It was sabotage of the controls, like a Stuxnet style op....by the US. Per peepaw Biden.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Twice. Buried in a pipe in Diamonds are Forever, and tried to prevent a pipe demolition in The World is Not Enough.

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Doesn't Bond pretty much bury pipe in every Bond movie?

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Twice. Buried in a pipe in Diamonds are Forever, and tried to prevent a pipe demolition in The World is Not Enough.

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Doesn't Bond pretty much bury pipe in every Bond movie?

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/28/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-leak-russian-navy-ships/index.html

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European security officials on Monday and Tuesday observed Russian Navy support ships in the vicinity of leaks in the Nord Stream pipelines likely caused by underwater explosions, according two Western intelligence officials and one other source familiar with the matter.

It's unclear whether the ships had anything to do with those explosions, these sources and others said -- but it's one of the many factors that investigators will be looking into.

Russian submarines were also observed not far from those areas last week, one of the intelligence officials said.

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Here's a solid explanation of who likely did it, how and why.

Scroll to 12-minute mark. Analyst has heavy accent but is worth listening to.

LEAKS

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74OA - You are WAY over thinking this. As are the men on the video you linked. Biden gave Putin notice back in February this would be the sanction if he invaded Ukraine. He's on camera saying so:


And it wasn't him speaking off the cuff. Here's Under Secretary of State Victoria Nulan saying pretty much the same thing before Biden said it, in January:

.@UnderSecStateP Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” pic.twitter.com/hEGBrx6HJj

— Department of State (@StateDept) January 27, 2022

And this series of posts give insight into how it was done:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3323179/replies/63107107

So the Who Done It is pretty obvious to anyone who is even remotely objective in their analysis. Either the U.S. did it, or the U.S. trained and provided the expertise and equimpment for Ukrainian operatives to do it so we could maintain plausible deniability (If the U.S. actually did it on our own, it would almost certainly constitute an act of war.)

Tucker's segment (posted either earlier in this thread or another thread on this topic) does a good job laying it all out.

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Must be Putin's fan club claiming the USA was behind the pipeline leaks.

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I think it's more like Joe Biden doing what he said would be done.

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No way it's the US.

Everything pointing to RUSSIA

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You guys 1) refusing to take Biden at his word and 2) drawing irrational conclusions are almost comical.

Why would Russia blow up the pipeline used to transport Russian gas to European markets, costing Russia and Russian companies 100s of Millions of Dollars every day??

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Because it wasn't delivering any gas or dollars a day, Europeans had publicly vowed to not use it in the future and were taking steps to not need it in the future, its (pipelines) only immediate benefit to Russia was to sabotage portions to sew dissension, disclaim responsibility when Europe wants to pass along the pain this winter, and to show ability to threaten nearby pipelines.

The idea that Germany was going to somehow cut a deal and undo sanctions itself such that we had to take action to prevent it is a farcical motivation. Germany can't unilaterally do **it to put the toothpaste back since it's a part of the union, even if the wish casting were true.

The most immediate ramifications for the board are the relieved messaging of the patriots finally latching onto Russian propaganda that doesn't include the words Nazis or bioweapons labs. Biden's blustering prewar gives cover.

They really hadn't given you much to work with up until now.

Russia did it because it's low cost signaling to the Europeans.

It's amazing that I give this admin about as much credibility as Putin's. I still think critically, it's not me that's changed.

Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

Apparently this cartoon is trending across Europe.

With the hashtag #SanktionengegendieUSA (#SanctionTheUS), this cartoon is currently trending on Twitter in Germany & other parts of Europe after US blew up the Nord Steam pipe line. Even Europeans seem to be tired of the destructive policies the US pursues throughout the world. pic.twitter.com/8FELPr5Oa3

— Asnake Anteneh 🇪🇹 (@anteneh_asnake) September 29, 2022

Crazy how smart Russia is, blow up their own pipeline then drive a wedge between Europe and her allies. (We are back to Russia being cunning masterminds right? They were incompetent boobs for the last six months...)

To prevent Germany from caving.

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To prevent Germany from caving.

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I would think the negatives outweigh the positives for that. The positives would outweigh the negatives for Ukraine or a completely random country wanting to climb the ladder of chaos, a la Littlefinger .

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Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

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Europe could have normalized relationship with Russia after the Donbas states' referenda. The Zelensky fanbois say this is impossible but FFS look at how fast European nations gobbled up Russian oil once the prohibition hit at the start of the war. It lasted less than a week. Then Gazprom made their work around and European nations were playing ball, working around "official policy".

The US is simply removing the possibility of a separate peace. That's the purpose. An isolated Europe means they have to come to us. Because they infrastructure to mend with Russia is gone.

