Texas needs to redraw again. Limit the Dems to one seat to neutralize VA. Every red state needs to re-draw immediately.

fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

2040huck said:

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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Ding ding ding. This is Trump and Johnson's comeuppance for playing stupid games

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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Ding ding ding. This is Trump and Johnson's comeuppance for playing stupid games

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The war has just begun my liberal friend. Enjoy your victory.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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2040huck said:

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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Exactly the same thing. yep

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2040huck said:

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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Exactly the same thing. yep

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Read the thread.

States Rights.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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Exactly the same thing. yep

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No…WORSE. You're totally fine with disenfranchising almost half the voters in a state. A 52-46 state shouldn't have an 88% majority.

You guys are beyond pathetic.

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So you believe that each state should have representation consistent with its popular vote? I happen to agree.

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Trump had a big day. First a TACO and then a FAFO. Well done, just like his steaks.

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You're a male Democrat. In 2026.


I'd hide behind that username too if I were you.

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Weird derail. All of my male friends from A&M are democrats (or at least independent). They loathe trump. And they're all successful in business and family. Again, strange comment.

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Do you want to provide some context, or do we have to be part of your super-secret club to understand what you are talking about.

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It's literally one of the biggest topics in politics in this country. LOL.

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Well, at least 53 people appreciated me asking the question, so......

Hopefully this is the push senate needs to pass save America act.

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Hopefully this is the push senate needs to pass save America act.

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We will need real Republicans in the Senate first.

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Texas needs to redraw again. Limit the Dems to one seat to neutralize VA. Every red state needs to re-draw immediately.

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Do that, and you may end up dummymandering the state, taking safe R districts and putting them into lean R districts. The real question though is has that already happened?

None of this matters over time. We are being immigrated and bred out of control of this country. Voting rights have to require proof of life and proof of citizenship.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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Exactly the same thing. yep

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No…WORSE. You're totally fine with disenfranchising almost half the voters in a state. A 52-46 state shouldn't have an 88% majority.

You guys are beyond pathetic.

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So you believe that each state should have representation consistent with its popular vote? I happen to agree.

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It should be within the ballpark in Congress.

The Electoral College exists for a very different reason that I'm sure you still fail to grasp.

You people have no problem violating the Constitution or trying to change it when you can't win otherwise. It's quite amusing for those of us that live in reality.

There is a vast difference between disaffected rural voters (living outside of large population centers) and complete disenfranchisement of those voters as what has happened here. They will now have zero representation.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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Ding ding ding. This is Trump and Johnson's comeuppance for playing stupid games

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Both of you are massively ignorant or lying. Why not both since you are likely Democrats.

Your lies have already been proven false in this very thread.

Your posts are why we can't compromise with you anymore.

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Both of you? Nah, 1 poster and one of his socks.

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Trump had a big day. First a TACO and then a FAFO. Well done, just like his steaks.

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You're a male Democrat. In 2026.


I'd hide behind that username too if I were you.

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Weird derail. All of my male friends from A&M are democrats (or at least independent). They loathe trump. And they're all successful in business and family. Again, strange comment.

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Must be a very small group of friends, and no, they aren't successful. I'm sure your definition of that and mine are very different.

You vote for promoting mental illness and support a President violating his constitutional oath. That's insane, and nobody that's actually intelligent does that.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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How old are you? 18?

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Trump had a big day. First a TACO and then a FAFO. Well done, just like his steaks.

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You're a male Democrat. In 2026.


I'd hide behind that username too if I were you.

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Weird derail. All of my male friends from A&M are democrats (or at least independent). They loathe trump. And they're all successful in business and family. Again, strange comment.

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Successful in business and family yet you support open borders and mutilation of children's sexual organs. Be proud.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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The term Gerrymander predates the existence of the Republican party.

Maybe instead of FAFO, you should try RLFO - Read a Little and Find Out.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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Stop lying, I already debunked this.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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The amount of cognitive dissonance one must possess to not connect very easy dots from redistricting Texas because its not fair to this Virginia election just bottles the mind. I'm on team stop gerrymandering and draw nonpartisan maps and let the chips fall.

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Texas needs to redraw again. Limit the Dems to one seat to neutralize VA. Every red state needs to re-draw immediately.

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Do that, and you may end up dummymandering the state, taking safe R districts and putting them into lean R districts. The real question though is has that already happened?

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You carve up the blue city centers. Have you seen the new VA map? 5 different districts include a northern section that's like a 5 mile radius.

Carve up Houston and Dallas and San Antonio like wise. Inside 610 in Houston gets carved up! No more Dem reps.

Even more exaggerated that this to get your numbers.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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The amount of cognitive dissonance one must possess to not connect very easy dots from redistricting Texas because its not fair to this Virginia election just bottles the mind. I'm on team stop gerrymandering and draw nonpartisan maps and let the chips fall.

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And bottling the mind of a liberal isn't easy. Discovery is the hard part.

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fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

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No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

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The amount of cognitive dissonance one must possess to not connect very easy dots from redistricting Texas because its not fair to this Virginia election just bottles the mind. I'm on team stop gerrymandering and draw nonpartisan maps and let the chips fall.

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Sucks but we are in a Prisoner's Dilemma.

The point is still the same. In 2021esque blowout election (Youngkin) these new districts could completely screw over the democrats when the suburbs shift wildly to Republicans. Similarly Texas's redistricting doesn't actually seem like a good idea given the current shift away from republicans. Gerrymandering assumes that very fluid situations remain static and that hasn't held for any election ever.

Power Politics at its rawness, this is how some of the sausage is made.

I don't think states should be doing these gerrymanders that totally take away representation of the true electorate.

BUT(And I just looked it up to verify), SCOTUS has ruled that partisan gerrymanders are a political questions that federal courts cannot resolve, thus deferring to state legislatures.

If the Republicans can finally grow a spine, the Democrats will lose the redistricting race.

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According to simulations run by FiveThirtyEight's "Atlas of Redistricting" projectwhich modeled this exact scenario of a nationwide partisan gerrymandering arms racethe resulting 435-seat House map would look roughly like this:

Republicans: ~262 seats

Democrats: ~173 seats

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Republicans also have low-hanging fruit when it comes to redistricting. Because Democratic voters are heavily clustered in urban areas, mapmakers can easily pack them into a small number of deep-blue districts, essentially wasting their surplus votes outside the urban centers.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can't get past the legality of the question posed on the ballot measure. That goes beyond a political maneuver for gerrymandering right?

Sorry to be a little pedantic but this isn't necessarily accurate. In suburban districts and a state like Massachusetts is a good example of this, Republicans and Democrats are fairly randomly distributed by household and are not clumped together. In these cases you can't draw a partisan map because that would rely on having a household by household map and even in 60-40 split state you can still end up with a 100% one-party controlled map and have fairly drawn lines.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I can't get past the legality of the question posed on the ballot measure. That goes beyond a political maneuver for gerrymandering right?

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Unfortunately, not really. Really have to screw up the wording to have a court overturn solely on that basis. (Outside of the 9th Circuit at least.)