aggiehawg said:

---

JDUB08AG said:

---

I'm not a lawyer, but I can't get past the legality of the question posed on the ballot measure. That goes beyond a political maneuver for gerrymandering right?

---

Unfortunately, not really. Really have to screw up the wording to have a court overturn solely on that basis. (Outside of the 9th Circuit at least.)

---

Ok thanks. The wording was absolutely wild to me. Unreal.

2040huck said:

---

fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

---

SCOTUS is likely a week away from gutting the voting rights act. I don't think you're going to like the FAFO redistricting that comes from that

Could some Democrat please explain to me how disenfranchising over 49% of Virginia voters "restores fairness"?

doubledog said:

---

Could some Democrat please explain to me how disenfranchising over 49% of Virginia voters "restores fairness"?

---

"Means to an end", "Started a conversation", "Republicans did it first" (they didn't).

Gerrymandering and the electoral college both need to go away. Good job by the Commonwealth to put the measure up to vote versus Texas GOP just doing it. Both are piles of ****, but at least VA lets their citizens choose to eat it versus TX cramming it into our mouths.

doubledog said:

---

Could some Democrat please explain to me how disenfranchising over 49% of Virginia voters "restores fairness"?

---

"Because Republicans started it!" seems to be the only excuse they can come up with.

swc93 said:

---

Gerrymandering and the electoral college both need to go away. Good job by the Commonwealth to put the measure up to vote versus Texas GOP just doing it. Both are piles of ****, but at least VA lets their citizens choose to eat it versus TX cramming it into our mouths.

---

Yeah….ok buddy.

swc93 said:

---

Gerrymandering and the electoral college both need to go away. Good job by the Commonwealth to put the measure up to vote versus Texas GOP just doing it. Both are piles of ****, but at least VA lets their citizens choose to eat it versus TX cramming it into our mouths.

---

Getting rid of the EC would be monumentally stupid. It's in place for a reason. Educate yourself.

I would be fine if gerrymandering went away but democrats would never allow it.

Gigem314 said:

---

swc93 said:

---

Gerrymandering and the electoral college both need to go away. Good job by the Commonwealth to put the measure up to vote versus Texas GOP just doing it. Both are piles of ****, but at least VA lets their citizens choose to eat it versus TX cramming it into our mouths.

---

Funny how people like you were silent as California and NY democrats were doing this for YEARS to help gain super majorities in their states but only started to care once Texas started doing it.

---

Democrats are always projecting, lying, and gaslighting.

Always.

doubledog said:

---

Could some Democrat please explain to me how disenfranchising over 49% of Virginia voters "restores fairness"?

---

Is anyone claiming that gerrymandering is fair? Of course it isn't. Just calling it like I see it, but to paint with a broad f16 brush when team red gerrymanders, it is to make sure that men of integrity can restore the republic to its ultimate glory and serve as a bulwark against the evil depravity of the left, and when team blue gerrymanders it is further proof of their evil intentions and unacceptable unethical behavior.

Malibu said:

---

doubledog said:

---

Could some Democrat please explain to me how disenfranchising over 49% of Virginia voters "restores fairness"?

---

Is anyone claiming that gerrymandering is fair? Of course it isn't. Just calling it like I see it, but to paint with a broad f16 brush when team red gerrymanders, it is to make sure that men of integrity can restore the republic to its ultimate glory and serve as a bulwark against the evil depravity of the left, and when team blue gerrymanders it is further proof of their evil intentions and unacceptable unethical behavior.

---

Nah. When republicans are doing it, it's simply rearguard action to try and stave off the loss they already took in this war.

See my response to GA06 on page 5. That's the reality Texas was responding to. If Texas goes, the country is lost forever. It's the final bulwark against permanent far left wingers running everything.

When we do it it's for good reasons.

Malibu said:

---

When we do it it's for good reasons.

---

Prisoners Dilemma like I already said. Delaying full blown Marxism and all of the oppression and violence it comes with is a good enough reason for me.

But I guess we disagree on that one.

Quote:

---

Funny how people like you were silent as California and NY democrats were doing this for YEARS to help gain super majorities in their states but only started to care once Texas started doing it.

---

I don't know why anyone tries to play the victim in this. I can remember clearly the Rick Perry redistricting of 2003 where all the Dem state legislators were sleeping in hotels in Ardmore, Oklahoma to try to stall the bill. They flew to New Mexico in second instance.

There was another round in 2010 that was litigated back and forth until 2018.

No one has ever been silent and both parties have been doing this since the dawn of the Republic all o ver the country.

Windy City Ag said:

---

Quote:

---

Funny how people like you were silent as California and NY democrats were doing this for YEARS to help gain super majorities in their states but only started to care once Texas started doing it.

---

I don't know why anyone tries to play the victim in this. I can remember clearly the Rick Perry redistricting of 2003 where all the Dem state legislators were sleeping in hotels in Ardmore, Oklahoma to try to stall the bill. They flew to New Mexico in second instance.

There was another round in 2010 that was litigated back and forth until 2018.

No one has ever been silent and both parties have been doing this since the dawn of the Republic all o ver the country.