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Some of y'all have gone too deep making up crazy mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious. We aren't even denying it. We had a P8 flying circles right above it when they blew… we had navy boats in the area.

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That could be in response to a Russian sub more likely than us watching some SEALs diving.

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The Hunt for Red October

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Most of the things in here don't react well to bullets

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Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

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Europe could have normalized relationship with Russia after the Donbas states' referenda. The Zelensky fanbois say this is impossible but FFS look at how fast European nations gobbled up Russian oil once the prohibition hit at the start of the war. It lasted less than a week. Then Gazprom made their work around and European nations were playing ball, working around "official policy".

The US is simply removing the possibility of a separate peace. That's the purpose. An isolated Europe means they have to come to us. Because they infrastructure to mend with Russia is gone.

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It just doesn't make sense to me that our administration that is currently shutting down energy production and exportation domestically is "secretly" screwing over all of Europe so that they have to rely on us exporting and producing energy. And our nutless administration did it by sabotaging a pipeline in areas that the entire world knows our navy is in control right now, as if daring them to make an accusation. What am I missing?

So if we did do this....did Joe just carry out an act of war without Congressional approval? We know that's super important after the Bush years. We should inpeach!

Seems like Russia saw an opportunity to make Biden's reckless statement a reality and then launch a propaganda campaign to drive a wedge between political factions in Europe and the USA over supposed US energy policy meddling. The pipelines weren't making any money but they could still be useful for propaganda.

It's a very viable and reasonable explanation.

Makes more sense for Russia, they have the cover of Biden being dumb AF
It keeps in check their oligarchs
In theory should heighten moral that all the men fleeing will want to fight against the US in Ukraine ect
Also sends a message to Europe that your pipeline could be next
Oh and they get to blame the US
And likewise it gets to drive a wedge in NATO / EU v US alliances
The US is overall a net loser if it was us - which knowing Biden is absolutely the thing he would do lol


If you look at this from a non rational viewpoint that Putin is operating under smart money would bet it's him. FSB slow playing this and letting the rest of the world rush there first would be one of the smarter things they've done recently. They may suck at wars but they're great at espionage.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

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Europe could have normalized relationship with Russia after the Donbas states' referenda. The Zelensky fanbois say this is impossible but FFS look at how fast European nations gobbled up Russian oil once the prohibition hit at the start of the war. It lasted less than a week. Then Gazprom made their work around and European nations were playing ball, working around "official policy".

The US is simply removing the possibility of a separate peace. That's the purpose. An isolated Europe means they have to come to us. Because they infrastructure to mend with Russia is gone.

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It just doesn't make sense to me that our administration that is currently shutting down energy production and exportation domestically is "secretly" screwing over all of Europe so that they have to rely on us exporting and producing energy. And our nutless administration did it by sabotaging a pipeline in areas that the entire world knows our navy is in control right now, as if daring them to make an accusation. What am I missing?

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Regardless of the status of the NS pipes, to your first point, I can't understand why we didn't ramp up energy at the start of the war. We are six months in and still no shift.

If I were a conspiratorial guy, I would believe our leaders are intentionally trying to kill the West. Both the US and Europe. Obama talked about managing decline and the "new normal." I have heard scary parallels between politicians today and Roman governors on the edges of the empire, selling out the empire for personal gains. That's the whiff I smell from the Bidens and Merkels.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

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Europe could have normalized relationship with Russia after the Donbas states' referenda. The Zelensky fanbois say this is impossible but FFS look at how fast European nations gobbled up Russian oil once the prohibition hit at the start of the war. It lasted less than a week. Then Gazprom made their work around and European nations were playing ball, working around "official policy".

The US is simply removing the possibility of a separate peace. That's the purpose. An isolated Europe means they have to come to us. Because they infrastructure to mend with Russia is gone.

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Wow. Nice 3D chess here.

Or…given the fact Russian naval vessels were seen in the area before the explosion it's Russian signaling:

"Yo, Europe, we'll blow up your pipelines if you continue support for Ukraine."

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Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

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Europe could have normalized relationship with Russia after the Donbas states' referenda. The Zelensky fanbois say this is impossible but FFS look at how fast European nations gobbled up Russian oil once the prohibition hit at the start of the war. It lasted less than a week. Then Gazprom made their work around and European nations were playing ball, working around "official policy".

The US is simply removing the possibility of a separate peace. That's the purpose. An isolated Europe means they have to come to us. Because they infrastructure to mend with Russia is gone.

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Wow. Nice 3D chess here.

