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In reply to pagerman @ work • 7:47a, 5/10/26
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pagerman @ work said:
Ag with kids said:
pagerman @ work said:
Mucho austin said:
Who cares

Is the job getting done? Is it getting done under budget? Previous contracts couldn't do anything.

He knew they could do it, and it's getting done

Corruption, the prevention of which is the reason Federal Acquisition Regulations (i.e. the law) exist.

You're describing all the previous administrations that spent money on cleaning it up but never got it clean, right?

Right?

What previous administrations did or didn't do has zero bearing on this situation. At all.

Now I realize that on this board the number one, automatic, knee jerk defense of team A is to ignore the accusations against team A and point out some potential previous failing of team B, because if team B did something wrong well that completely absolves team A of any and all wrongdoing, both now and in perpetuity.

Except it doesn't. Previous malfeasance by any and all administrations has no bearing on what this administration may have done.

If previous administrations have been corrupt, start a new thread and present the evidence. But nothing presented in that thread will be exculpatory of what the current administration may have done.

It's really not difficult to.

I believe the point of emphasis is the never ending hypocrisy of the left and the media. The immoral main stream media and the corrupt democrat politicians will not bring up one instance of the staggering amount of fraud being uncovered every day. And since that fraud is showing to be laundered back and funding the democrats you can understand why.

Should this project follow protocol? Perhaps. But it would cost fives times what it will cost now and be completed at least five times longer doing it that way. There comes a time where things just need to get done. And I would wager a great deal of money there isn't any grift, corruption or kick backs in this project.
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7:48a, 5/10/26
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Oh man. Of all the things that this country needs to worry about, this has just got to rank way down the list.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 7:59a, 5/10/26
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BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!

What are you talking about? Or is this metaphoric?
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In reply to zephyr88 • 8:29a, 5/10/26
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zephyr88 said:
BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!

What are you talking about? Or is this metaphoric?


Big Rob does a great job pointing out all the ways that Trump is just like Hitler. For example, I had no idea that they both drank water and breathed air until Rob pointed it out.
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In reply to coolerguy12 • 8:31a, 5/10/26
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coolerguy12 said:
zephyr88 said:
BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!

What are you talking about? Or is this metaphoric?


Big Rob does a great job pointing out all the ways that Trump is just like Hitler. For example, I had no idea that they both drank water and breathed air until Rob pointed it out.

But, but, but... Trump is clean shaven. He can't be Hitler!
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8:50a, 5/10/26
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Just to put this in perspective, Hunter Biden may have spent $7M of tax payer money on crack and coke the 4 years he "stayed" at the White House
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In reply to BQ78 • 9:12a, 5/10/26
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BQ78 said:
So the government letting a problem fester for years makes it an emergency now? Not sure how the 250th anniversary makes it an emergency.

They at least bent the rules and I'll bet that J&A is interesting reading.


If I understand your theory of the alleged corruption, on Jan 20, 2025 President Trump told Susie Wiles, "Make sure that nobody gets busy fixing the reflecting pool on the Mall that Joe Biden drained. We're going to sit on that until March of 2026 so that the head of federal contracting for the District of Columbia can do a D&F to justify a sole-source contract and then draft a J&A to award the contract to my close friend that runs a woman-owned small construction business that already has the NAICS codes to qualify for this project. She donated to my campaign and you can be your ass she's going to get 5-10% profit margin on a 90 day sprint project for $6.9 million dollars."

You can't be serious. Donald Trump has spent more than $6.9MM of his own money just on Big Macs for sports teams visiting the Oval Office. Fixing the reflecting pool in time for the 250th birthday of the USA is typical DJT real estate developer activity. It's exactly the same play and playbook he used to fix the Wollman Ice Rink in Central Park 40 years ago. After the city government had dicked around with bad designs and bad contractors and wasted millions of dollars over a span of years, Donald Trump fixed it with his contractor and a better design in a matter of months. This is his signature move. Which is probably why his haters are whining about what's about to happen on the National Mall. They hate the idea of giving Trump credit for a clear blue reflecting pool that neither Biden nor Obama thought was important.


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In reply to Ulysses90 • 9:22a, 5/10/26
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I'm saying it wasn't an emergency and it should not have been sole source. Governor corruption is present no matter who is in charge. Is this pimple on my ass worse than the arm the Democrats cut off? No. But I would like a fair press and well run government. I expect to be denied on all counts.
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9:23a, 5/10/26
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Sounds like Trump wants the problem fixed on time rather than manage mountains of red tape, waste taxpayer dollars and still have the problem (which is how Democrats handled it). Instead like the builder he is, he moved forward and cut through the bureaucracy to have it finished on time.

