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Farmer1906
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In reply to iBrad • 2:26p, 11/20/17
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iBrad said:
This is why it's key to maintain a quality farm system and not ship off your top prospects every trade deadline. In today's game, you just aren't going to keep all of your stars. You have to be able to reload, which means you have to keep enough talent in the system to hit on the ones that pan out.

True. The way it plays out, we don't have 2 superstars in any given year.

2019 - Kuechel & Marwin
2020 - Altuve & Verlander
2021 - Springer, Giles, & Gurriel
2022 - Correa
2023 - Bregman & McCullers

And let's not forget we have the option to go out and get a name FA or make a deal at any time to help replace any star that leaves.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:31p, 11/20/17
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So you're saying we don't retain anyone?

I think that's highly unlikely. I guess I'm just confused by this post.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:42p, 11/20/17
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Ag_07 said:
So you're saying we don't retain anyone?

I think that's highly unlikely. I guess I'm just confused by this post.
Not at all.

I just agreed we need to keep the farm system strong because we can't keep everyone.

Then posted when each will be available. It's nice that we don't have to sign or lose Correa and Altuve or Springer & Bregman in the same year. That would make a tough situation tougher.

My other point was even if we lose a guy like Springer we can always go sign a quality OFer. It's not like its Springer or bust.
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5:14p, 11/20/17
What a freaking bust
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5:44p, 11/20/17
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Astros have acquired RHP Brandon Bailey from the As for OF Ramon Laureno. Team also added LHP Cionel Perez and RHP Dean Deets to 40 man
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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:59p, 11/20/17
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Not sure I know anything about bailey
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In reply to MosesHallRAB04 • 6:22p, 11/20/17
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MosesHallRAB04 said:
Not sure I know anything about bailey
You shouldn't. He's in high A ball.
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8:55p, 11/20/17
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Would Laureano have been rule 5 eligible?
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In reply to JJxvi • 10:53p, 11/20/17
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Yes
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In reply to NotGibbs • 8:51a, 11/21/17
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What a freaking bust
Unbelievable. Dude was a top ten pick TWICE.
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9:01a, 11/21/17
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That sucks for Appel that he never even got a chance to play in an MLB park. On the other hand, he has 7 figures in the bank and a Stanford degree to fall back on so it could be worse.

How about the last minute swap of Fisher for Appel in that Giles trade?
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10:36a, 11/21/17
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Guys like Appel are real head scratchers. Everything pointed to that guy being the type that excels in pro ball and gets to the big leagues quicker than most. The dude was drafted in the 15th round out of high school and then in the first round twice while at Standford. Usually it's an injury that derails a guy like him. A complete miss by just about everyone in baseball.
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10:47a, 11/21/17
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I think Appel not getting a deal done with PIT in 2012. He already had a lot of miles on his arm and returning to Stanford just compounded that issue. Even though he wasn't injured I think he just pitched too much.

IIRC his senior year wasn't all that impressive either when compared to what he had done in the previous years.

Who knows. But I'm still convinced that every team in baseball would've taken Appel #1 at that time.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 10:55a, 11/21/17
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His SR year was his best year for ERA, WHIP, H9, HR9, BB9, SO9, K/BB, & Shutouts.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:58a, 11/21/17
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Then I don't know WTF I was thinking about. For some reason I thought it was opposite of that.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 10:58a, 11/21/17
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His senior year was actually his best season, which helped justify his selection. The guy went back to school and improved upon his good junior season.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=Mark-Appel

If anything, I think Appel makes you rethink your evaluation of strikeout pitchers in college.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:11a, 11/21/17
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Ag_07 said:
Then I don't know WTF I was thinking about. For some reason I thought it was opposite of that.
I didn't remember so I looked it up. No big deal.
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11:17a, 11/21/17
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I read a couple of scouting reports that his delivery is so clean that hitters see the ball really well out of his hand. I think confidence probably became an issue too.

I watched him pitch a few times in the minors, there is no question he has big league stuff.
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11:50a, 11/21/17
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the Stanford curse --- it's real...not fiction.

and going back for his senior year contributed to having too much mileage on his tires so to speak
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In reply to W • 12:06p, 11/21/17
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W said:
the Stanford curse --- it's real...not fiction.

and going back for his senior year contributed to having too much mileage on his tires so to speak


Hinch laughs at your Stanford curse
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In reply to W • 12:07p, 11/21/17
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W said:
the Stanford curse --- it's real...not fiction.

and going back for his senior year contributed to having too much mileage on his tires so to speak
Is there an A&M curse? Just for a quick reference, I pulled up Wacha's college stats. Very similar usage to Appel. While he didn't return for his senior season, he did throw 140+ innings in his first season of pro ball.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=michael-wacha

I think Appel was just a case of a guy that overpowered hitters in college and couldn't refine his pitching skills at the pro level. Great stuff without the ability to locate. Works at the amateur level, but not in professional ball.
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In reply to astros4545 • 12:47p, 11/21/17
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the back of Hinch's baseball card does not
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12:48p, 11/21/17
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and how quickly we forget Jason Castro...1st round pick Stanford guy
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1:18p, 11/21/17
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Serious Post Here: Jed Lowrie & Stephen Piscotty. The curse can be overcome.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:32p, 11/21/17
Farmer1906 said:
Serious Post Here: Jed Lowrie & Stephen Piscotty. The curse can be overcome.


