Huge drop in pressure in Nordstream pipelines; targeted attack suspected

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The CIA has been quite busy discrediting actual reporting and the Euro's don't want to make public any accusation/data supporting the clear/obvious conclusion that Biden ordered this. Sweden is the one investigating it nominally but has already said...'we're not going to embarrass the US.'

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In Sweden, they said that the perpetrators of the undermining of Nord Streams will be difficult to establish. This statement was made by district attorney Mats Lyngqvist, stressing that it will not be easy to find those responsible. He added that the mass of assumptions about the incident does not affect the course of the investigation, which relies on "facts and data obtained as a result of analyzes, crime scene examinations and interaction with the authorities of Sweden and other countries."

Earlier, MEP Mick Wallace pointed out that because of its loyalty to Washington, the EU has not shown any sincere interest in revealing the truth about sabotage on pipelines. Analysts, in turn, expect that the results of the investigation of pipeline explosions "will be very much filtered", since the collective West in this situation seeks to fence off the United States and discredit Russia.
It was a sophisticated operation in a heavily patrolled area of the sea only a government/military with demolitions experience/training could pull off. We just so happen to have had our forces trained as such right there, and Biden had bragged about ending the pipeline the month before. But sure, maybe it was Russia doing it, or some rogue group out of Ukraine etc. hahahaha...and Fauci is a hero.

The farcical red herring was that a sailboat had anchored in the 260 foot water to allow a private team to go blow it up. LOL.

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What's oddest of all about the piece, though, is that at no point does it single out one particular "friendly government" that has been publicly accused in Seymour Hersh's report of bombing Nord Stream: the United States. Without pointing explicitly to that subtext, the writers say:
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In the absence of concrete clues, an awkward silence has prevailed.
"It's like a corpse at a family gathering," the European diplomat said, reaching for a grim analogy. Everyone can see there's a body lying there, but pretends things are normal. "It's better not to know."
Hersh chimes in again

Hersh would add that this "better not to know" mindset affects quite a few Western news media organizations, including the Post. "No American officials were quoted, even anonymously, by the Post," he notes in a new April 5 article of his own.

"The Biden administration has become a Nord Stream-free reporting zone," he writes. "Chalk one up for the various CIA officials who have been supplying phony stories to the media here and abroad in what has been a successful effort to keep the world focused on any possible suspects outside of what has emerged as the most logical one the president of the United States."

Hersh writes that the author of one of the German reports that were published the same day as the New York Times report is Holger Stark of Die Zeit, "an experienced journalist whom I have known since he worked in Washington a decade or so ago."

Stark, Hersh says, "told me he had excellent sources in the German federal police and learned what he did from those links, and not from any intelligence agency, German or American. I believed him." But Hersh had trouble with the story those sources told to Stark.

Stark told him that officials in Germany, Sweden and Denmark had decided shortly after the September 26, 2o22, pipeline bombings "to send teams to the site to recover the one mine that has not gone off. He said they were too late; an American ship had sped to the site within a day or two and recovered the mine and other materials. I asked him why he thought the Americans had been so quick to get to the site and he answered, with a wave of his hand, 'You know what Americans are like. Always wanting to be first.'"
Says Hersh:
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There was another very obvious explanation.

The trick of a good propaganda operation is to provide the targets in this case the Western media with what they want to hear. One intelligence expert put it to me more succinctly: "When you do an operation like the pipelines, you need to plan a counter-op a red herring that has a whiff of reality. And it must be as detailed as possible to be believed."

"People today have forgotten that there is such a thing as a parody," the expert said…. "The CIA's goal in the pipeline case was to produce a parody that was so good that the press would believe it. But where to start? Cannot have the pipelines destroyed by a bomb from an airplane or sailors on a rubber boat.

"But why not a sailboat? Any serious student of the event would know that you cannot anchor a sailboat in waters that are 260 feet deep" the depth at which the four pipelines were destroyed "but the story was not aimed at him but at the press who would not know a parody when presented with one."

The CCP-Dems-WEF types running our White House wanted this big war to spike inflation/energy/food prices and cause a crisis globally in supply chains. The Nordstream explosion was a component of the war plan. That's it, it's that simple.
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Agreed. We are looking at coordinated effort in furtherance of global economic collapse.
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Gas pipeline and data cable between Finland and Estonia damaged.

Norwegian scientist says undersea explosion detected.
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Sweden and Denmark end their investigations into Nordstream.
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So what's the consensus? The US/allies did it, or some other actor?
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nortex97
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Update: The Italians have arrested one of the Ukrainian leads on this attack, apparently, and he will now be extradited for trial in Germany;



"Truly impressive." LOL.
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nortex97 said:

Update: The Italians have arrested one of the Ukrainian leads on this attack, apparently, and he will now be extradited for trial in Germany;



"Truly impressive." LOL.

