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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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Some people see the woke boogeyman everywhere they look. Just like others see racism at every turn.

Two sides of the same coin.

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I'm over the politics both ways so that irrelevant.

The reality is it was a horrible casting job and that matters. At least it used to before everything was blamed on politics.

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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The lead actress vocally supports murdering rapists and told everyone that doesn't agree with her to avoid the movie.

So he's avoiding it.

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That's fine, no one has claimed she hasn't made those comments and if someone chooses to avoid the movie because of that, go for it.

We are talking about, however, about the assessment of the movie, not the discussion around it. And dude literally hasn't seen it.

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fig96 said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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The lead actress vocally supports murdering rapists and told everyone that doesn't agree with her to avoid the movie.

So he's avoiding it.

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That's fine, no one has claimed she hasn't made those comments and if someone chooses to avoid the movie because of that, go for it.

We are talking about, however, about the assessment of the movie, not the discussion around it. And dude literally hasn't seen it.

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Brah...READ THE THREAD TITLE. Then come back to me and tell me this thread was intended to only foster discussion of the movie itself. You can start your own thread about the actual movie if you feel so inclined. This thread was NEVER going to be about that lol.

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That's fine…the thing I am literally replying to was discussing the content of the movie and comments regarding that.

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Disney knew this thing wouldn't have legs. That's why it got dumped in March, and didn't clog their roll out of Thunderbolts, Lilo & Stich, Fantastic 4, Zootopia 2, and Avatar 3 coming up soon.

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Porkchop, for as much words as you've blathered about box office, I'd expect you to know better.

Beauty and the Beast, Alice in Wonderland, and Cinderella live actions were all released in March, and certainly weren't dumps. It's the Disney playbook to put these things on Spring Break.

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Why did you call him Porkchop?

Porkchop quit TexAgs. Never to return.

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Can you provide some examples from the movie that make it "woke" in your opinion?

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Could it be that there's a very slim chance that you're never wrong, a similarly slim chance that I'm never wrong, and a much better than average chance that the truth lies somewhere in the middle?

Hence pot, kettle.

I'm sure it will end up on our TV at some point once it hits D+, as do most flicks that end up there. I don't anticipate my kids watching it more than once though because they have not mentioned it a single time, and when they are in to a movie coming out they ask about a billion times. Three daughters ages 4-8 are the target demo for this thing and honestly couldn't give a damn that it exists.

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fig96 said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Could it be that there's a very slim chance that you're never wrong, a similarly slim chance that I'm never wrong, and a much better than average chance that the truth lies somewhere in the middle?

Hence pot, kettle.

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If they hadn't revised the cast, script, etc. I think it'd be much easier to claim it's not political. It's too muddled now to say the end product isn't the result of CYA precisely because it was, and is now a milquetoast product hoping to scrape by, despite still not having a prince. You simply can't unring the bell.

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That's fair but I think also gets into a really gray area.

Similar to The Acolyte, did the creators' intent negatively affect the show? Quite possibly, but at the same time the discussion around those viewpoints was far more prominent than any content that appeared in the actual end product (which kind of sounds like the case here as well from those who have seen it).

In the end we'll never truly know exactly what resulted in what, it's all conjecture on the viewers side. Sometimes creators just make bad decisions.

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AGC said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Could it be that there's a very slim chance that you're never wrong, a similarly slim chance that I'm never wrong, and a much better than average chance that the truth lies somewhere in the middle?

Hence pot, kettle.

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If they hadn't revised the cast, script, etc. I think it'd be much easier to claim it's not political. It's too muddled now to say the end product isn't the result of CYA precisely because it was, and is now a milquetoast product hoping to scrape by, despite still not having a prince. You simply can't unring the bell.

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That's fair but I think also gets into a really gray area.

Similar to The Acolyte, did the creators' intent negatively affect the show? Quite possibly, but at the same time the discussion around those viewpoints was far more prominent than any content that appeared in the actual end product (which kind of sounds like the case here as well from those who have seen it).

In the end we'll never truly know exactly what resulted in what, it's all conjecture on the viewers side. Sometimes creators just make bad decisions.

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I mean I'm not so sure it's that grey. This is a remake rather than new original tale, so changes are magnified because we all know the original. The mere idea of retelling a tale and updating or changing it for modern audiences contradicts the idea of transcendent truth and shared human experience, because there's something that no longer applies.

I just can't believe you guys are still going with this crap.

I woke up to 60 new responses in this thread!

Of grown men talking about Snow White!

It's objectively hilarious.

the hipsters in the field from the pre release stills are in fact bandits. They frequently steal from the Evil Queen and castle because the townspeople are starving. They share their spoils with the rest of the villagers and those in need since the Evil Queen hoards all of the kingdoms resources. It's very much in the vein of Robin Hood and his merry band of thieves.

Plot wise Snow White catches the leader stealing and does nothing to stop him. She tries and fails to convince the Evil Queen to share more food and go easy on him. She instead decides to chain him to the front gate to freeze to death as a lesson.

Snow White frees him and they later meet up to join forces in the forest.

I don't actually recall the scene from the still being in the film

Gatekeeping for your daughters and endlessly whining on the internet are two completely different things.

What is going on in here?