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2013-14 San Antonio Spurs thread
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Last: 11 yr ago by Sher Thing
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Joseph is 10x the defender patty is. If you don't realize that you aren't paying attention or have some sort of bias.
Joseph's defense is overrated. He gives a lot of visible effort, but he's always drifting out of position and getting picked off on screens. He is better now than he was as a rookie, but advanced statistics still say he's the 3rd worst Spurs defender (after Parker and Belli). Watching the two play, Mills appears to be the more effective defender, and he's far more versatile and skilled on offense (although Joseph shows flashes from time to time).
I agree that Mills won't be getting all these steals in the playoffs, but I hate to think of Joseph flailing around against a playoff-caliber offense.
[This message has been edited by Ulrich (edited 3/24/2014 11:49p).]
I am not advocating for Joseph to play in the playoffs. I am definitely pro-patty but Joseph is by far the more capable defender out of the two. He is one of the best one on one defenders in a Spurs uniform. Saying that, it still doesn't make up for how much of a liability he is offensively. If you think Patty is a better defender than Joseph than I'm not sure what to tell you because it's not true. The playoffs will be a big test for Patty and well see if he's up for it. Were going to need him to be and that's one of the few question marks for the Spurs heading into the post-season. Not sure if Patty can continue to play like he is when the intensity turns up, the game becomes a lot more physical and slows down. He won't be getting as many open looks and will have to defend without fouling.
The reason Pop has gone with Joseph in the past is because he's a solid defender who rarely makes mistakes. The Spurs need more out of that position these days though.
[This message has been edited by Sher Thing (edited 3/25/2014 10:29a).]
The reason Pop has gone with Joseph in the past is because he's a solid defender who rarely makes mistakes. The Spurs need more out of that position these days though.
[This message has been edited by Sher Thing (edited 3/25/2014 10:29a).]
Joseph still makes plenty of mistakes, which is why Patty Mills has locked down the backup PG spot even though Joseph's offense has improved and Belli and Manu can both handle the ball on offense to help him out. Mills is better on both ends. Joseph is not bouncing back and forth between the Toros and Spurs anymore, but his mpg have actually decreased. He's an insurance policy on the backup PG spot, nothing more.
Lol what. Where did I say he was anything more than that. Your way off topic now.
Joseph is a better defender than Mills. That's the only point I have made. Patty is the better basketball player and his improvement from horrible defender to below average defender has resulted in an increase in playing time for him. He isn't close to the one on one defender Joseph is. It's not even a debate.
Joseph is a better defender than Mills. That's the only point I have made. Patty is the better basketball player and his improvement from horrible defender to below average defender has resulted in an increase in playing time for him. He isn't close to the one on one defender Joseph is. It's not even a debate.
@quixem: Hollinger title odds:
1. Spurs: 29.1%
2. Clippers: 20.5%
3. Rockets: 10.6%
4. Heat: 9.9%
5. Thunder: 7.6%
1. Spurs: 29.1%
2. Clippers: 20.5%
3. Rockets: 10.6%
4. Heat: 9.9%
5. Thunder: 7.6%
Anyone with ESPN Insider read today's Per Diem?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10669856/nba-debating-san-antonio-spurs-nba-best-team
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10669856/nba-debating-san-antonio-spurs-nba-best-team
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@quixem: Hollinger title odds:
1. Spurs: 29.1%
2. Clippers: 20.5%
3. Rockets: 10.6%
4. Heat: 9.9%
5. Thunder: 7.6%
The title odds fluctuate so much. Every year for a solid month or more the Spurs are at the top by a ridiculous amount and then it tapers off closer to the playoffs iirc.
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Joseph is a better defender than Mills. That's the only point I have made. Patty is the better basketball player and his improvement from horrible defender to below average defender has resulted in an increase in playing time for him. He isn't close to the one on one defender Joseph is. It's not even a debate.
This year, it absolutely is a debate as to which is the better defender. Last year it was not, but this year it is. I give Mills an edge because he doesn't drift and look away as often. Maybe Joseph has better tools and maybe not, but he has always gotten more credit for defense than he deserves. Meanwhile, Mills has been improving his game faster.
If Joseph were really a great defender (and by year three, he should be), he would be more than a bottom of the roster guy because the Spurs have plenty of ways to hide him on offense. He would probably also not have one of the worst DRtgs on the team, although that stat is admittedly not great for a player who gets sporadic minutes in odd lineups.
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Anyone with ESPN Insider read today's Per Diem?
Yes.
Kevin Pelton likes the Spurs odds.
TOm Haberstroh sees them as unlikely.
I'm not sure how much of a debate it is. Pelton is basically saying he thinks their the best pick of a tough field. Haberstroh is basically arguing the field, which isn't really that much different.
I can post some more if you want more details of their point-counterpoint.
I know you aren't supposed to directly copy and paste so I threw in some high quality NFL QBs in there. Ignore those names.
