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I'm not really following the reflecting pool saga, but this was worth a light chuckle:
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Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?
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HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Yea, that's a no for me. Latin bullcorn aside, this is not a court of law.

And the other fallacy, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The pool is a half mile long. That's over a mile of perimeter to be monitored 24/7.

If they put up 1000 ring cameras, the Hate America Party would decry invasion of muh privacy to commit violence and vandalism and destroy the cameras or have a lib judge rule them unconstitutional.




Definitely can make out things at the far end when it's hazy or at night.

Are you being serious with that? Cause it sort of proves my point.

The point that you missed is that there's at lease one camera covering the Reflecting Pool. And you think the National Park Service doesn't have cameras covering every square inch of the Reflecting Pool 24/7, I don't know what to tell you.


Burden of proof blah blah blah, you provide one picture from hundreds of yards away in broad daylight without a fully filled pool. Goodluck making a single person out at night with full pool

This is getting tiresome.

What happens, upon completion, when the pool looks wonderful and is a terrific project done well below previous forecasts and attempts to repair?
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Better read the "article" I posted.

Said Obama had it fixed, Trumps dumbass broke it, and it will never be the same unless we out a Dem back in charge.

This is the religion of the Hate American Party and substack / Reddit be their Bible.
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This would even describe some of the posters here.

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flown-the-coop said:

chris1515 said:

Are we supposed to believe that someone walked into the reflecting pool, and sliced a 300 foot gash into the liner and there was no security on hand to stop them in the act, and no surveillance footage to identify them after the fact?



For those who have never had the joys of a vinyl lined pool or pond, it only takes a small cut or tear to create a much bigger problem.

Somebody doesn't have to sit there for 3-days with toenail clippers to execute a xxx feet tear.

This is a little more complex than a vinyl lined pool. At least you claim it's more complex than that.
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flown-the-coop said:

Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?

I'm not the one claiming the pool was vandalized. That would be you. You're welcome to provide proof that it was as well, besides the President saying "Trust me, bro." It's a lot easier than proving a negative.
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HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?

I'm not the one claiming the pool was vandalized. That would be you. You're welcome to provide proof that it was as well, besides the President saying "Trust me, bro." It's a lot easier than proving a negative.


Let's assume that no vandalism has occurred, which it has since there's been a need for national guard and arrests, but saying there's none... so what? That issue is on either the contractor or on the rushed schedule that might have compromised the recommended install guidelines. Fact of the matter is that it has been done. There's an algae bloom, as predicted, and the leaking has been managed to restore the reflecting pool as needed. Y'all are acting as if this is a complete failure but clearly don't understand how projects of any nature progress to completion, especially government contracts.
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TAMUallen said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?

I'm not the one claiming the pool was vandalized. That would be you. You're welcome to provide proof that it was as well, besides the President saying "Trust me, bro." It's a lot easier than proving a negative.


Let's assume that no vandalism has occurred, which it has since there's been a need for national guard and arrests, but saying there's none... so what? That issue is on either the contractor or on the rushed schedule that might have compromised the recommended install guidelines. Fact of the matter is that it has been done. There's an algae bloom, as predicted, and the leaking has been managed to restore the reflecting pool as needed. Y'all are acting as if this is a complete failure but clearly don't understand how projects of any nature progress to completion, especially government contracts.

That is the exact point I've been trying to make. But some want to act like it was some kind of grand conspiracy that someone cut the liner and caused it to fail. The only evidence we've seen of vandalism has been after the liner appeared to be separating. No evidence has been shown of someone cutting or sabotaging the pool. So I ask you: which is more likely?
Mistakes happen, everyone knows this, especially on something that needs to be done quickly. What's the saying? Cheap, fast, and good; pick any two. I'm more to something went wrong in the installation process. The mistake might be a costly one, because now it looks like the pool will need to be drained again (at least partially) for repairs to be made.
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Saying it could have "potentially" been an install issue then lambasting in post after post that it "IS" an install issue and wishcasting that its going to be expensive and extensive to fix and then dismissing any talk of sabotage outright is not exactly an objective take.

Thats all ive been pointing out.
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You make too many assumptions as to the cause of the failure.

It is a narrative hill you seem willing to die on. Not sure why.

One would need to see 24 hours video surveillance to discount sabotage vandalism.

We do not their is separation.
We do not people have been arrested for vandalism.
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HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Yea, that's a no for me. Latin bullcorn aside, this is not a court of law.

And the other fallacy, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The pool is a half mile long. That's over a mile of perimeter to be monitored 24/7.

If they put up 1000 ring cameras, the Hate America Party would decry invasion of muh privacy to commit violence and vandalism and destroy the cameras or have a lib judge rule them unconstitutional.




