***WCF*** Spurs vs OKC

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Guitarsoup
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3:26p, 5/22/12
AG
I think the Thunder's defense is slightly overrated. They were actually slightly worse than the Spurs as far as PPG in the regular season. They gave up about 2.5 more offensive rebounds per game than the Spurs did.


Another thing to note is that despite them having All-Star PG Russell Westbrook and good passers with Harden and Durant - OKC was LAST in the NBA in assists. The Spurs were 4th. 1-on-1 basketball doesn't work against SA. You have to be able to run set plays and move the ball. Even the Lakers in a new offense with no point guard had 250 more assists than the Thunder.

Oklahoma City was also WORST in the league at turning the ball over. The Spurs were the 3rd best in the league in NOT turning it over.
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Simplebay
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4:18p, 5/22/12
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Hard to get assists when you are out in front of the other team dunking.

OKC is top 5 in fastbreak points, fastbreak efficiency, and defensive rebounding

as well as #1 in the league in BPG, block %, shooting efficiency and free throw efficiency.
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4:27p, 5/22/12
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Hard to get assists when you are out in front of the other team dunking.

Isn't that how Chris Paul gets half his assists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBy661Lo9tE&feature=fvst

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OKC is top 5 in fastbreak points, fastbreak efficiency, and defensive rebounding
as well as #1 in the league in BPG, block %, shooting efficiency and free throw efficiency.

Sorry little man. Spurs at 1st in Defensive Rebounding % while OKC is 23rd. Spurs were 1st in eFG%, and OKC was 2nd.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html


The Spurs also led the league in 3-point shooting at .393 while OKC shot just .358. The Spurs were first in FG% at .478. The Spurs were 3rd in turnovers (and had 200 less turnovers than the Thunder.) The Spurs were also 4th in assists.

[This message has been edited by Guitarsoup (edited 5/22/2012 3:33p).]
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Ulrich
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4:29p, 5/22/12
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Hard to get assists when you are out in front of the other team dunking.

OKC is top 5 in fastbreak points, fastbreak efficiency, and defensive rebounding

as well as #1 in the league in BPG, block %, shooting efficiency and free throw efficiency.

OKC has what, one more made fast break basket per game than the average team? Not sure that is tanking their assist numbers. That's the only stat you listed that impacts their number of assists.

They do convert the shots at a high rate as shown by offensive efficiency, but so did the Clippers, who were 4th in scoring efficiency. Incidentally, the site I looked at showed OKC second in offensive efficiency behind SA.
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Ulrich
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4:33p, 5/22/12
A quick analysis shows that fastbreak scoring and assist numbers have a slight positive correlation. That's right, more fastbreak points means slightly more team assists.
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Ulrich
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4:41p, 5/22/12
That was a really impressive amount of wrong in one post, Simplebay. Nowhere close to your record, but still pretty good.
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Phil Rirruto
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4:47p, 5/22/12
I would guess 95% of fast break FGs are assisted. OKC has so few assists because they shoot jumpers off the dribble and the pass button on Westbrook's controller is broken.
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4:59p, 5/22/12
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Those fast breaks are really killing the OKC assist numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbRijQgkY5E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHWFGwUiewI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp4hvpaxfww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ87Y7qGhpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-1PRz9NUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIkkEikBmA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOTkpy-uE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGIDSDlzNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNHMEtj4UWU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8wtVkZ7rQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3ZLEH9m1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6u1Dz_4MvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-2zrujlvAc

Tell me again how much you understand the game of basketball. And how the Lakers should overtake the Spurs by Wednesday.

[This message has been edited by Guitarsoup (edited 5/22/2012 4:02p).]
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tbirdspur2010
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5:04p, 5/22/12
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And how the Lakers should overtake the Spurs by Wednesday.


Gold. Every. Single. Time.
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tmaggie50
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5:20p, 5/22/12
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Some solid arguments going around.

People have noted the spurs turnovers and I think that has been a definite issue when it comes to close games or when the games become high energy and the roll players are touching the ball.

The roll players have seemed the get slightly rattled in tenclose games. I've seen several stupid turnovers, a few horrid shots and mistakes.

Id also agree that the way to beat OKC is by stopping Westbrook and getting in his head. Ginobli would be perfect for annoying the he** out of him.
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Ulrich
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5:21p, 5/22/12
Ginobili should have no problem getting in the head of a player that emotional.
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Simplebay
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5:33p, 5/22/12
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Assists are the reason the spurs will win. Sure

Even though the thunder have probably 3 of the 5 best one-on-one can create their own shot players in the league.

Who needs assists when you can score the ball at will
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5:34p, 5/22/12
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Who needs assists when you can score the ball at will

Thats right. They were great at scoring this year. Right behind the Spurs as I recall. The Spurs, though, were the best in the ****ing NBA at scoring while the Thunder were the best at turning the ball over. So there is that.
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6:29p, 5/22/12
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Sunday can't get here fast enough.
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7:06p, 5/22/12
i'm going to have to avoid this thread for the series
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7:30p, 5/22/12
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Thunder are the first team in 40 years to eliminate the previous 2 defending champs in the same postseason.

Yeahhh the Spurs will easily dispatch then in 5 games because the thunder average a whole 4 assists per game less than the spurs.
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Goodnight Irene
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7:50p, 5/22/12
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seriously simple, we know you hate the spurs and think every team will beat them while not directly saying so.

your trolls are highly amusing, and I hope you keep them up, because all the spurs have done since you boldly predicted the lakers would pass them is win a lot of games.