Is it 1962? Why is that the picture they give us of the suspect?
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I only see this on TASS and Russian propaganda twitters. If this were actually true then it would be a bigger story.
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AndAg said:

I only see this on TASS and Russian propaganda twitters. If this were actually true then it would be a bigger story.

Italian (have to use chrome or a translator.). Ukrainian.
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In parallel with the legal proceedings, significant details are emerging regarding Sergey Kuznetsov and possible connections to other episodes . According to an investigation by the Wall Street Journal picked up by various media, the suspect is not just any civilian: Kuznetsov is a former Ukrainian soldier with the rank of captain and a past in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) ( reuters.com) . In particular, he is said to have served in the Ukrainian armed forces and then in the SBU, also participating in the defense of Kiev in the first months of the Russian invasion of 2022 ( reuters.com) . Investigative sources cited by the WSJ claim that Kuznetsov was recruited in May 2022 by a special Ukrainian unit specifically to prepare the sabotage mission on the gas pipelines ( strana.today) . He is said to have led a team of two military personnel and four civilian divers, secretly hired to place the explosives that would have destroyed the pipelines on the bottom of the Baltic ( strana.today) . In other words, Kuznetsov would have been the operational leader of the saboteur team.

These revelations paint a very sensitive picture: they suggest that Ukrainian personnel with military and intelligence experience were behind the attack , insinuating the potential involvement (at least at the fringe level) of Ukrainian institutions. The German Federal Prosecutor's Office declined to comment directly on the WSJ article ( reuters.com) , a sign that the official investigation remains confidential on these points. However, as early as 2022, German Attorney General Peter Frank (later replaced by Jens Rommel) had admitted that Germany was investigating the possible participation of Ukrainian state entities in the sabotage ( strana.today) . And in an interview with Der Spiegel in November 2023, prosecutor Jens Rommelconfirmed that two suspects had been identified (evidently Kuznetsov and at least one accomplice), adding that "the identity of other participants, the motive and in particular the possible state direction of the operation remain to be clarified " , aspects on which investigations are still ongoing ( faz.net) .

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Suspected sabotage in Italy too?
In addition to Kuznetsov's military record, possible connections to other acts of sabotage in Europe are emerging. The Genoa Public Prosecutor's Office has opened a file to determine whether the Ukrainian suspect may have played a role in the attack in the port of Savona in February 2023. On that occasion, two explosive charges were placed on the hull of the Seajewel , a Maltese-flagged tanker, while it was unloading oil in the Ligurian port.

Only by chance did the explosion not cause a massacre or an environmental disaster: the ship was carrying crude oil and was located close to the docks, in Italian territorial waters. It was therefore a potentially catastrophic act, which could have sown death and contaminated the entire coastline. The Genoese DIGOS (Special Operations Unit), already advanced at the time, suspected sabotage by pro-Ukrainian groups against an oil tanker suspected of carrying Russian crude.

It's obviously not a story CNN, NYT etc. are going to lead with. More at the first/Italian link. The funniest part of this to me is that this was the largest environmental terrorist act in history, with the amount of methane gas released, yet the Euro/Democrats want to convince their subjects they are so desperately worried about global warming.
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I'm still convinced that frogmen were involved.

I've yet to hear anyone even try to explain how a couple scuba certified folks got & properly deployed the underwater time delayed (or remote triggered) explosives, nor why they would complicate their attack in numerous ways with a blue water location when a green water option existed.
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It's fascinating to me but something I don't really expect to ever learn/confirm the 'real truth' about, tbf. Underwater demolitions, pretty big depth, international impacts, players from the US/Ukraine/Russia/Germany involved (one of the most monitored bodies of water in the world), Swedish investigation shut down, demented peepaw's predictions about its demise shortly beforehand etc.

I just think it would be fascinating to hear what this guy might say at a trial, if that happens. Still dubious it will, for obvious reasons, but we'll see. What we do know I think is that the 'story' that the Russians blew it up themselves was utter bs.

I think it will just wind up being hand waved away like the Gulf of Tonkin or USS Liberty etc. because the truth is very damning to a lot of (at least once) powerful folks. And that is that the US, and Kiev were the ones who planned and pulled it off. In terms of a 'people,' who should be more pissed off about it all, the Germans or Russians? I dunno.
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German News with the same conclusion, and a deepdive into how they figured it out.



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A German newspaper now has the full story of how the Nord Stream pipeline was blown up and why the Ukrainian government was almost certainly involved.

Here's a condensed version: A commando-style team of Ukrainian professional divers carried out the operation from a sailing boat rented in Germany, which gave them easy access to the Nord Stream site.

While the German government would have preferred to ignore the story, diligent law enforcement officials pursued the investigation and matched explosive residues found on the sailing boat with those recovered from the pipeline fragments.

The most interesting part is how they traced the perpetrators. This is where a speeding camera comes in. By sheer coincidence, it caught a car speeding with the saboteurs on their way to port. Investigators tracked the car via its registered owner and discovered who had been inside. But the names turned out to be fake. Coordinating with Polish border security, they confirmed these individuals had crossed from Ukraine. But here's the twist: The names were fake, but the passports were real, meaning that the Ukrainian government had to have been involved.