Definitely can make out things at the far end when it's hazy or at night.

Are you being serious with that? Cause it sort of proves my point.

The point that you missed is that there's at lease one camera covering the Reflecting Pool. And you think the National Park Service doesn't have cameras covering every square inch of the Reflecting Pool 24/7, I don't know what to tell you.

You would think, do you have any proof of the number and image quality of cameras?
I did an internet search and only came up with one camera filming from a distance. Thanks in advance.
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StandUpforAmerica said:

This would even describe some of the posters here.




Funny how he doesn't mention the quagmire in Iran.

As far as point 2 in the tweet -

Quote:

On Dec 19, 2017, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that they would resume funding gain-of-function experiments involving influenza, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus. A moratorium had been in place since October, 2014.


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7128689/
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richardag said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Yea, that's a no for me. Latin bullcorn aside, this is not a court of law.

And the other fallacy, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The pool is a half mile long. That's over a mile of perimeter to be monitored 24/7.

If they put up 1000 ring cameras, the Hate America Party would decry invasion of muh privacy to commit violence and vandalism and destroy the cameras or have a lib judge rule them unconstitutional.




Definitely can make out things at the far end when it's hazy or at night.

Are you being serious with that? Cause it sort of proves my point.

The point that you missed is that there's at lease one camera covering the Reflecting Pool. And you think the National Park Service doesn't have cameras covering every square inch of the Reflecting Pool 24/7, I don't know what to tell you.

You would think, do you have any proof of the number and image quality of cameras?
I did an internet search and only came up with one camera filming from a distance. Thanks in advance.


I'm positive every security camera in the complex is available for worldwide streaming 24/7.
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torrid said:

richardag said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Yea, that's a no for me. Latin bullcorn aside, this is not a court of law.

And the other fallacy, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The pool is a half mile long. That's over a mile of perimeter to be monitored 24/7.

If they put up 1000 ring cameras, the Hate America Party would decry invasion of muh privacy to commit violence and vandalism and destroy the cameras or have a lib judge rule them unconstitutional.




Definitely can make out things at the far end when it's hazy or at night.

Are you being serious with that? Cause it sort of proves my point.

The point that you missed is that there's at lease one camera covering the Reflecting Pool. And you think the National Park Service doesn't have cameras covering every square inch of the Reflecting Pool 24/7, I don't know what to tell you.

You would think, do you have any proof of the number and image quality of cameras?
I did an internet search and only came up with one camera filming from a distance. Thanks in advance.


I'm positive every security camera in the complex is available for worldwide streaming 24/7.

Its in the same cabinet as the Jan 6 footage and footage from Paul Pelosi's lover breaking in for a rough sex fetish.
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jt2hunt said:

You make too many assumptions as to the cause of the failure.

It is a narrative hill you seem willing to die on. Not sure why.

One would need to see 24 hours video surveillance to discount sabotage vandalism.

We do not their is separation.
We do not people have been arrested for vandalism.

Because it's one of the things that makes sense? The reports of vandalism started coming out after pictures surfaced of the liner peeling away, and those reports were of people trying to pick the pieces sticking out of or floating in the water.
I'm no engineer, but it seems like that kind of coating would not be something that would peel away easily if someone cut it and started picking at it. Seems more likely it didn't bond to the primer correctly, or the primer didn't bond to the concrete correctly.
I'm not assuming that to lambast a contractor. Mistakes happen, it's not the end of the world.
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richardag said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Yea, that's a no for me. Latin bullcorn aside, this is not a court of law.

And the other fallacy, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The pool is a half mile long. That's over a mile of perimeter to be monitored 24/7.

If they put up 1000 ring cameras, the Hate America Party would decry invasion of muh privacy to commit violence and vandalism and destroy the cameras or have a lib judge rule them unconstitutional.




Definitely can make out things at the far end when it's hazy or at night.

Are you being serious with that? Cause it sort of proves my point.

The point that you missed is that there's at lease one camera covering the Reflecting Pool. And you think the National Park Service doesn't have cameras covering every square inch of the Reflecting Pool 24/7, I don't know what to tell you.

You would think, do you have any proof of the number and image quality of cameras?
I did an internet search and only came up with one camera filming from a distance. Thanks in advance.

The Reflecting Pool is one of the most popular public places on the DC Mall, but somehow, NPS doesn't have 24/7 coverage over the pool. Let's use a little common sense here.
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flown-the-coop said:

Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?

YOU are the one all in on the vandals, we are all waiting on the proof of the person cutting the now 300 foot gash and the trucks dumping enough chemicals to damage a multi million gallon pool.
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Could be not-the-bee by July 4th.
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HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?

