wessimo said:

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Seems unlikely they would have used a bomb carried by a pipeline pig given that there was no flow and the location would be pretty far for a self-propelled pig to travel.

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Spider Pig strikes again!

74OA said:

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Here's a solid explanation of who likely did it, how and why.

Scroll to 12-minute mark. Analyst has heavy accent but is worth listening to.

LEAKS

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74OA - You are WAY over thinking this. As are the men on the video you linked. Biden gave Putin notice back in February this would be the sanction if he invaded Ukraine. He's on camera saying so:


And it wasn't him speaking off the cuff. Here's Under Secretary of State Victoria Nulan saying pretty much the same thing before Biden said it, in January:

.@UnderSecStateP Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” pic.twitter.com/hEGBrx6HJj

— Department of State (@StateDept) January 27, 2022

And this series of posts give insight into how it was done:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3323179/replies/63107107

So the Who Done It is pretty obvious to anyone who is even remotely objective in their analysis. Either the U.S. did it, or the U.S. trained and provided the expertise and equimpment for Ukrainian operatives to do it so we could maintain plausible deniability (If the U.S. actually did it on our own, it would almost certainly constitute an act of war.)

Tucker's segment (posted either earlier in this thread or another thread on this topic) does a good job laying it all out.

I have seen/heard reports of it being between about 55 to 250 feet deep. So not a technically difficult repair as far as depth is concerned.

Video says it will be easy to tell if the edges of the pipe were blasted inward or outward. Outward, and it was almost certainly Gasprom trying to make the case that related sanctions need to be lifted so they can upgrade turbines and other pipeline equipment to "keep the line safe." Inward, and who knows?

wessimo said:

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Seems unlikely they would have used a bomb carried by a pipeline pig given that there was no flow and the location would be pretty far for a self-propelled pig to travel.

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It's just nonsense talk The world believes we did it. We aren't denying it. Yet people keep saying Russia despite zero evidence for it being Russia and zero benefit for Russia.

I did see it in a Bond movie once, but that was a depressurized line. And also a Bond movie.

Twice. Buried in a pipe in Diamonds are Forever, and tried to prevent a pipe demolition in The World is Not Enough.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Twice. Buried in a pipe in Diamonds are Forever, and tried to prevent a pipe demolition in The World is Not Enough.

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Wasn't one of those where a nuclear bomb (with a timer, of course) was being sent down the pipeline?

And The World is Not Enough has the greatest song/video.

Rounding up the usual suspects:

I am not ready to totally count out Russia. Here is my reasoning:

1. Putin is not rational by Western standards. He is rational by oriental despotism standards.

2. If Russia turned off the gas, there would be push back from Europe to turn it back on. In particular I think there would be pressure on the oligarchs to "get their man in line" Again this is Western logic, not Russian. One of these oligarchs might be tempted to arrange a meeting with a window for Putin.

3. By destroying the pipeline Putin can send a message to his syncophants that "we be all in this together biatches". Someone posted elsewhere this is his Cortez burning the ships so there can be no thought of turning back.

4. Russia can now play all sorts of tom feckery with the west, turning suspicion on antagonists like Poland and the US.

The US

1. Biden is incompetent. Peepaw said he could blowed it up so Peepaw blowed it up.

2. US keeps pressure on Europe to stick to the script.

Poland

1. Poland's own gas lines get more valuable long term.

2. They keep Western Europe from doing what Western Europe is inclined to do by nature, express their inner surrender monkeys.

3. Never underestimate the pleasure Poles get sticking it to Germans.

China

1. China is ah-hole. Pretty much their entire foreign policy.

Iran

1. (see China)

False Flag time!

Yeah, I'm not seeing the downside short term to Russia, since they weren't shipping gas to Europe at the time.

They can say there's no way to ship it now because someone else sabotaged the pipelines. Not our fault. Sorry about your winter.

They can sow seeds of dissension and say we did it and point to past statements.

All for a pipeline that Europe is not using in the short term and wants to wean itself off of in the long term. Russia can always repair them if needed in the long term.

It also serves as a warning that nearby pipelines can be struck, so there's still leverage to do damage to energy supplies.

In the end I have no clue who did it (although I tend to suspect Russia more so than us). I can see why our domestic pro Russia lobby would leap on this and point the finger at us too. You have better material than the Nazis/bioweapons labs/etc.

