Huge drop in pressure in Nordstream pipelines; targeted attack suspected

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Fat Black Swan
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Probably some psycho-greenies. If ever there was a time to **** with a pipeline to create havoc, this is it
Rapier108
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Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.
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Rapier108 said:

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.
Who says it has to be Russia? There are plenty of other parties that would like another log on the fire as well.
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Maybe it's the special forces in Germany. Maybe they were finished securing the servers
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Rapier108 said:

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.


To blame the US, or we actually did it.

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Is Sleepy Joe wearing an earpiece in this clip? It could be for translations, but i dont know if he's talking to the foreign press or not. Guess I've just never seen anyone wearing one before.
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javajaws said:

Rapier108 said:

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.
Who says it has to be Russia? There are plenty of other parties that would like another log on the fire as well.
Who would have the capabilities and motivation? Not the USA. Not any of the Euros. The greenies maybe with mercenaries. The Chinese? None of these make sense to me. Who did I leave out?
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From looking at something more than Disclose.tv.

Neither pipeline was currently running, but there was gas in both.

NS2 sprung a leak where it passes near Denmark. Denmark does not see any evidence of an attack at this time on the NS2.

Pressure dropped later on NS1 and that is the one they don't know where the leak is or why and this is why some think it was attacked.
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agent-maroon said:

javajaws said:

Rapier108 said:

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.
Who says it has to be Russia? There are plenty of other parties that would like another log on the fire as well.
Who would have the capabilities and motivation? Not the USA. Not any of the Euros. The greenies maybe with mercenaries. The Chinese? None of these make sense to me. Who did I leave out?
Ukrania?

Sure, they have no navy and are fighting for their lives, but they have more money than they know how to spend right now.

Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap!
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I'd pay good money to have a photo of those a-hole laughing Germans right about now.
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C@LAg said:

Que Te Gusta Mas said:

Rapier108 said:

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.


To blame the US, or we actually did it.


On February 7, 2022, in the presence of Chancellor Olaf #Scholz , Joe Biden declared that #Nordstream2 would be ended. A reporter asked how Biden planned to do that. His answer: "I promise you, we'll be able to do it."


With all the conspiracy theories that have come true, I'm gonna jump on this bandwagon as well. Leftists are enemies of the state and should be treated as such.
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agent-maroon said:

javajaws said:

Rapier108 said:

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.
Who says it has to be Russia? There are plenty of other parties that would like another log on the fire as well.
Who would have the capabilities and motivation? Not the USA. Not any of the Euros. The greenies maybe with mercenaries. The Chinese? None of these make sense to me. Who did I leave out?
Or the Germans are wrong and bad at their jobs?
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Seems like a European problem for Europeans to solve for the sake of Europeans in Europe.
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Klaus Schwab approves.
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titan
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That seems more likely than Russia blowing up their own pipeline that they use to manage events.

But I wonder why they are sure it is not some kind of operator error or even natural failure.
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Except when our govt created the problem.
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agent-maroon said:

javajaws said:

Rapier108 said:

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline, other than a false flag? All they'd have to turn is turn if off.
Who says it has to be Russia? There are plenty of other parties that would like another log on the fire as well.
Who would have the capabilities and motivation? Not the USA. Not any of the Euros. The greenies maybe with mercenaries. The Chinese? None of these make sense to me. Who did I leave out?
Muslim extremists.
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Maybe. Doesn't seem like their style. Pipeline attacks don't kill enough people in spectacular fashion.
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Is there anyone who would benefit from Russia not being abole to service Europe if they want it?
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birdman
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Why would the Russians blow it up?

They could just stop loading up their end with gas.
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Or the Germans are wrong and bad at their jobs?
This is where I'm leaning. Screw something up or don't have the capability to evaluate deep water repair, take the easy way out and blame it on an attack. Anybody listening in the area of the failure? Was there an explosion recorded recently?
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agent-maroon said:

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Or the Germans are wrong and bad at their jobs?
This is where I'm leaning. Screw something up or don't have the capability to evaluate deep water repair, take the easy way out and blame it on an attack. Anybody listening in the area of the failure? Was there an explosion recorded recently?


A repair can be made. Any offshore service company can determine if a repair can be made. In fact, I believe Subsea 7 has the contract to do just that. The pipeline repair equipment is sitting in a warehouse in Norway. I know this because i was involved with manufacturing it.
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birdman said:

Why would the Russians blow it up?

They could just stop loading up their end with gas.
Agreed, but the Russians have hidden behind excuses such as "we're performing maintenance on the pipeline" when they shut it down in the recent past. So, this could be them creating some BS excuse rather than just admitting they're cutting off the gas.

Either way, anything that destroys modern western society and the consumption of fossil fuels is a win for the satanic Davos crowd.
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https://www.bfmtv.com/international/asie/russie/en-direct-fuites-sur-nord-stream-kiev-denonce-une-attaque-terroriste-planifiee-par-moscou_LN-202209270473.html#article_137461

French outlet saying 2 explosions detected. UDT, UUWV or submarine launched. I wonder how deep it is there.
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so does this effectively end any negotiation between the euromorons and russia to restart gas transmission in settlement of ukraine and other disputes?

certainly doesnt sound like anything ukraine could do, russia or germany would do, or the US should do... unless we are trying to start ww3.
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This admin has already shown an dangerous naivety in believing it can fight Russia by proxy directly on her border. Have always felt that eventually leads to likely war. Same way Chinese tampering with Mexico directly probably would with us.

Its easy enough to believe this fool thinks he can attack Russia with some `plausible deniability' like his party uses against Republicans, but it doesn't work that way with such regimes as Putins.
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Why would US do it?
Because... but I can't believe Biden claimed he would do it when we wanted to. . Certainly opens us up for blame whether we performed the attack or not. More American distrust means less valuable currency, less allies, more negative feelings towards our population/govt.

Why would Russia do it?
To disrupt Europe, while shifting the blame to US as an enemy to EVERYONE.

Why would any other country or entity do it?
To create anarchy and disruption or pull countries into a war.
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Buck Turgidson may have hit on one.

Perhaps the Davos crowd -- neither the US or Russian governments -- wants to use it to force their ruinous leveraged makeover of energy and even overall global network.

Its at least in the same ballpark as the Poland outlier. If we are looking at something other than the two big powers.
 
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