Kevin Pelton: The Spurs were my pick (and SCHOENE's) to win the championship in the preseason Kenny Stabler. Since then, they have overcome injuries and self-imposed minutes restrictions to post the NBA's best point differential. Dan Pastorini Thanks to a 14-game winning streak, they are a heavy favorite to claim home-court advantage throughout the postseason Warren Moon. And lest we forget, they were a rebound away from a championship in June despite having to start the NBA Finals on the road. Gifford Nielsen
So why exactly should I pick anyone but the Spurs to raise the banner this time around? Lynn Dickey
Let me know if you want more, or better QBs.
[This message has been edited by Iowaggie (edited 3/25/2014 1:34p).]
I never said Joseph was a great defender... He's an average defender. Patty is a poor defender.
Patty spending time in the weight room this off-season has been the main difference between years past. He's no longer being able to be thrown around like a rag doll but he will still have his problems come playoff time, especially against bigger guards. Expecting him to play good defense throughout the playoffs would be like expecting Neal to play great defense. They are virtually the same player. Patty gives great effort on both sides of the ball which is all you can ask for but he's a very poor defender overall. I know everyone loves Patty, including myself, and people are always quick to defend him but no, he's not a good defender. Sorry.
[This message has been edited by Sher Thing (edited 3/25/2014 1:34p).]
Patty spending time in the weight room this off-season has been the main difference between years past. He's no longer being able to be thrown around like a rag doll but he will still have his problems come playoff time, especially against bigger guards. Expecting him to play good defense throughout the playoffs would be like expecting Neal to play great defense. They are virtually the same player. Patty gives great effort on both sides of the ball which is all you can ask for but he's a very poor defender overall. I know everyone loves Patty, including myself, and people are always quick to defend him but no, he's not a good defender. Sorry.
[This message has been edited by Sher Thing (edited 3/25/2014 1:34p).]
Mills is (now) a mediocre defender. So is Joseph. Neal was an atrocious defender.
I like the random QBs.
Lol Iowa, thanks. I figured it was something along those lines but you never know with ESPN.
No Aikmen loses points. Good on Warren Moon though.
No Aikmen loses points. Good on Warren Moon though.
The rest is in the James Dickey thread.
In between trying to recognize some of the more obscure QBs you listed, basically one guys says the Spurs are better and deeper than last year and OKC isn't as good as it was a couple years ago. The other guy says the Spurs are too old and Durant and Westbrook are too much. Same ol, same ol that we always hear.
The Spurs have been too old since 2009. Apparently they don't read the articles though.
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Nice that the Mavs beat OKC tonight. Would love to play the Mavs in the first round and we are now 3 games up on OKC for the #1 seed.
Every word of this. Fantastic development last night if you're a Spurs fan.
Remaining Games:
3/26 - Denver
3/28 - @Denver
3/29 - NOLA
3/31 - @Indiana
4/2 - GS
4/3 - @OKC
4/6 - Memphis
4/8 - @Minn
4/10 - @Dallas
4/11 - Phoenix
4/14 - @Houston
4/16 - Lakers
What losses do you see from the remaining schedule? @Denver and @OKC look like prime candidates. OKC being the tail end of a back to back with the Warriors prior and Friday @Denver because the Pelicans are the next day.
Pop could rest our guys Friday. If he doesn't then we know he'll rest them Saturday so maybe a win @Denver and then a loss to NOLA. Same goes for GS/OKC & Dallas/Phoenix back to backs, it all depends on which way he rests.
There is also the possibility that Pop just shuts it all down with 5 or more games left and we are without Manu, Tim and Tony (maybe even Kawhi).
[This message has been edited by Ganondorf (edited 3/26/2014 11:22a).]
3/26 - Denver
3/28 - @Denver
3/29 - NOLA
3/31 - @Indiana
4/2 - GS
4/3 - @OKC
4/6 - Memphis
4/8 - @Minn
4/10 - @Dallas
4/11 - Phoenix
4/14 - @Houston
4/16 - Lakers
What losses do you see from the remaining schedule? @Denver and @OKC look like prime candidates. OKC being the tail end of a back to back with the Warriors prior and Friday @Denver because the Pelicans are the next day.
Pop could rest our guys Friday. If he doesn't then we know he'll rest them Saturday so maybe a win @Denver and then a loss to NOLA. Same goes for GS/OKC & Dallas/Phoenix back to backs, it all depends on which way he rests.
There is also the possibility that Pop just shuts it all down with 5 or more games left and we are without Manu, Tim and Tony (maybe even Kawhi).
[This message has been edited by Ganondorf (edited 3/26/2014 11:22a).]
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What losses do you see from the remaining schedule?
Bought a couple tickets to the @Mavs game on April 10th. I'm pretty damn pumped. Been a Spurs fan for a handful of years (unfortunately I didn't care about the NBA until the 08 Finals between Bos and LAL), but have never been to an NBA game.
Don't worry, already have a Spurs shirt to wear into the AAC.
Don't worry, already have a Spurs shirt to wear into the AAC.
I'm in SA for business and I'm tempted to pick up a $50 ticket for tonight.
Anyone sat a bit higher up?
Anyone sat a bit higher up?
I think the Spurs lose a handful of games down the stretch tbh. Pop doesn't care about the win streak and tbh he'd rather kill it.