---

Dem legislators run and hide from everything, that isn't a new development.

I just find it amusing that Dem voters on this thread want to play the victim card by pretending like it was Republicans, Trump, or the State of Texas who started all of this. That isn't even remotely true.

Malibu said:

---

When we do it it's for good reasons.

---

I mean, if I were a politician looking to pad my retirement account I'm sure it would be tempting to consider those good reasons as well.

Jack Boyette said:

---

2040huck said:

---

Jack Boyette said:

---

2040huck said:

---

Jack Boyette said:

---

2040huck said:

---

fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff

---

No they didn't, and those who keep saying this prove they're just as uninformed as we already knew they were, which is why they vote for a party that celebrates mental illness and not enforcing our laws at the expense of Americans.

The best part is that it proves that for Dems, the ends ALWAYS justify the means. They were calling out Republicans for this, calling it a "blight on democracy." And yet, their response is to DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUT WORSE.

---

Exactly the same thing. yep

---

No…WORSE. You're totally fine with disenfranchising almost half the voters in a state. A 52-46 state shouldn't have an 88% majority.

You guys are beyond pathetic.

---

So you believe that each state should have representation consistent with its popular vote? I happen to agree.

---

It should be within the ballpark in Congress.

The Electoral College exists for a very different reason that I'm sure you still fail to grasp.

You people have no problem violating the Constitution or trying to change it when you can't win otherwise. It's quite amusing for those of us that live in reality.

---

Is Texas "within the ballpark"? If so, why the move to change it?

Spicer is right. Lets; go.

Quote:

---

Instead of complaining about how they phrase things, get out there and do the same damn thing! Our side needs to stop crying and start fighting!

---

SEAN SPICER: Stop whining about how the Democrats worded the amendment in Virginia. Of course they did. They know what's at stake, and they'll do anything to win.

Instead of complaining about how they phrase things, get out there and do the same damn thing! Our side needs to… pic.twitter.com/Obq7xFRBxE

— Bannon’s WarRoom (@Bannons_WarRoom) April 22, 2026

YouBet said:

---

Gigem314 said:

---

swc93 said:

---

Gerrymandering and the electoral college both need to go away. Good job by the Commonwealth to put the measure up to vote versus Texas GOP just doing it. Both are piles of ****, but at least VA lets their citizens choose to eat it versus TX cramming it into our mouths.

---

Funny how people like you were silent as California and NY democrats were doing this for YEARS to help gain super majorities in their states but only started to care once Texas started doing it.

---

Democrats are always projecting, lying, and gaslighting.

Always.

---

"Midcycle redistricting efforts like the ones in Texas and California have, up to now, been extremely uncommon. Since 1970, only two states Texas in 2003 and this year, and Georgia in 2005 have voluntarily redrawn their congressional maps between censuses for partisan advantage, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis."

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/28/redistricting-between-censuses-has-been-rare-in-the-modern-era/

Logos Stick said:

---

Malibu said:

---

When we do it it's for good reasons.

---

New England has a total of 21 U.S. House seats, distributed as follows: Massachusetts has 9, Connecticut has 5, Maine has 2, New Hampshire has 2, Rhode Island has 2, and Vermont has 1.

State Trump %
-----------------------------
Connecticut ................~41%
Maine..........................~46%
Massachusetts............~37%
New Hampshire......... ~48%
Rhode Island..............~41%
Vermont......................~33%


Now a single House seat is R in those states!

GTFO with the liberal high horse and "'Texas did it first!" BS.

---

You are confusing which high horse I am sitting on. I'm calling BS on everybody who's doing gerrymandering, And especially those who justify it when their side does it and vilify it when the other side does it. My high horse position is both sides are stupid and stop gerrymandering.

And as a pendantic follow-up, your New England example is a bad one. It makes a bad assumption that in a perfect non gerrymandered electoral map the districts should fall roughly evenly to the voter distribution. Let me make the example rural Texas because I think that example will make you less angry than if I make it evil New England liberals. If somebody made a Justifiable decision that they should clump rural parts of the state as their own districts because they probably have similar ag interests, even those districts will have 20% democrat voters. It doesn't therefore follow that rural Texas districts will have 20% representation by democrats, because those democrats are evenly dispersed in the population and it would be a very obvious gerrymandering hatchet job to try to find which households vote democrat and put them in an district so that 20% of the rural Texas voters are represented by democrats, as per the vote percentages. The same phenomena exists across New England. It's fairly impossible to have a conservative district without gerrymandering.

Logos Stick said:

---

Malibu said:

---

When we do it it's for good reasons.

---

New England has a total of 21 U.S. House seats, distributed as follows: Massachusetts has 9, Connecticut has 5, Maine has 2, New Hampshire has 2, Rhode Island has 2, and Vermont has 1.

State Trump %
-----------------------------
Connecticut ................~41%
Maine..........................~46%
Massachusetts............~37%
New Hampshire......... ~48%
Rhode Island..............~41%
Vermont......................~33%


Now a single House seat is R in those states!

GTFO with the liberal high horse and "'Texas did it first!" BS.