Germany was starting to waver. Their allies needed to remind them who they serve.

Video from Swedish CG.

Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline when they could just turn it off?

The Green Dragon said:

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Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline when they could just turn it off?

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To blame the attack on someone else to justify other objectives...

The Green Dragon said:

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Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline when they could just turn it off?

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There was a pipeline that went online from Norway to Poland the exact same day not far from this. Additionally there is quite a bit of pipeline structure from Norway to Europe supplying something like 20-25% of all LNG to the continent. Kind of a threat to both of those.

You could definitely see this as a threat to Europe to say if you think winter is bad now, keep shipping weapons to Ukraine and see what will really happen. I could definitely see that.

Not sold it IS the Russians but they definitely have the ability and everyone agrees the Russians have been scouting energy facilities all over the North Sea and Baltic Sea with drones for the last 2 years. So definitely maybe? Peepaw is dumb enough to do something like this or someone in his cockamamie inner circle is dumb enough to sign off on it. They're still trying to "negotiate" with Iran after all.

The Green Dragon said:

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Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline when they could just turn it off?

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Also when Europe freezes Russia isn't the one withholding the gas while Europe looks to punish someone.
Some naughty third party is the one making you suffer Europe.

Like I said, you can see potential motivation for Russia to do it, especially since the pipelines weren't bringing in anything of value short term.

Division of foes, plausible deniability for when Europe is punished this winter, shows capability of further damaging energy supplies (potential sabotage of nearby operating pipelines), etc.

atmtws said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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Why would Russia blow up their own pipeline when they could just turn it off?

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To blame the attack on someone else to justify other objectives...

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Since when has Russia tried to hide their aspirations or proceed under some manner of pretext? They've invaded a sovereign nation, they commit violence against civilians. Putin routinely assassinates his enemies. I'm not sure we are dealing with people that need an excuse.

This shadow administration is capable of many things, but I don't think they are that stupid to blow this thing up.

PA24 said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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74OA said:

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Here's a solid explanation of who likely did it, how and why.

Scroll to 12-minute mark. Analyst has heavy accent but is worth listening to.

LEAKS

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74OA - You are WAY over thinking this. As are the men on the video you linked. Biden gave Putin notice back in February this would be the sanction if he invaded Ukraine. He's on camera saying so:


And it wasn't him speaking off the cuff. Here's Under Secretary of State Victoria Nulan saying pretty much the same thing before Biden said it, in January:

.@UnderSecStateP Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” pic.twitter.com/hEGBrx6HJj

— Department of State (@StateDept) January 27, 2022

And this series of posts give insight into how it was done:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3323179/replies/63107107

So the Who Done It is pretty obvious to anyone who is even remotely objective in their analysis. Either the U.S. did it, or the U.S. trained and provided the expertise and equimpment for Ukrainian operatives to do it so we could maintain plausible deniability (If the U.S. actually did it on our own, it would almost certainly constitute an act of war.)

Tucker's segment (posted either earlier in this thread or another thread on this topic) does a good job laying it all out.

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Must be Putin's fan club claiming the USA was behind the pipeline leaks.

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I think it's more like Joe Biden doing what he said would be done.

Some of y'all have gone too deep making up crazy mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious. We aren't even denying it. We had a P8 flying circles right above it when they blew… we had navy boats in the area.

CanyonAg77 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Twice. Buried in a pipe in Diamonds are Forever, and tried to prevent a pipe demolition in The World is Not Enough.

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Wasn't one of those where a nuclear bomb (with a timer, of course) was being sent down the pipeline?

And The World is Not Enough has the greatest song/video.

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Didn't Bond escape USSR into Austria via a pipeline in Living Daylights?

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Some of y'all have gone too deep making up crazy mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious. We aren't even denying it. We had a P8 flying circles right above it when they blew… we had navy boats in the area.

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And why do you so badly want it to be the US?

Rapier108 said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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Some of y'all have gone too deep making up crazy mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious. We aren't even denying it. We had a P8 flying circles right above it when they blew… we had navy boats in the area.

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And why do you so badly want it to be the US?

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It's not about what I want. I'm only looking at the evidence and it all points to the United States. Any other opinions support is literally conjecture with zero evidence.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to accept the regime in control of our country doesn't want Germany to back down going into winter.