Anyway, the Spurs have some tough games and b2b's to close out the season plus Pop will start playing the rest game closer to playoffs.
That's why OKC dropping games right now is HUGE for the Spurs. tbh the Spurs need this 3 game cushion on them to secure the 1 seed.
@DEN
@IND
@DAL
@OKC
@HOU
MEM
All tough games. I could see the Spurs splitting the 6 games above. Luckily OKC has some tough ones left as well including LAC, HOU, IND, etc.
[This message has been edited by Sher Thing (edited 3/26/2014 12:02p).]
Anyway, the Spurs have some tough games and b2b's to close out the season plus Pop will start playing the rest game closer to playoffs.
That's why OKC dropping games right now is HUGE for the Spurs. tbh the Spurs need this 3 game cushion on them to secure the 1 seed.
@DEN
@IND
@DAL
@OKC
@HOU
MEM
All tough games. I could see the Spurs splitting the 6 games above. Luckily OKC has some tough ones left as well including LAC, HOU, IND, etc.
[This message has been edited by Sher Thing (edited 3/26/2014 12:02p).]
3/26 - Denver
3/28 - @Denver
3/29 - NOLA
3/31 - @Indiana
4/2 - GS
4/3 - @OKC
4/6 - Memphis
4/8 - @Minn
4/10 - @Dallas
4/11 - Phoenix
4/14 - @Houston
4/16 - Lakers
Losses in bold. Most obvious ones I suppose. I could see one of those being wins, and maybe Phoenix being a loss, especially if Pop has shut it down by then. But that really depends on OKC's record. If we lose in OKC, I could see them possibly catching the Spurs.
3/28 - @Denver
3/29 - NOLA
3/31 - @Indiana
4/2 - GS
4/3 - @OKC
4/6 - Memphis
4/8 - @Minn
4/10 - @Dallas
4/11 - Phoenix
4/14 - @Houston
4/16 - Lakers
Losses in bold. Most obvious ones I suppose. I could see one of those being wins, and maybe Phoenix being a loss, especially if Pop has shut it down by then. But that really depends on OKC's record. If we lose in OKC, I could see them possibly catching the Spurs.
I think OKC losses a couple more games this season. The Spurs would have to go something like 7-5 for OKC to have a chance to catch them IMO. Probably isn't likely but the sooner the Spurs wrap it up the better. It's a pretty brutal stretch to end the season if the Spurs are fighting for the 1 seed all the way through.
OKC's remaining schedule:
3/28-Sacramento
3/30-Utah
4/3-San Antonio
4/4-@ Rockets
4/6-@ Phoenix
4/8-@ Sacramento
4/9-@ L.A. Clippers
4/11-New Orleans
4/13-@ Indiana
4/14-@ New Orleans
4/16-Detroit
Definitely an easier road to end the year so you can see why I say the 3 game lead right now is huge for the Spurs. Dallas did us a real solid last night.
Isn't it fantastic that OKC has 4 days rest before they face us and we are on a second game of a b2b with the first game being GS? Of course. That's obviously a huge game and the Spurs are already at a huge disadvantage before the ball is even thrown up.
3/28-Sacramento
3/30-Utah
4/3-San Antonio
4/4-@ Rockets
4/6-@ Phoenix
4/8-@ Sacramento
4/9-@ L.A. Clippers
4/11-New Orleans
4/13-@ Indiana
4/14-@ New Orleans
4/16-Detroit
Definitely an easier road to end the year so you can see why I say the 3 game lead right now is huge for the Spurs. Dallas did us a real solid last night.
Isn't it fantastic that OKC has 4 days rest before they face us and we are on a second game of a b2b with the first game being GS? Of course. That's obviously a huge game and the Spurs are already at a huge disadvantage before the ball is even thrown up.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is expecting that game to be winnable, especially Pop. Probably won't even play the big three. Maybe Tony, at most.
But the team should operate assuming the cushion in the loss column is 2, not 3.
On the bright side, Spurs have pretty much locked up homecourt advantage for the finals, should they make it that far.
But the team should operate assuming the cushion in the loss column is 2, not 3.
On the bright side, Spurs have pretty much locked up homecourt advantage for the finals, should they make it that far.
On the year the Finals format is switching back to 2-2-1-1-1 that is huge. Home court is a lot more important with that format.
IMO 62 wins guarantees us the #1 seed, maybe 61, so we need 7 or 8 wins out of the final 12.
Pop will rest on the b2b's but other than that he will play for the 1 seed.
Oklahoma City also needs to watch for LAC who his hot on their heels as well.
The more I look at it, if the Spurs just take care of business these next three games (DEN,@DEN,NOP) they should be in pretty good shape. 3 game lead with 9 games remaining is pretty good.
Oklahoma City also needs to watch for LAC who his hot on their heels as well.
The more I look at it, if the Spurs just take care of business these next three games (DEN,@DEN,NOP) they should be in pretty good shape. 3 game lead with 9 games remaining is pretty good.
Saw this on SpursTalk today.
Also, this.
Also, this.
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