The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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9:28a, 5/10/26
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I disagree. Having the national mall looking the way the architect designed it to look for the 250th is an emergency, at least to the level othat it justifies awarding a sole-source contract to fix the reflecting pool. Besides, the FAR is part of the C.F.R. implementation of the U.S.C. If the Democrats take control of Congress and want to hold hearings on the deviation granted to make the photos of the 250th birthday celebration look awesome, they can just add it to the list of charges when they impeach Trump for the third time.

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In reply to BigRobSA • 9:32a, 5/10/26
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BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!




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In reply to pagerman @ work • 9:40a, 5/10/26
pagerman @ work said:
MelvinUdall said:
pagerman @ work said:
Ag with kids said:
pagerman @ work said:
Mucho austin said:
Who cares

Is the job getting done? Is it getting done under budget? Previous contracts couldn't do anything.

He knew they could do it, and it's getting done

Corruption, the prevention of which is the reason Federal Acquisition Regulations (i.e. the law) exist.

You're describing all the previous administrations that spent money on cleaning it up but never got it clean, right?

Right?

What previous administrations did or didn't do has zero bearing on this situation. At all.

Now I realize that on this board the number one, automatic, knee jerk defense of team A is to ignore the accusations against team A and point out some potential previous failing of team B, because if team B did something wrong well that completely absolves team A of any and all wrongdoing, both now and in perpetuity.

Except it doesn't. Previous malfeasance by any and all administrations has no bearing on what this administration may have done.

If previous administrations have been corrupt, start a new thread and present the evidence. But nothing presented in that thread will be exculpatory of what the current administration may have done.

It's really not difficult to.


Is this contract cheaper or more than what the full bid contract would have been, do you know?

We'll never know, precisely because of the way it was awarded, which is the whole point.

Had it been competed, we would have a record of what companies submitted bids, what those bids were, how they were assessed, and a whole host of other information that would answer your question.

I would have bid $35 million, so there's that.
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 9:44a, 5/10/26
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pagerman @ work said:
Ag with kids said:
pagerman @ work said:
Ag with kids said:
pagerman @ work said:
Mucho austin said:
Who cares

Is the job getting done? Is it getting done under budget? Previous contracts couldn't do anything.

He knew they could do it, and it's getting done

Corruption, the prevention of which is the reason Federal Acquisition Regulations (i.e. the law) exist.

You're describing all the previous administrations that spent money on cleaning it up but never got it clean, right?

Right?

What previous administrations did or didn't do has zero bearing on this situation. At all.

Now I realize that on this board the number one, automatic, knee jerk defense of team A is to ignore the accusations against team A and point out some potential previous failing of team B, because if team B did something wrong well that completely absolves team A of any and all wrongdoing, both now and in perpetuity.

Except it doesn't. Previous malfeasance by any and all administrations has no bearing on what this administration may have done.

If previous administrations have been corrupt, start a new thread and present the evidence. But nothing presented in that thread will be exculpatory of what the current administration may have done.

It's really not difficult to.

Ok cool.

Describe EXACTLY what corruption happened and on which contracts.

Should be easy for you to give us details, since you're pretty adamant about the "corruption".

I await your detailed response.

I have not claimed there was any corruption. I await you quoting where I have done so.

I have pointed out that prior bad acts by previous administrations don't explain why this contract needed to be awarded in this manner, and that the Federal Acquisition Regulations exist for the purposes of preventing fraud (and also for providing an open accounting for how taxpayers' money is spent), sunlight being the best antiseptic.


WHAT MANNER? Typing in 4 simple words (terms/whatever) into Google will provide you with this link that says no-bid contracts exist in the Federal Government and are quite normal.

https://www.fedcontractpros.com/no-bid-federal-government-contracts-an-overview-and-analysis

Now, since you state here that you "have not claimed" there was any corruption, you would be making a fool out of yourself by continuing to press this issue.

YOU are the one with the knee-jerk reaction, not everyone else. It would be one thing if you knew what the hell you were talking about, but you don't.
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9:51a, 5/10/26
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Really easy to tell on this thread who the people are that have actual knowledge and experience with government contracting and FAR and those who just read about it in their weekly talking points memo.
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9:51a, 5/10/26
When some gets owned this severely, you'd think they would contemplate their life choices and positions and learn something from it.

Nah! Who am I kidding. Sadly, the age of reason has been replaced by the age of outrage.
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In reply to txags92 • 9:53a, 5/10/26
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txags92 said:
Really easy to tell on this thread who the people are that have actual knowledge and experience with government contracting and FAR and those who just read about it in their weekly talking points memo.

Dumb question here but wouldn't the government shut down hinder the FAR process at a critical time?
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10:08a, 5/10/26
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Yall remember when Obama spent $1-2 BILLION dollars on the healthcare.gov website? I remember. As does Pepperidge Farm.
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In reply to zephyr88 • 10:08a, 5/10/26
zephyr88 said:
BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!