Jed lowrie is the definition of average baseball player. Does that count as breaking the curse?
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In reply to iBrad • 2:11p, 11/21/17
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W said:
the Stanford curse --- it's real...not fiction.

and going back for his senior year contributed to having too much mileage on his tires so to speak
Is there an A&M curse? Just for a quick reference, I pulled up Wacha's college stats. Very similar usage to Appel. While he didn't return for his senior season, he did throw 140+ innings in his first season of pro ball.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=michael-wacha

I think Appel was just a case of a guy that overpowered hitters in college and couldn't refine his pitching skills at the pro level. Great stuff without the ability to locate. Works at the amateur level, but not in professional ball.


Wacha has had some issues, but are you seriously comparing him to Appel?

Wacha has started over 100 games in pro ball, been an all star, won NLCS MVP, and was 1 our away from a no hitter.

You're comparing him to a guy who never had a season in minor league ball with an ERA under 4
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In reply to NotGibbs • 2:25p, 11/21/17
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iBrad said:
W said:
the Stanford curse --- it's real...not fiction.

and going back for his senior year contributed to having too much mileage on his tires so to speak
Is there an A&M curse? Just for a quick reference, I pulled up Wacha's college stats. Very similar usage to Appel. While he didn't return for his senior season, he did throw 140+ innings in his first season of pro ball.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=michael-wacha

I think Appel was just a case of a guy that overpowered hitters in college and couldn't refine his pitching skills at the pro level. Great stuff without the ability to locate. Works at the amateur level, but not in professional ball.


Wacha has had some issues, but are you seriously comparing him to Appel?

Wacha has started over 100 games in pro ball, been an all star, won NLCS MVP, and was 1 our away from a no hitter.

You're comparing him to a guy who never had a season in minor league ball with an ERA under 4


I think he was comparing them in terms of whether the amount of use they had in college impacted how much gas they had in the tank by the time they made it to the pros.
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 3:09p, 11/21/17
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titanmaster_race said:
Farmer1906 said:
Serious Post Here: Jed Lowrie & Stephen Piscotty. The curse can be overcome.


Jed lowrie is the definition of average baseball player. Does that count as breaking the curse?
He's a 10 year vet with a career 100 wRC+
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In reply to 03_Aggie • 11:41p, 11/21/17
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03_Aggie said:
NotGibbs said:
iBrad said:
W said:
the Stanford curse --- it's real...not fiction.

and going back for his senior year contributed to having too much mileage on his tires so to speak
Is there an A&M curse? Just for a quick reference, I pulled up Wacha's college stats. Very similar usage to Appel. While he didn't return for his senior season, he did throw 140+ innings in his first season of pro ball.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=michael-wacha

I think Appel was just a case of a guy that overpowered hitters in college and couldn't refine his pitching skills at the pro level. Great stuff without the ability to locate. Works at the amateur level, but not in professional ball.


Wacha has had some issues, but are you seriously comparing him to Appel?

Wacha has started over 100 games in pro ball, been an all star, won NLCS MVP, and was 1 our away from a no hitter.

You're comparing him to a guy who never had a season in minor league ball with an ERA under 4


I think he was comparing them in terms of whether the amount of use they had in college impacted how much gas they had in the tank by the time they made it to the pros.

Correct
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9:31a, 11/22/17
Are any of the 12 Braves prospects just declared free agents of any interest?
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In reply to Agnzona • 10:17a, 11/22/17
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Are any of the 12 Braves prospects just declared free agents of any interest?
Any signing bonus over $100,000 counts towards the 2017 bonus pool. I'm not sure how much the Astros have left to spend.
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10:19a, 11/22/17
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$0 I think
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:49p, 11/22/17
Farmer1906 said:
titanmaster_race said:
Farmer1906 said:
Serious Post Here: Jed Lowrie & Stephen Piscotty. The curse can be overcome.


Jed lowrie is the definition of average baseball player. Does that count as breaking the curse?
He's a 10 year vet with a career 100 wRC+


That is literally average.
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 1:41p, 11/22/17
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True, but average for a respectably long time.
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In reply to DVC2010 • 4:13p, 11/22/17
True. I was pointing out Jed to ask what we consider to be breaking the curse: not being bad, or being good?
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