I'm not the one claiming the pool was vandalized. That would be you. You're welcome to provide proof that it was as well, besides the President saying "Trust me, bro." It's a lot easier than proving a negative.


Let's assume that no vandalism has occurred, which it has since there's been a need for national guard and arrests, but saying there's none... so what? That issue is on either the contractor or on the rushed schedule that might have compromised the recommended install guidelines. Fact of the matter is that it has been done. There's an algae bloom, as predicted, and the leaking has been managed to restore the reflecting pool as needed. Y'all are acting as if this is a complete failure but clearly don't understand how projects of any nature progress to completion, especially government contracts.

That is the exact point I've been trying to make. But some want to act like it was some kind of grand conspiracy that someone cut the liner and caused it to fail. The only evidence we've seen of vandalism has been after the liner appeared to be separating. No evidence has been shown of someone cutting or sabotaging the pool. So I ask you: which is more likely?
Mistakes happen, everyone knows this, especially on something that needs to be done quickly. What's the saying? Cheap, fast, and good; pick any two. I'm more to something went wrong in the installation process. The mistake might be a costly one, because now it looks like the pool will need to be drained again (at least partially) for repairs to be made.

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I don't get all the butthurt feelings on this thread. We tried something new, it didn't work out as intended. Evaluate the reasons and come up with a solution to the problem. I have my own ideas as to why the algal and peeling problems may have occurred, but let the experts work on it for a few days and propose a remedy to the issue.
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txags92 said:

HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?

I'm not the one claiming the pool was vandalized. That would be you. You're welcome to provide proof that it was as well, besides the President saying "Trust me, bro." It's a lot easier than proving a negative.


Let's assume that no vandalism has occurred, which it has since there's been a need for national guard and arrests, but saying there's none... so what? That issue is on either the contractor or on the rushed schedule that might have compromised the recommended install guidelines. Fact of the matter is that it has been done. There's an algae bloom, as predicted, and the leaking has been managed to restore the reflecting pool as needed. Y'all are acting as if this is a complete failure but clearly don't understand how projects of any nature progress to completion, especially government contracts.

That is the exact point I've been trying to make. But some want to act like it was some kind of grand conspiracy that someone cut the liner and caused it to fail. The only evidence we've seen of vandalism has been after the liner appeared to be separating. No evidence has been shown of someone cutting or sabotaging the pool. So I ask you: which is more likely?
Mistakes happen, everyone knows this, especially on something that needs to be done quickly. What's the saying? Cheap, fast, and good; pick any two. I'm more to something went wrong in the installation process. The mistake might be a costly one, because now it looks like the pool will need to be drained again (at least partially) for repairs to be made.



Oh come on, this didn't actually happen. Trump made it up.
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revvie said:

I don't get all the butthurt feelings on this thread. We tried something new, it didn't work out as intended. Evaluate the reasons and come up with a solution to the problem. I have my own ideas as to why the algal and peeling problems may have occurred, but let the experts work on it for a few days and propose a remedy to the issue.

Because the left has decided this is the issue to focus on and spike the ball, thinking that somehow this is some kind of massive victory over Trump. Numerous high profile Democrats have been making this into the only issue in the world for the past few weeks. Anything to cover up all of their maleficence such as all of the fraud their side perpetrates and then covers up.

In a sane world, people would be glad Trump is working to clean it up, and the issues with it would at best be a footnote in the daily news.
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Like Pelosi on Jan 6, she had her own film crew across the pond recording her service to the country.

Hate America Party is flowing strong on this topic and project.

Hope this lady gets the insurrection book thrown at her and is bankrupted by lawyers. Maybe lose her job though likely she is out of work or just a paid protestor / professional antagonist.

Good to see Trump vindicated yet again.
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Best part starts after 11:25 in video

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Rapier108 said:

revvie said:

I don't get all the butthurt feelings on this thread. We tried something new, it didn't work out as intended. Evaluate the reasons and come up with a solution to the problem. I have my own ideas as to why the algal and peeling problems may have occurred, but let the experts work on it for a few days and propose a remedy to the issue.

Because the left has decided this is the issue to focus on and spike the ball, thinking that somehow this is some kind of massive victory over Trump. Numerous high profile Democrats have been making this into the only issue in the world for the past few weeks. Anything to cover up all of their maleficence such as all of the fraud their side perpetrates and then covers up.

In a sane world, people would be glad Trump is working to clean it up, and the issues with it would at best be a footnote in the daily news.

What's funny is when I first posted this was just about procurement and the left painting that process, puns intended, as somehow improper.

Hate America Party wants failure for the Country on all fronts, but particularly anything Trump touches.