What are you talking about? Or is this metaphoric?

You know who else didn't get the point of my statements?

That's right....Hitler.

Way to be like him, sir!!!!
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In reply to Burrus86 • 10:13a, 5/10/26
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This sounds like a job big enough to join forces of Sumlin's pool boy and the Fish Pond Maintainer.
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10:15a, 5/10/26
Does it cost more than the money Barry sent to Iraq in the dark of night? Didn't think so and don't care.
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10:40a, 5/10/26
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Straight up murder in this thread. Damn.
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10:41a, 5/10/26
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Department of the Interior is one of the oldest departments outside of the OGs. 1849. In fact, the founding fathers actually thought about creating it in the outset. James Madison, a FF, and the fourth President, was an advocate of the department as he also was at the helm as the U.S. grew exponentially from what it was in the founding era and the federal government was managing far greater amounts of land. Instead, what eventually would become a department 50 years after the founding era was divided into offices that existed within three of the OGs, especially State.

We have a National Mall that was built out as a place of remembrance and reflection upon the history of this great country. And while we can all complain about where we are now in our politics, etc. It is a good a right thing to have a place of remembrance and celebration. A practice that goes back to the ancient of days.

We have a department charged with this. We have a president in charge of this department during our 250 Anniversary. We have a place of remembrance and celebration for our country. That place should look the best is can possibly look during a milestone year.

That this is a source of outrage or conspiracy is truly a sad thing for our Republic.

Nevertheless, I'm going to be leading myself and my family through thankfulness and celebration that we have been blessed to live in the greatest nation ever founded by a group of men that drafted the greatest document ever created for a nation.

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In reply to BQ78 • 10:44a, 5/10/26
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BQ78 said:
So the government letting a problem fester for years makes it an emergency now? Not sure how the 250th anniversary makes it an emergency.

They at least bent the rules and I'll bet that J&A is interesting reading.


Read it yourself. Tell me if you find anything interesting in the J&A. Here's the link.

https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/203712c0e9e34f8397271942bcb29960/view

Look for the link to download the PDF:
A16_JOFOC_Nano_Bubble_1.pdf
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10:46a, 5/10/26
I'm just glad that Trump listened to the advice of his contractor and didn't opt for a turquoise water color. It wouldn't have fit the aesthetic.
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In reply to zephyr88 • 10:49a, 5/10/26
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zephyr88 said:
BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!

What are you talking about? Or is this metaphoric?

I may have to create another bot, BigRobAH.

If folks missed the sarcasm in his post it's time to take the sarcasm meter in for some tune up.

Now who is Hitler is NASA at JSC. They had a large pond that was drained and power washed with soap to remove years of duck doodoo. Worked like a charm, water clean ducks returned then… disappeared. Returned a few days later water logged and webbed feet pointing to Jesus. Turns out residual soap and duck feathers are a problem they did Nazi coming.
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 10:51a, 5/10/26
You seem very concerned about saving the taxpayers a little money when it comes to one specific government contract, pagerman. If Trump opens this up for bids we might save at most a few hundred thousand dollars…maybe a million? And how many months or years would that bid have taken for the government to decide?

No-bid contract are a thing. They are not against the law.

However, I am interested in your perspective and thoughts on this boondoggle (USAID):
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3525786/58#discussion

I do not recall seeing you chime in voicing your concerns on USAID fraud and waste and cronyism.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:57a, 5/10/26
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aggiehawg said:
txags92 said:
Really easy to tell on this thread who the people are that have actual knowledge and experience with government contracting and FAR and those who just read about it in their weekly talking points memo.

Dumb question here but wouldn't the government shut down hinder the FAR process at a critical time?

Yes. If the group doing the contracting was part of the shutdown, they would be unable to do any work at all.

Ulysses laid it out pretty well, but the average American has no clue about how long, drawn out, and inefficient the typical government contracting process is. Going from the idea of "we need to do something about the reflecting pool before the 250th birthday celebration" to awarding a contract would typically be a minimum 9-12 month process even without the shutdown in the middle. Using sole source awards for simple and smaller (yes <$10 mil is a smaller govt award) is a very common thing and it saves the government money in the long run for the most part.
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11:00a, 5/10/26
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Wasn't there a contract from the previous admin that was stupidly overpriced that Trump cancelled and gave the contract that everyone is up in arms over? I can't find the article I read it in with this No Bid contract leading the headlines.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 11:01a, 5/10/26
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Such an obtuse response.

If you have to explain your point to make a point (which you didn't)… did you really make a point to start with?
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 11:04a, 5/10/26
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pagerman @ work said:
Ag with kids said:
pagerman @ work said:
Ag with kids said:
pagerman @ work said:
Mucho austin said:
Who cares

Is the job getting done? Is it getting done under budget? Previous contracts couldn't do anything.

