I'm a big fan of the original but I'm not sure about the live action version. You just can't replicate the charm of an animated character in live action, and for me the trailer seems a bit hit or miss.

That's not to say it may not do well at the box offices, I had zero desire to see the "live action" Lion King and that made a lot of money. So we'll see.

As long as they avoid any connections to illegal aliens or Hawaiian colonization, I expect it to print money. Happy to eat crow if wrong.

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Convenient how you left out the part where the "tons of money" prediction was from last AUGUST, before all the latest drama and Disney basically abandoned the movie. Or where I was CONTINUALLY saying in this thread that it had the CHANCE to make just under $500m IF reviews were good/it had legs. I didn't say it was going to succeed, I simply said there was still opportunity for it not to fail.

Never mind that I also even personally rooted for it to fail multiple times in this thread as a message to Disney, re: these dumb, soulless, live-action remakes.

But you guys of course only read/quote what you want to. Subtlety, nuance, and context clues have never been the strong suit of those constantly on the attack.

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It's working...

Had a feeling that SNOW WHITE was going to have repercussions for the OTHER live-action adaptations that Disney was planning. Wrote this last week, and sure enough, THR just reported that TANGLED is on hold indefinitely. To be honest, probably the right call by Greenbaum. pic.twitter.com/eYUkRsg3Xj

— Jeff Sneider (@TheInSneider) April 3, 2025

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If they get Sabrina Carpenter for Tangled and make it rated R with Gal Gadot changing roles to be a lonely, curious Mother Gothel, they could make back the Snow White money and break Endgame's single-day record.

This post on X makes the point I've been making for awhile now about Iger's Disney ... but makes it much better.

Disney in 2002: Look at all the memorable characters our artists have created over the years

Disney in 2025: Look at all the companies we've acquired pic.twitter.com/OGWpB8uyah

— Muppet Treasure Planet (@tonygoldmark) April 4, 2025

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Looking like another 60% drop and about $5.7 million for the weekend. This is tracking right along with The Marvels, and it's probably not even hitting $90 million. It may do even worse internationally, messing this could come in under $200 million worldwide.

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very interesting how things are shaping up for Disney in the box office right now….

Captain America 4 = underperformed and likely lost money
Snow White = definitely underperformed and going to lose lots of money

Released late last year but still in theaters at the beginning of 2025

Moana 2: I'm sure it made money no idea how much know nothing of budget
Mufasa: I'm guessing same as above for Moana 2…

And on the horizon for the next several months

Thunderbolts
Fantastic 4
Lilo and Stitch

Suffice it to say whatever profits Moana 2 and mufasa gave Disney have been easily erased by cap 4 and Snow White….they really need thunderbolts to perform well (and rate well) because that'll spell out so much for F4…..and I really….REALLY want those 3 films I listed to be good!

Make good movies Dangit!!!!! Make me laugh! Make me yell "holy crap!" Make me cry!

Don't make crap!

cap 4 was a very ok film.

I'm definitely going to see Thunderbolts.

Can't remember the last movie I was looking forward to seeing in the theater.

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I don't think marvel was shattered by Disney … yet. They have just made a ton of boring mediocre movies since End Game.

Star Wars however….. shattered and destroyed.

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There's been room for creative improvement. But the financial returns on Marvel and Lucasfilm have been huge.

Moana was created as a disney plus series, then rebranded as a movie and recently crossed $1 billion global on a budget of $150m.

Mufasa is at $718m worldwide on a budget of $200 m.

So that's $1.77bn on an investment of $350m

Brave New World is up to $409m worldwide on a budget of $180m

Snow White is at $148m worldwide on a $269m budget. So right now it's $121m in the hole, but the other three combined are $2.08bn ahead of their combined budgets.

That's all on the heels of Inside Out 2 grossing $1.7bn last year on $200m budget, and Deadpool & Wolverine making $1.33bn on a $200m budget last year.

That's how every movie is measured (cost vs revenue).

In addition to Houston's excellent points above, Disney also has Zootopia 2 and Avatar: Fire and Ash later this year, the former having a legit shot at being in the top five by year's end, while the latter will almost assuredly be number one.

Then, in 2026, Disney has an Avengers movie and a Star Wars movie releasing the same month (May).

All while Lilo & Stitch is tracking extremely well this May, Thunderbolts* and The Fantastic Four look better than any Marvel movies in years, and Disney has a new Tron movie releasing in October.

In other words, over the next fourteen months or so, they have a legit shot at making more money than any other studio during the same stretch. They're going to be just fine.

I totally get wishing they'd make better, more original movies - I do too - but the hysteria/lack of perspective at times in threads like these is always a bit much.

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Those are good numbers but also not the complete picture. The production budget is probably half the total cost, and obviously Disney doesn't get all the ticket income. So double the budget and halve the ticket revenue to see the profit. Those movies still did well, but they didn't make as much money as you said. And the same logic shows that a movie like Snow White is an even bigger bomb.

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The way you wrote it - it sounds like you're just guessing on how much things cost. Like the other guy said, aren't we basing whether movies suceeded or not based on the box office vs the budget?

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BQRyno said:

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Those are good numbers but also not the complete picture. The production budget is probably half the total cost, and obviously Disney doesn't get all the ticket income. So double the budget and halve the ticket revenue to see the profit. Those movies still did well, but they didn't make as much money as you said. And the same logic shows that a movie like Snow White is an even bigger bomb.

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The way you wrote it - it sounds like you're just guessing on how much things cost. Like the other guy said, aren't we basing whether movies suceeded or not based on the box office vs the budget?

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To answer your original question (before you edited), promotional costs are typically roughly the same as production costs, right?

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I haven't the faintest idea how much anything costs in Hollywood.

For most movies, the marketing budget is roughly half the production cost. For the biggest blockbusters, yeah, the marketing budget can sometimes be around the same as the production budget, as long the production budget isn't exceeding $175M or so. For something like Lilo & Stitch or Tron, though, the marketing budget is probably somewhere closer to 75% of the production budget. It all depends.

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Moana was created as a disney plus series, then rebranded as a movie and recently crossed $1 billion global on a budget of $150m.

Mufasa is at $718m worldwide on a budget of $200 m.

So that's $1.77bn on an investment of $350m

Brave New World is up to $409m worldwide on a budget of $180m

Snow White is at $148m worldwide on a $269m budget. So right now it's $121m in the hole, but the other three combined are $2.08bn ahead of their combined budgets.

That's all on the heels of Inside Out 2 grossing $1.7bn last year on $200m budget, and Deadpool & Wolverine making $1.33bn on a $200m budget last year.

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yeah that's not enough math….

None of your numbers factors in the money made off of sales is roughly 50% of its revenue….theaters make money too…..and that also doesn't factor in advertising…..

Those films aren't making as much as you think….

Also…my post was referring to 2025…..I wasn't referring to any films made in 2024 because the idea was referring to disneys outlook for 2025…..I included Moana and mufasa because it actually helps Disney because those films did carry over to 2025 as far as money made since they released near the end of 2024….

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What about all the merchandise that these movies generate?

swimmerbabe11 said:

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cap 4 was a very ok film.

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Yep like the rest of Phase 4 or whatever was post Endgame…entirely forgettable.

The $90 million is only domestic, right?

You ignored a lot of ancillary revenue.

It's not just box office gross you can start deducting costs on to land on a net.