The party that destroyed cities, vandalized monuments, defaced countless properties, killed people, wants you to be upset about an expected algae bloom and some rework on the liner.
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Still patiently waiting on the video of the person cutting the 300 foot gash and the trucks dumping chemicals. Surely you are about to post it?
Dear leader said it happened, surely there is evidence, right?
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EFR said:

Still patiently waiting on the video of the person cutting the 300 foot gash and the trucks dumping chemicals. Surely you are about to post it?
Dear leader said it happened, surely there is evidence, right?

Trolling noted.

To be honest, I don't care if there is video or not. There was a video of a guy assaulting a federal agent and the judge dismissed the case. You link Bozoberg is going to allow a vandalism case to go forward? Shirley you cannot be serious.
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Is it that hard to say that there is no evidence to back up the truth social posts from trump? It is ok to admit that.
Edit: calling the cult leader a cult leader is trolling now, noted.
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EFR said:

Is it that hard to say that there is no evidence to back up the truth social posts from trump? It is ok to admit that.
Edit: calling the cult leader a cult leader is trolling now, noted.
Sorry, you win.

It's a disaster, start to finish. No way it's possible anyone has been working to sabotage the project, just lawsuits and arrests.

Nothing to see here folks. Hate America Party is just wanting there to be transparency and accountability for Trump's boondoggle.

It's okay to admit that you got nothing so have to stoop to "Cult Leader" trolling. You should work on hating America more.
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Equinox said:

txags92 said:

HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Great. Should be easy to prove either way. Look forward to the videos when you find them.

Found the source most seem to be using. This guys AI based legal take has no bias whatsoever. None. Hell, he must be a journalist and now on his way to a Pulitzer!

https://open.substack.com/pub/mitchthelawyer/p/the-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool?

I'm not the one claiming the pool was vandalized. That would be you. You're welcome to provide proof that it was as well, besides the President saying "Trust me, bro." It's a lot easier than proving a negative.


Let's assume that no vandalism has occurred, which it has since there's been a need for national guard and arrests, but saying there's none... so what? That issue is on either the contractor or on the rushed schedule that might have compromised the recommended install guidelines. Fact of the matter is that it has been done. There's an algae bloom, as predicted, and the leaking has been managed to restore the reflecting pool as needed. Y'all are acting as if this is a complete failure but clearly don't understand how projects of any nature progress to completion, especially government contracts.

That is the exact point I've been trying to make. But some want to act like it was some kind of grand conspiracy that someone cut the liner and caused it to fail. The only evidence we've seen of vandalism has been after the liner appeared to be separating. No evidence has been shown of someone cutting or sabotaging the pool. So I ask you: which is more likely?
Mistakes happen, everyone knows this, especially on something that needs to be done quickly. What's the saying? Cheap, fast, and good; pick any two. I'm more to something went wrong in the installation process. The mistake might be a costly one, because now it looks like the pool will need to be drained again (at least partially) for repairs to be made.



Oh come on, this didn't actually happen. Trump made it up.

Great non sequitur. People have been arrested/detained for peeling the sealant that was already peeling away. Plenty of documentation of that.
We're still waiting on evidence that someone cut a 250-300 foot slit in the liner besides "I said so."
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You do understand peeling up the liner is damaging it and is no different than cutting it?

If you see a loose stone on the Trump-Washington Monument, I guess it's cool to just start pulling stones out until it topples then claim you were just an olympic canoeist minding your own business.

Nice try though.
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flown-the-coop said:

You do understand peeling up the liner is damaging it and is no different than cutting it?

If you see a loose stone on the Trump-Washington Monument, I guess it's cool to just start pulling stones out until it topples then claim you were just an olympic canoeist minding your own business.

Nice try though.

Of course I understand that. It's a crime to do that, and people can be arrested and charged for that. The Feds are welcome to charge them for pulling on an already damaged liner. My guess is that it will go about as well as the guy that was arrested for throwing a sandwich at an ICE agent. But maybe they'll get convictions this time.
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HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

You do understand peeling up the liner is damaging it and is no different than cutting it?

If you see a loose stone on the Trump-Washington Monument, I guess it's cool to just start pulling stones out until it topples then claim you were just an olympic canoeist minding your own business.

Nice try though.

Of course I understand that. It's a crime to do that, and people can be arrested and charged for that. The Feds are welcome to charge them for pulling on an already damaged liner. My guess is that it will go about as well as the guy that was arrested for throwing a sandwich at an ICE agent. But maybe they'll get convictions this time.

Probably not. We know judges have a bad case of Orange Man Bad just like those who think it's okay to vandalize federal property and that Trump funnels pool remodels to his cronies.

I do think it's funny you have the same talking points today as Jessica Tarlov. The company you keep and such…
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Change venue to Llano county, Texas, we will give a conviction. The gallows is still in the east side of courthouse.
 
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