I hope your **** talking continues all the way through a spurs championship because I can't wait to see you do your best Phil Jackson impression discounting the spurs yet again.

thanks for breaking up the monotony of an 18 game win streak!
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7:59p, 5/22/12
AG
Already got my shortened season * ready to go.
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8:01p, 5/22/12
AG
Remember that time you told me that the Thunder have less assists because they make all their baskets in transition? That was HILARIOUS!

Or that time you said the Lakers would pass the Spurs? Stop, stop. You're killing me.
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10:43p, 5/22/12
the thunder are sure to bury the spurs in jump shots a couple games, but the kind of shots s.a. will get should win out by the end of the series...unless the thunder cant miss four straight games ala the suns a couple years back
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Ulrich
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11:55p, 5/22/12
If I remember right, the Suns beat the Spurs because they outhustled and outrebounded the Spurs.

There are no excuses for that series.
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11:59p, 5/22/12
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I thought it was because Jeff was too busy blowing goats to play basketball.
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7:29a, 5/23/12
AG
I think this will be a great series and obviously OKC has a great team but i don't see how any Spurs fan can be worried after watching them play for the last month. This is probably the best Spurs team we have seen. Tony is having the best year of his career. Timmy looks like the All-Star he has always been. Manu is healthy. Leonard and Green are young and unphased by the playoffs. Diaw has stepped in and filled a need contributing as a versatile big man. The bench is strong and reliable. They have the experience, the coach and the desire. It's their time!
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9:25a, 5/23/12
Spurs in 5, Go Spurs Go!
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Ulrich
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9:30a, 5/23/12
This guy is going to game 1.
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10:38a, 5/23/12
Jesus, and Spurs fans wonder why people don't like them. Staying humble is not in their vocabulary.

Look, we know, the Spurs are playing lights out basketball. But this whole "OKC finally gets to play a good team" stuff is rich. You don't think OKC is better than Utah or the Clippers?

That said, my non-hedging prediction is Spurs in 6. I just hope OKC keeps them close.

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Ulrich
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10:40a, 5/23/12
I would be interested in seeing what post(s) are giving you that impression, Pahdz.

EDIT: I just skimmed over the last couple pages, and every comment from Spurs fans is something like "the Thunder scare me" or "the Thunder are a great team but I think the Spurs will win in 6" or "it's going to be a great series".

Obviously everyone went after Simplebay, but don't mistake refuting Simple's epic wrongness for a lack of respect for the Thunder.

[This message has been edited by Ulrich (edited 5/23/2012 9:45a).]
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10:45a, 5/23/12
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This guy is going to game 1.


So is this guy!
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TheDino
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12:32p, 5/23/12
AG
Pahdz, stop it.

The majority of Spurs fans in here are pretty weary of the series. This is because OKC is scary.

I think the Spurs will win the series. Yes, I am a homer. But if they execute like we've seen them do, I think they advance.
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12:32p, 5/23/12
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If he can make the Thunder pay for playing him straight up or pass out of double teams, it's gg OKC.


They didn't double Bynum, so I see no reason why they'll double Duncan.

And Ulrich, maybe it's just from reading all of Guitarsoup's posts, where he seems to go out of his way to discredit any compliment to the Thunder by posting some stat where the Spurs are better. (also, this may have just been to thwart Simpleton)

[This message has been edited by Pahdz (edited 5/23/2012 11:33a).]
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12:35p, 5/23/12
AG
Pahdz, you gotta understand that around simplebay, spurs fans assume a slightly more cocky demeanor. It's almost like simplebay is a spurs fan in disguise. He points out so many "flaws/weaknesses" with the spurs that in reality end up being strengths, it gets to our heads a little. On this page of this thread alone, he's been wrong on about 10 things.

I think in the spirit of honest and pleasant discourse, it's completely fair to say this series will be the toughest the Spurs play. This entire season, the Thunder played as one of the three best teams in the league. They have three of the best young players in the league. They are damn good. Can't take beating a team like them for granted. I think the Spurs do win in 6, but I wouldn't be that surprised to see the thunder take the series.
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12:36p, 5/23/12
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I think OKC is the second best team in the NBA right now and we will see a very close and hardly fought 7-game series.

[This message has been edited by Guitarsoup (edited 5/23/2012 11:53a).]
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Ulrich
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12:44p, 5/23/12
It's no news that Simplebay ruins threads. As a Spurs fan, you get used to it.


There are three teams I was worried about this season: Chicago, LA, and the Thunder. Obviously Chicago lost Rose and the Lakers lost their mojo (based on the 7-gamer with the Nuggets). That leaves the Thunder. They have great individual players who fit their roles well and enough youth that they may not need as much depth as most teams would against the Spurs. They are my second favorite team, both as a rooting interest and to win the title this year.


EDIT: for counting

[This message has been edited by Ulrich (edited 5/23/2012 1:30p).]
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1:10p, 5/23/12
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The majority of Spurs fans in here are pretty weary of the series. This is because OKC is scary.


And the Thunder fans are pretty wary of the series as well - the Spurs are scary.

You won't find any overconfidence by Thunder fans or OK media - including the Sports Animals, all local TV outlets, and the OKC and Tulsa newspapers.


[This message has been edited by NormanAg (edited 5/23/2012 12:10p).]
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