Or…given the fact Russian naval vessels were seen in the area before the explosion it's Russian signaling:

"Yo, Europe, we'll blow up your pipelines if you continue support for Ukraine."

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blow up shut off pipelines.

Again we are back to Russia being competent and genius because Europe is pointing the finger at the US, not Putin.

Man...he really is a great strategist. He can blow up his own assets and fracture his enemies and it doesn't cost him a ruble.

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I would argue that Putin's plan, if Russia actually did sabotage the pipelines, has backfired if the hope was to splinter unity between European nations and the United States. Today we have a pretty unified front from both the US and Europe that Russia is to blame and they will be supplying even more weapons to Ukraine. Especially, in light of the "referendum" that has just concluded to annex parts of Ukraine.

Putin is an idiot.

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It's a very viable and reasonable explanation.

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not sure it's all that reasonable

i do like how Russia is capable of 4D chess false flag election rigging global spycraft

but can't destroy the UKR airforce in the first 48 hours of an invasion

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

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Europe could have normalized relationship with Russia after the Donbas states' referenda. The Zelensky fanbois say this is impossible but FFS look at how fast European nations gobbled up Russian oil once the prohibition hit at the start of the war. It lasted less than a week. Then Gazprom made their work around and European nations were playing ball, working around "official policy".

The US is simply removing the possibility of a separate peace. That's the purpose. An isolated Europe means they have to come to us. Because they infrastructure to mend with Russia is gone.

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It just doesn't make sense to me that our administration that is currently shutting down energy production and exportation domestically is "secretly" screwing over all of Europe so that they have to rely on us exporting and producing energy. And our nutless administration did it by sabotaging a pipeline in areas that the entire world knows our navy is in control right now, as if daring them to make an accusation. What am I missing?

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Regardless of the status of the NS pipes, to your first point, I can't understand why we didn't ramp up energy at the start of the war. We are six months in and still no shift.

If I were a conspiratorial guy, I would believe our leaders are intentionally trying to kill the West. Both the US and Europe. Obama talked about managing decline and the "new normal." I have heard scary parallels between politicians today and Roman governors on the edges of the empire, selling out the empire for personal gains. That's the whiff I smell from the Bidens and Merkels.

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Biden's handlers are WEF great reset agents. They are militantly anti-O&G. They want Europe and eventually the US and then the rest of the world to shift away from fossil fuels. Cheap, plentiful O&G from Russia is an impediment to the great reset. If you look at this in terms of how it benefits team WEF instead of how it benefits individual nations it makes sense.

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i do like how Russia is capable of 4D chess false flag election rigging global spycraft

but can't take destroy the UKR airforce in the first 48 hours of an invasion

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Russian military ran out of gas in the first two weeks. No way this will last till late September.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Just saw a 4th leak is reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/29/fourth-leak-detected-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-baltic-sea

What advantage would the US have in doing this? And why would they only blow holes in places under US control?

Wouldn't this be a massive f-up that would turn most of NATO against us?

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Europe could have normalized relationship with Russia after the Donbas states' referenda. The Zelensky fanbois say this is impossible but FFS look at how fast European nations gobbled up Russian oil once the prohibition hit at the start of the war. It lasted less than a week. Then Gazprom made their work around and European nations were playing ball, working around "official policy".

The US is simply removing the possibility of a separate peace. That's the purpose. An isolated Europe means they have to come to us. Because they infrastructure to mend with Russia is gone.

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1. Normalized after Ukraines surrender? lol.
2. The US would have done this by hacking either the pipeline itself or turning off the power. You don't even need stuxnet for this as you just need to turn it off, not blow it up.

saying Putin is a bond villian as why they would literally blow up their leverage going into the winter isn't compelling

i don't know who did it, but the reasons why Russia would want to do it doesn't really add up. all we're left with is duh he's crazy.

so long as the pipeline physically exists, the leverage exists

especially when there's no gas flowing currently. hacking the pipeline to close a shut valve? what does that demonstrate?

hacking the pipeline to shut off gas after hostilities have ended and gas is promised to flow again would be extremely belligerent to the people of Europe wanting/needing that gas

no, this was the proper time to destroy the pipeline to remove all leverage. and it needed to be physically damaged.

vaguely reminds me of this:

i'll tell you right now

there's no f'ing way this gets traced back to USA

and i'm not convinced that US was involved in any execution. we might have had fore-knowledge and not done anything about it. but there's no way JRB doesn't have complete plausible deniability.

whoever did this was being extremely reckless with millions of lives.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Twice. Buried in a pipe in Diamonds are Forever, and tried to prevent a pipe demolition in The World is Not Enough.

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Doesn't Bond pretty much bury pipe in every Bond movie?

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