---

For comparison's sake, let's take a look at the states in the 8th Circuit, Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota. 29 U.S. House seats: Missouri 8, Minnesota 8, Arkansas 4, Iowa 4, Nebraska 3, North Dakota 1, South Dakota 1.

State Harris%
Arkansas 33%
Iowa 42%
Minnesota 50%
Missouri 40%
Nebraska 38%
North Dakota 30%
South Dakota 34%

Of those 29 seats, there are 6 Dem seats, 4 in Minnesota, and 2 in Missouri.

Both sides suck with gerrymandering.

The challenge with creating more 'slightly my team' districts at the expense of 'safe' districts is that sometimes/often it doesn't turn out the way one expects.

This is pretty amazing

Democrats leaned so heavily on Fairfax to drive the entire referendum, but Republicans actually drove enough turnout to win 3 of the new districts, got “The Lobster” within 0.3, and 2 others blue districts within 5. https://t.co/qvJBLDMO7h

— Matt Whitlock (@MattWhitlock) April 22, 2026

We'll just have to see. Maybe all of this was about 2 seats, instead of 4. Florida alone can now negate this, and then some imho;

Florida has the easiest argument in the country to redraw. Florida was R+2 when they passed their map now the state is R+14

The constitution requires ZERO regard for protecting Dem incumbents. The legislature is supposed to cruelly draw a new map to match the new partisanship https://t.co/ONmYDyH9VU

— Latinx Adjacent Doctor PhD (@TonerousHyus) April 22, 2026

Add, if our state House wasn't run by Democrats, we probably could come close to this (but it would be iffy);

If Virginia, a purple swing state, can pass a 10-1 Democrat map then Texas, a dark red state, can pass a 38-0 Republican map. https://t.co/wGRgth28u4

— Braeden (@BraedenSorbo) April 22, 2026

The MSM tears would be hilarious though, just to debate doing it, if the VRA is struck down (although Texas no longer needs pre-clearance with DoJ in any case).

swc93 said:

---

YouBet said:

---

Gigem314 said:

---

swc93 said:

---

Gerrymandering and the electoral college both need to go away. Good job by the Commonwealth to put the measure up to vote versus Texas GOP just doing it. Both are piles of ****, but at least VA lets their citizens choose to eat it versus TX cramming it into our mouths.

---

Funny how people like you were silent as California and NY democrats were doing this for YEARS to help gain super majorities in their states but only started to care once Texas started doing it.

---

Democrats are always projecting, lying, and gaslighting.

Always.

---

"Midcycle redistricting efforts like the ones in Texas and California have, up to now, been extremely uncommon. Since 1970, only two states Texas in 2003 and this year, and Georgia in 2005 have voluntarily redrawn their congressional maps between censuses for partisan advantage, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis."

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/28/redistricting-between-censuses-has-been-rare-in-the-modern-era/

---

Again, see this post on page 5: Good Luck today Virginia! - Page 5 | TexAgs

Watching the GOPe leadership is like watching the Dallas Cowboys under Jerry Jones. Its all about and image, but actual accomplishments are zero. Yet, brain dead fans (voters) think it will be different this year.

What sucks about the GOPe is the Stockholm Syndrome that their beta males and ridiculous females work under. The Marxist Democrats aren't ever going to look at them as anything more than helpful idiots, using them to show how they made them change to their side. See Bush, McCain, Romney, McConnell, Rand Paul, and John Thune.

JWinTX said:

---

Watching the GOPe leadership is like watching the Dallas Cowboys under Jerry Jones. I all about and image, but actual accomplishments are zero. Yet, brain dead fans (voters) think it will be different this year.

What sucks about the GOPe is the Stockholm Syndrome that their beta males and ridiculous females work under. The Marxist Democrats aren't ever going to look at them as anything more than helpful idiots, using them to show how they made them change to their side. See Bush, McCain, Romney, McConnell, Rand Paul, and John Thune.

---

"It worked, didn't it?" [/laughs at rest of us] - Harry Reid

Demographics is destiny

White majority areas of Virginia were the only race that voted NO on the redistricting…

Black, Hispanic, and Asian voted YES by a lot. pic.twitter.com/7H9x76nFlu

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) April 22, 2026

swc93 said:

---

Gerrymandering and the electoral college both need to go away. Good job by the Commonwealth to put the measure up to vote versus Texas GOP just doing it. Both are piles of ****, but at least VA lets their citizens choose to eat it versus TX cramming it into our mouths.

---

VA HAD to put it to a vote. They passed a law prior to this that stated that an independent commission would do redistricting. Their legislature couldn't just change the law - it had to be a constitutional amendment.

They were not being altruistic...

swc93 said:

---

the electoral college ... need(s) to go away.

---

No.

It would take a constitutional amendment, it is good for federalism, and a foundational cornerstone of the union.

So, just, no.

Malibu said:

---

When we do it it's for good reasons.

---

Like letting populations in big cities rule the states and they all have their hands out for freebies!
Sorry, but some folks wouldn't mind feeding the really down and out, but those on perpetual free ride because of their voting ? Nope.