He knew they could do it, and it's getting done

Corruption, the prevention of which is the reason Federal Acquisition Regulations (i.e. the law) exist.

You're describing all the previous administrations that spent money on cleaning it up but never got it clean, right?

Right?

What previous administrations did or didn't do has zero bearing on this situation. At all.

Now I realize that on this board the number one, automatic, knee jerk defense of team A is to ignore the accusations against team A and point out some potential previous failing of team B, because if team B did something wrong well that completely absolves team A of any and all wrongdoing, both now and in perpetuity.

Except it doesn't. Previous malfeasance by any and all administrations has no bearing on what this administration may have done.

If previous administrations have been corrupt, start a new thread and present the evidence. But nothing presented in that thread will be exculpatory of what the current administration may have done.

It's really not difficult to.

Ok cool.

Describe EXACTLY what corruption happened and on which contracts.

Should be easy for you to give us details, since you're pretty adamant about the "corruption".

I await your detailed response.

I have not claimed there was any corruption. I await you quoting where I have done so.

I have pointed out that prior bad acts by previous administrations don't explain why this contract needed to be awarded in this manner, and that the Federal Acquisition Regulations exist for the purposes of preventing fraud (and also for providing an open accounting for how taxpayers' money is spent), sunlight being the best antiseptic.

You're doing the typical guilt by implication move here.

We don't know, therefore we should assume something bad.

BTW, you did bring THIS up regarding corruption:
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Corruption, the prevention of which is the reason Federal Acquisition Regulations (i.e. the law) exist.

There's your implication of what bad thing happened...
You can turn off signatures, btw
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 11:04a, 5/10/26
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flown-the-coop said:
zephyr88 said:
BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!

What are you talking about? Or is this metaphoric?

I may have to create another bot, BigRobAH.

If folks missed the sarcasm in his post it's time to take the sarcasm meter in for some tune up.

Now who is Hitler is NASA at JSC. They had a large pond that was drained and power washed with soap to remove years of duck doodoo. Worked like a charm, water clean ducks returned then… disappeared. Returned a few days later water logged and webbed feet pointing to Jesus. Turns out residual soap and duck feathers are a problem they did Nazi coming.

Behold the power of surfactants!
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In reply to txags92 • 11:04a, 5/10/26
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txags92 said:
aggiehawg said:
txags92 said:
Really easy to tell on this thread who the people are that have actual knowledge and experience with government contracting and FAR and those who just read about it in their weekly talking points memo.

Dumb question here but wouldn't the government shut down hinder the FAR process at a critical time?

Yes. If the group doing the contracting was part of the shutdown, they would be unable to do any work at all.

Ulysses laid it out pretty well, but the average American has no clue about how long, drawn out, and inefficient the typical government contracting process is. Going from the idea of "we need to do something about the reflecting pool before the 250th birthday celebration" to awarding a contract would typically be a minimum 9-12 month process even without the shutdown in the middle. Using sole source awards for simple and smaller (yes <$10 mil is a smaller govt award) is a very common thing and it saves the government money in the long run for the most part.

Shutdowns depend on what is shutdown and would not be impacted by the latest one, little if any by the prior one.

Our contracts run through HUD CDBG programs and over nearly 20 years now no shutdown has had even the slightest impact other than being sent an email confirming such.
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In reply to agent-maroon • 11:05a, 5/10/26
agent-maroon said:
flown-the-coop said:
zephyr88 said:
BigRobSA said:
You know who else cleaned up a pool?

That's right...Hitler.

Interesting company Trump keeps. Int.....air....uh....sontay!!!

What are you talking about? Or is this metaphoric?

I may have to create another bot, BigRobAH.

If folks missed the sarcasm in his post it's time to take the sarcasm meter in for some tune up.

Now who is Hitler is NASA at JSC. They had a large pond that was drained and power washed with soap to remove years of duck doodoo. Worked like a charm, water clean ducks returned then… disappeared. Returned a few days later water logged and webbed feet pointing to Jesus. Turns out residual soap and duck feathers are a problem they did Nazi coming.

Behold the power of surfactants!


Should have used DAWN liquid.
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In reply to agent-maroon • 11:06a, 5/10/26
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Evidently space rocketry science and duck flotation science v surfactants have very little overlap.

This was back in the 1970s so the landscaping braintrust of Northern Mexico had not arrived in the clear lake area.
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 11:15a, 5/10/26
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pagerman @ work said:
Previous failures by other administrations still doesn't explain why the contract needed to be directly awarded to that vendor without competition.
I will call out the jack ass stuff that Trump does from time to time.

But you should seek help if this butt hurts you this badly.
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