Agreed.


This wasn't Russia.

ICYMI, the U.S. Navy 6th Fleet recently conducted "exercises" and "research" with "mock explosives" in the exact location where the pipeline blew up.

h/t @VelociTomhttps://t.co/XXG8DhCVgs

— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) September 27, 2022

So very well said. Anyone who is actually critically thinking knows this wasn't Russia. And if you look at international outcry the majority of blame is being levied at the United States. It's seems the only people who can't fathom it was the US are the US…

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Tweet of the year.

So... how long until TurkStream "develops" a leak?

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It's seems the only people who can't fathom it was the US are the US…

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Guilty. Logic says this is correct, but it's hard to believe it and still feel good about our place in the world. We don't live in a vacuum. We've screwed the Euros and very likely done the same with ourselves.

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Possible that the Ukes are making damn sure that the Euros don't cave on them to get their gas back and give the rus Crimea in a negotiated peace settlement? Idea starting to make some sense to me so somebody tell me why they wouldn't

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While that is a compelling reason, I dont think the Ukes have the capability.

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Can you rent SEAL Team Six?

Like for children's birthday parties, or something?

Asking for a friend.

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So very well said. Anyone who is actually critically thinking knows this wasn't Russia. And if you look at international outcry the majority of blame is being levied at the United States. It's seems the only people who can't fathom it was the US are the US…

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We are shrouded in our gaslighting media and party in power. So only by thinking of other factors do you come to a different conclusion.

one of the major "achievements" of the operation was the collection of over 200 hours of undersea data - data which presumably included precision mapping of the exact location of the Nordstream pipelines that was sufficiently precise for remote sabotage pic.twitter.com/iV8KfTDWMF

— Stephen McIntyre (@ClimateAudit) September 28, 2022

training of Ukrainians in use of advanced underwater drones is shown in video herehttps://t.co/TQ05IgvNaw
The UK trainer observes that drones "know where it is in relation to the surface". I.e. it's capable of exactly locating the Nordstream pipelines that US drones had mapped. pic.twitter.com/xtBK3palA2

— Stephen McIntyre (@ClimateAudit) September 28, 2022

the Royal Navy article on the training operation (joint with US Navy) stated that the UK gave "six of the underwater drones to Ukraine"https://t.co/UYJ6IlZAhL pic.twitter.com/bqKVdiEZCp

— Stephen McIntyre (@ClimateAudit) September 28, 2022

So the US was in possession of precision location data of Nordstream pipelines; Ukraine specialists had been trained by UK and US in the use of underwater drones which could be precisely controlled remotely; UK gave six advanced drones to Ukraine. Means, motive, opportunity

— Stephen McIntyre (@ClimateAudit) September 28, 2022

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Guilty. Logic says this is correct, but it's hard to believe it and still feel good about our place in the world. We don't live in a vacuum. We've screwed the Euros and very likely done the same with ourselves.

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True enough. But as said earlier, this is an entirely self-serving administration. Not just America, but the West is secondary to what furthers its power and agendas.

Prior to going to college I was a subsea pipeliner, so this really hits close to home. Really makes you think.

That $eleventy-billion Ukraine has been gifted gotta go somewhere

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Prior to going to college I was a subsea pipeliner, so this really hits close to home. Really makes you think.

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Penny for your thoughts.

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Guilty. Logic says this is correct, but it's hard to believe it and still feel good about our place in the world. We don't live in a vacuum. We've screwed the Euros and very likely done the same with ourselves.

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True enough. But as said earlier, this is an entirely self-serving administration. Not just America, but the West is secondary to what furthers its power and agendas.

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And what exactly does Joe Biden get out of this?
Y'all spend way too much time on 4chan cooking up conspiracy theories. I don't even know how y'all function in the real world.

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It's seems the only people who can't fathom it was the US are the US…

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Guilty. Logic says this is correct, but it's hard to believe it and still feel good about our place in the world. We don't live in a vacuum. We've screwed the Euros and very likely done the same with ourselves.

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True enough. But as said earlier, this is an entirely self-serving administration. Not just America, but the West is secondary to what furthers its power and agendas.

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But how could Biden's handlers possibly hope to keep such an operation truly secret long term? None of the military forces used would ever divulge it?

Wow

There are coincidences. And then there are coincidences.

Ha I've been out of the pipeline game for a long time but others are correct, these are just concrete coated steel pipelines laid off a pipelay barge. There is a setback at each weld joint where there is no concrete. As others have said, this isn't very deep in the scheme of things. I laid a 42" pipe in the north sea that was much deeper. I was just a hand though, there are certainly some folks who are probably on the engineering side of subsea construction thst will be able to tell you a lot more.

Here is a video of a massive squid we saw with the ROV
while doing a deep water job in the gulf when I worked subsea construction. Nothing to do with pipeline, but the ocean is wild.

Check out Que Te Gusta Mas posted tweets up the page. Seems the Ukes had underwater drones and had been trained to use them for clearing mines & unexploded ordnance. They had a lot to lose if the Euros caved to the Russians and negotiated away their hard won territories to get their gas turned back on.

Call it a conspiracy if you must, but if the Ukes had the means then there is no doubt in my mind that they would do this in an instant.