For years we were told Russia was responsible, when in fact it was Ukraine all along (which is very similar to what happened with the 2016 election interference).

If I were Trump, I'd use these stunning investigation results to apply serious leverage on Zelensky.

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Please post this on the war thread
will25u
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I looked on the first 5 pages and didn't see it. You can take it there if you would like.
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Nah that will lead to me catching a ban for fighting with those Ukraine bros over there. They love this war
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This was published in the WSJ over a year ago.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-real-story-da24839c?mod=hp_lead_pos7
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carl spacklers hat said:

This was published in the WSJ over a year ago.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-real-story-da24839c?mod=hp_lead_pos7

I have not seen it, but its just one more reason we should stay out of it.
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carl spacklers hat said:

This was published in the WSJ over a year ago.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-real-story-da24839c?mod=hp_lead_pos7


Appears to be behind a pay wall.
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German trial coming up. Turley:
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For years, some of us have questioned the official account from the Biden administration about the available evidence of those responsible.

The suggestion of a Russian attack on a Russian pipeline never seemed logical. However, the administration was funneling billions in support for Ukraine, funding that has now exceeds an estimated $180 billion. Having Ukraine sabotage pipelines to our allies would hardly be opportune when many were questioning the costs to U.S. citizens.

The Biden administration was not alone…

An Italian court did not engage in such rationalization. It ordered the extradition of Kuznietsov, believed to be a key figure in the conspiracy. The attack involved leasing a yacht in the German port of Rostock, using forged IDs and a screen of intermediaries. Kuznietsov insists that he was an army captain serving in Ukraine at the time.

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As the Germans work to find the truth, the question is whether the American public will ever be given transparency on our own government's alleged complicity or knowledge. The public was asked to pump billions into a war while the administration allegedly covered up an attack by Ukraine on a Western pipeline and then may have misled the public.

The public also has a right to know if the CIA was told in advance that this attack was coming and either gave tacit approval or said nothing to our allies.

While Johnson is often quoted on his 1929 line about truth in war, the line following was equally poignant: "this mode of propaganda whereby … people become war hungry in their patriotism and are lied into a desire to fight. We have seen it in the past; it will happen again in the future."

It may have happened in the U.S., and truth was not the only casualty. The American people were treated as chumps who could not handle the truth.

True. More at the link.
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Of course Ukraine blew up the pipeline. I'm sure we also gave them the green light. Figured that was obvious from the jump.

I guess that's what good allies do to each other though… blow up each other's crucial energy infrastructure.

The Ukraine fanboys are missing the forest through the trees.
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In Tucker's interview with Senator Ted Cruz, Cruz was pretty unequivocal and not really dodgy about his personal belief that the indications pointed to the fact that "Ukraine and some European allies" (Poland?) likely did it. He ruled out the over-contorted theory blaming it on the Russians and also ruled out that Biden's WH would have had the steel or even that great a wish to do it. They already had the war.

Also, Cruz pointed out the very real facts that Biden went out of the way to enable the Nordstream pipeline, lobbied in person to get Cruz's resumption of sanctions shot down in Jan 2022 and basically set up the circumstances to greenlight the invasion of Ukraine. So the Bidenites were always erring in the direction of enabling the pipeline, not stopping it.
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titan said:


In Tucker's interview with Senator Ted Cruz, Cruz was pretty unequivocal and not really dodgy about his personal belief that the indications pointed to the fact that "Ukraine and some European allies" (Poland?) likely did it. He ruled out the over-contorted theory blaming it on the Russians and also ruled out that Biden's WH would have had the steel or even that great a wish to do it. They already had the war.

Also, Cruz pointed out the very real facts that Biden went out of the way to enable the Nordstream pipeline, lobbied in person to get Cruz's resumption of sanctions shot down in Jan 2022 and basically set up the circumstances to greenlight the invasion of Ukraine. So the Bidenites were always erring in the direction of enabling the pipeline, not stopping it.


I'm sure the operation got the likes of Victoria Nuland and the Atlantic Council horny as hell.
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Cruz is very opinionated there (as is his habit), but also careful not to upset our IC folks. His take ignores a lot of other context though.

More;

My only point is that it seems evident in early 2022 Biden was not a fan of the pipeline, and promised it would be ended/blown up.

ETA: The two videos in early 22 (I believe) of Biden are what I meant to post, not sure how to delete the German stuff giving an award. I don't really care/know about that part, respectfully.
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Was the awarding of the Merit Award declared to be for that action?

What going by was just Cruz's take on the Biden WH and what they had already done. I don't doubt that we okayed it in the sense of saying "there is no redlight to doing so" ---- but share his doubts that we did it. Of course since we still haven't had an investigation to determine who ruled America in 21-'24 we can't be sure of the motives. As you said, if it was Nuland bunch--then yes, the odds go up.
 
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