democrats today are the American Mensheviks but they are in denial about the DSA being fully ready to slit throats. First, MAGA, then the rest of the GOP, and finally the those Democrats they deem to be counter-revolutionary.

Th6s it has always been.

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6:53p, 6/30/26
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I was acceptable about nuanced ideas until a party tried to use a govt agency to mandate and enforce a shot I didn't want or need at the threat of my employment. Anyone that votes democrat after that is an American hating future socialist or ignorant and can't get over their Trump hate force fed by media.

Ignorant people are dangerous.

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In reply to Tony Franklins Other Shoe • 7:17p, 6/30/26
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There is a lot of nuance in experimental vaccines. You just aren't an enlightened fart sniffing intellectual so you couldn't possibly understand all the nuance involved.
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7:26p, 6/30/26
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Any news on the pool or this thread just off the rails for good?
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In reply to Barnyard96 • 7:30p, 6/30/26
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Barnyard96 said:
Any news on the pool or this thread just off the rails for good?




It's looking pretty good
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In reply to TAMUallen • 7:39p, 6/30/26
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TAMUallen said:
Barnyard96 said:
Any news on the pool or this thread just off the rails for good?




It's looking pretty good

Yep. Trump did exactly what he set out to do, despite the unhinged kooks on the left trying to sabotage the project. It looks fantastic, for a for a relatively small budget and more notably - on time. Hopefully they will take down the fencing for the 4th. I hope they have plenty of surveillance cameras recording so they can arrest and prosecute every nut job that tries to mess it up.
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TAMUallen said:
Barnyard96 said:
Any news on the pool or this thread just off the rails for good?




It's looking pretty good

This is what the left has become.

We have to lock up the Reflecting Pool like they lock up Hennessy in ghetto liquor stores because they just can't help themselves from being destructive...
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In reply to Ag with kids • 8:27p, 6/30/26
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TAMUallen said:
Barnyard96 said:
Any news on the pool or this thread just off the rails for good?




It's looking pretty good

This is what the left has become.

We have to lock up the Reflecting Pool like they lock up Hennessy in ghetto liquor stores because they just can't help themselves from being destructive...

Leftist "Judge" with a TRO in 3, 2, 1.....
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8:37p, 6/30/26
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They put fences up every july 4
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In reply to Ag with kids • 8:38p, 6/30/26
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We have to lock up the Reflecting Pool like they lock up Hennessy in ghetto liquor stores because they just can't help themselves from being destructive...

Don't have to go to a liquor store. Go to Walmart or a grocery store and see infant formula locked up. That's what leftist policies has led to. Complete normalization and acceptance of petty theft.
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In reply to Barnyard96 • 8:38p, 6/30/26
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They put fences up every july 4

Someone else, in history, once put up "fences".....
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Barnyard96 said:
They put fences up every july 4

They launch fireworks from there, so yeah off limits.
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9:48p, 6/30/26
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Trump's getting so desperate he's resorted to land mines to keep people away from the reflection pool.

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9:53p, 6/30/26
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Latest twitter campaign I've seen is that the fix is toxic to wildlife aka ducks.

They're running out of whines
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11:35p, 6/30/26
The coating is NSF 61 certified, which means it can be in contact with potable water.

Parasites in the reflecting pool have killed ducks before (around 2016)
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In reply to tk for tu juan • 11:36p, 6/30/26
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The coating is NSF 61 certified, which means it can be in contact with potable water.

Parasites in the reflecting pool have killed ducks before (around 2016)

Trump bought it, so it's the most certified of certified things ever. EVER!
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BigRobSA said:
Barnyard96 said:
They put fences up every july 4

Someone else, in history, once put up "fences".....

Well...

Until the Democrats stopped that fascist!!!
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Barnyard96 said:


Uh oh...

I see a deportation for Daffy there in 3...2...1...


And then a TRO and a request for a habeas trial!!!
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Ag with kids said:
TAMUallen said:
Barnyard96 said:
Any news on the pool or this thread just off the rails for good?




It's looking pretty good

This is what the left has become.

We have to lock up the Reflecting Pool like they lock up Hennessy in ghetto liquor stores because they just can't help themselves from being destructive...

Yep, just like Sully in 2020.
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6:22a
How will the ducks ever escape?
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Do fences keep things in, or keep things out…
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