"Swedish national seismic network says it detected two explosions near leaks in Russian gas pipelines under Baltic Sea"

Nsiap
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/swedish-national-seismic-network-detected-explosions-leaks-russian-90577679

But muh russia

When is this thing gonna pop off?

Unbelievable what we seeing go down here.

We are looking at modern warfare.

Psycological warfare
Biological warfare
Biological counter-measures
Cyber warfare
Conventional warfare

Nuclear war is being threatened willy-nilly

And now what looks like some sort of targeted attack on an undersea pipeline in the Baltic Sea by some unknown state supported actor.

And on top of that, we are on the precipice of a global financial crisis, collapse of the EU and probably the collapse of most global currencies.

Who in the hell knows what we are about to see go down? Who the **** knows?

Anything is possible.

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Guilty. Logic says this is correct, but it's hard to believe it and still feel good about our place in the world. We don't live in a vacuum. We've screwed the Euros and very likely done the same with ourselves.

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True enough. But as said earlier, this is an entirely self-serving administration. Not just America, but the West is secondary to what furthers its power and agendas.

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And what exactly does Joe Biden get out of this?
Y'all spend way too much time on 4chan cooking up conspiracy theories. I don't even know how y'all function in the real world.

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Thinking Russia did it is the conspiracy theory…

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Guilty. Logic says this is correct, but it's hard to believe it and still feel good about our place in the world. We don't live in a vacuum. We've screwed the Euros and very likely done the same with ourselves.

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True enough. But as said earlier, this is an entirely self-serving administration. Not just America, but the West is secondary to what furthers its power and agendas.

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But how could Biden's handlers possibly hope to keep such an operation truly secret long term? None of the military forces used would ever divulge it?

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By self-serving what was saying is the fact that it would harm Europe is not a reason by itself you could count on these guys not doing it. Your objection there is a better one. But its too soon to tell if there exist players willing to take credit. For example, it probably would not hurt Ukraine at all to claim it. But when you look at the capability the list becomes far shorter. And mind, this is all assuming the sabotage is an external event.

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Check out Que Te Gusta Mas posted tweets up the page. Seems the Ukes had underwater drones and had been trained to use them for clearing mines & unexploded ordnance. They had a lot to lose if the Euros caved to the Russians and negotiated away their hard won territories to get their gas turned back on.

Call it a conspiracy if you must, but if the Ukes had the means then there is no doubt in my mind that they would do this in an instant.

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If they had the means they are the best candidate of all, because they are already at war.

China remains a longshot possibility. We have strange unrest apparently going on there. The timing may matter. And they could probably get away it being not traced to them.

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Billeder fra F-16 af gaslækage i Østersøen. https://t.co/OgCDfcvTjG pic.twitter.com/D5wsoXvuda

— Forsvaret (@forsvaretdk) September 27, 2022

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How long before this thing gets set on fire?

Some **** bird gonna fly by and shoot a tracer round into that ****.

Will look like something out of the Bible before its all over.

Welcome to 2022.

How damn hard is it to replace a section of pipeline such as this? Obviously water would fill the whole thing/has at this point, but I'd think this could be repaired in weeks, not months.

I really doubt the Ukes had any naval assets in this area conducting underwater demolitions. Has anyone looked at what is left of the Ukrainian navy, particularly as a deployable deep water force?

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I really doubt the Ukes had any naval assets in this area conducting underwater demolitions. Has anyone looked at what is left of the Ukrainian navy, particularly as a deployable deep water force?

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So the US was in possession of precision location data of Nordstream pipelines; Ukraine specialists had been trained by UK and US in the use of underwater drones which could be precisely controlled remotely; UK gave six advanced drones to Ukraine. Means, motive, opportunity

— Stephen McIntyre (@ClimateAudit) September 28, 2022

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How damn hard is it to replace a section of pipeline such as this? Obviously water would fill the whole thing/has at this point, but I'd think this could be repaired in weeks, not months.

I really doubt the Ukes had any naval assets in this area conducting underwater demolitions. Has anyone looked at what is left of the Ukrainian navy, particularly as a deployable deep water force?

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These things have been discussed in this very thread

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I really doubt the Ukes had any naval assets in this area conducting underwater demolitions. Has anyone looked at what is left of the Ukrainian navy, particularly as a deployable deep water force?

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So the US was in possession of precision location data of Nordstream pipelines; Ukraine specialists had been trained by UK and US in the use of underwater drones which could be precisely controlled remotely; UK gave six advanced drones to Ukraine. Means, motive, opportunity

— Stephen McIntyre (@ClimateAudit) September 28, 2022

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Look at what they had (drones), where they had it, and what they had that could get to Nordstream pipelines. Also, going from operating a drone to cut/collect a surface mine, vs. going to precisely cut a hole in a pipeline at the bottom of the sea is…a different mission/hardware set.

Further, If a superpower were to execute a mission to damage these pipelines as such, they wouldn't outsource it to be done covertly by some newbie trained Ukrainian operators.

One thing to consider that could turn it back to Russia's own doing is if it is indeed true that it is a "relatively simple repair" --- if it is, the odds of a false flag make more sense. Because its easily undone. However, if it is serious difficult damage, it just doesn't add up for Russia to remove their own playing card when they haven't hidden their willingness to blackmail with it.

Of course not. This is just the cover story to be in the area.

"We were training Ukrainians I promise"