What I want is for people to stop thinking with emotions and reacting based on their TV and social media programming and to actually CRITICALLY think.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Some of y'all have gone too deep making up crazy mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious. We aren't even denying it. We had a P8 flying circles right above it when they blew… we had navy boats in the area.

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Maybe they were just making sure the Ukranians did the job right and/or were observing in case they needed some assistance. They are at war with Russia and have more than a little motivation for taking putin's gas chip off the bargaining table. Just a possibility is all I'm saying.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Some of y'all have gone too deep making up crazy mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious. We aren't even denying it. We had a P8 flying circles right above it when they blew… we had navy boats in the area.

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That could be in response to a Russian sub more likely than us watching some SEALs diving.

CSTXAg92 said:

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PA24 said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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74OA said:

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Here's a solid explanation of who likely did it, how and why.

Scroll to 12-minute mark. Analyst has heavy accent but is worth listening to.

LEAKS

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74OA - You are WAY over thinking this. As are the men on the video you linked. Biden gave Putin notice back in February this would be the sanction if he invaded Ukraine. He's on camera saying so:


And it wasn't him speaking off the cuff. Here's Under Secretary of State Victoria Nulan saying pretty much the same thing before Biden said it, in January:

.@UnderSecStateP Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” pic.twitter.com/hEGBrx6HJj

— Department of State (@StateDept) January 27, 2022

And this series of posts give insight into how it was done:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3323179/replies/63107107

So the Who Done It is pretty obvious to anyone who is even remotely objective in their analysis. Either the U.S. did it, or the U.S. trained and provided the expertise and equimpment for Ukrainian operatives to do it so we could maintain plausible deniability (If the U.S. actually did it on our own, it would almost certainly constitute an act of war.)

Tucker's segment (posted either earlier in this thread or another thread on this topic) does a good job laying it all out.

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Must be Putin's fan club claiming the USA was behind the pipeline leaks.

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I think it's more like Joe Biden doing what he said would be done.

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No way it's the US.

Everything pointing to RUSSIA

Russia is a candidate only if the repairs are easy or misleading `cosmetic'. (Leakage is fine, talking about damage) They would not do something severe and lose all options.

Ag In Ok said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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Some of y'all have gone too deep making up crazy mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious. We aren't even denying it. We had a P8 flying circles right above it when they blew… we had navy boats in the area.

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That could be in response to a Russian sub more likely than us watching some SEALs diving.

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The Hunt for Red October

who here thinks the US had knowledge in advance of the sabotage?

The Baltic pipeline kicking on the day nordstream 1&2 are disabled could swing two ways, one, Russia doing this to point the finger at USA/NATO and drive a wedge for future peace deals or an outside actor looking to broker a ceasefire/armistice similar to 73 with Kissinger. Rothschild energy would certainly benefit selling to both sides.

Look to October 25th for a peace deal to be signed in Berlin.

74OA said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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PA24 said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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74OA said:

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Here's a solid explanation of who likely did it, how and why.

Scroll to 12-minute mark. Analyst has heavy accent but is worth listening to.

LEAKS

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74OA - You are WAY over thinking this. As are the men on the video you linked. Biden gave Putin notice back in February this would be the sanction if he invaded Ukraine. He's on camera saying so:


And it wasn't him speaking off the cuff. Here's Under Secretary of State Victoria Nulan saying pretty much the same thing before Biden said it, in January:

.@UnderSecStateP Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” pic.twitter.com/hEGBrx6HJj

— Department of State (@StateDept) January 27, 2022

And this series of posts give insight into how it was done:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3323179/replies/63107107

So the Who Done It is pretty obvious to anyone who is even remotely objective in their analysis. Either the U.S. did it, or the U.S. trained and provided the expertise and equimpment for Ukrainian operatives to do it so we could maintain plausible deniability (If the U.S. actually did it on our own, it would almost certainly constitute an act of war.)

Tucker's segment (posted either earlier in this thread or another thread on this topic) does a good job laying it all out.

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Must be Putin's fan club claiming the USA was behind the pipeline leaks.

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I think it's more like Joe Biden doing what he said would be done.

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No way it's the US.

Everything pointing to RUSSIA

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You guys 1) refusing to take Biden at his word and 2) drawing irrational conclusions are almost comical.

Why would Russia blow up the pipeline used to transport Russian gas to European markets, costing Russia and Russian companies 100s of Millions of Dollars every day??