***2020-2021 OFFICIAL HOUSTON ROCKETS THREAD***

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In reply to YNWA_AG • 8:46p, 3/5/21
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Huge difference in those two situations. LeBron was 100% committed and couldn't get any help the first time around. LeBron was taking teams to the NBA finals when the second best player was Mo Williams or Larry Hughes.

Harden had future HOF teammates of his choice and the whole Rockets organization bending over backwards for him but couldn't be a leader & created a terrible culture.

Peak LeBron would've won multiple championships with the Rockets if he had the same supporting casts Harden had all those years. Harden would have won at least one title here if he had half the leadership or commitment LeBron has.

The only reason he even got close is because CP brought that piece of the puzzle to the table until Harden ran him off. What CP's teams have done since he left here proves that 100%.

Life humbles us all and he's still a relatively young man. I would never want to close the door to a more mature, humble and committed James Harden coming back to the Rockets. Just don't compare him to LeBron.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 9:49p, 3/5/21
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Harry Dunne said:
Ufck Harden. I don't want that fat selfish SOB back no matter how good he is.

Our best bet is to get back as much as we can for what we have left, draft well and hope Stone can find some under the radar studs like Wood. All it takes is one great move. We were lost in the wilderness after T-Mac/Yao and managed to become relevant with the Harden trade despite giving our best player (Kyle Lowry) away.
yeah if harden wants to come back, I'm spread eagle for it. Let's win, baby.
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In reply to PSully97 • 9:55p, 3/5/21
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I never compared him to lebron.
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In reply to YNWA_AG • 8:22a, 3/6/21
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Didn't you?
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7:22p, 3/6/21


Looking forward to seeing these guys get some run.
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4:08p, 3/7/21
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Blake griffin signing with the nets. Holy crap.
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In reply to mAgnoliAg • 6:59p, 3/7/21
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Blake griffin signing with the nets. Holy crap.


The NBA:

Which big city do a bunch of entitled superstars want to play in, dominate the playoffs, and make the league more unwatchable than it already is?
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He is beyond washed. His knees are shot
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8:46a, 3/8/21
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Alright, all star break is over. Please commence the fire sale....also it's KPJ time!
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In reply to YNWA_AG • 10:25a, 3/8/21
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He is beyond washed. His knees are shot
It's all relative. "Washed" to me means useless and he is limited & one-dimensional now, but far from useless especially at that price. The Pistons bit the $ bullet for them and at this point, 10-20 minutes off the bench and getting some spot-up looks as the beneficiary of Harden double-teams is a better role for him and his knees.

I am rooting for the Nets to lose as much as anyone else here and strongly dislike the superteam trend, but this is a low-risk (possobly) good pickup for them.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 11:50a, 3/8/21
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Harry Dunne said:
YNWA_AG said:


He is beyond washed. His knees are shot
It's all relative. "Washed" to me means useless and he is limited & one-dimensional now, but far from useless especially at that price. The Pistons bit the $ bullet for them and at this point, 10-20 minutes off the bench and getting some spot-up looks as the beneficiary of Harden double-teams is a better role for him and his knees.

I am rooting for the Nets to lose as much as anyone else here and strongly dislike the superteam trend, but this is a low-risk (possobly) good pickup for them.

Griffin can't even dunk anymore. He's an undersized backup 5 who can't defend basically anything, sucks around the basket and can't shoot from the perimeter.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 3:16p, 3/8/21
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Harry Dunne said:
YNWA_AG said:


He is beyond washed. His knees are shot
It's all relative. "Washed" to me means useless and he is limited & one-dimensional now, but far from useless especially at that price. The Pistons bit the $ bullet for them and at this point, 10-20 minutes off the bench and getting some spot-up looks as the beneficiary of Harden double-teams is a better role for him and his knees.

I am rooting for the Nets to lose as much as anyone else here and strongly dislike the superteam trend, but this is a low-risk (possobly) good pickup for them.

Blake can no longer rebound or get above the rim. He doesn't really get to the line, can't shoot, can't defend and generally can't move anymore. He's a big guy who doesn't even shoot 40% and hasn't in like 2 years. He's really really bad at this point in his career.

The Nets have like 8 guys already who average at or above 20 minutes and game and play with regularity. He's gonna be like almost every other buyout big name guy... he'll be a 9th or 10th man and honestly... on a team as good as the Nets I could see a lot of DNP's for him come playoff time. I think your relatively low expectations for him is probably even much bigger than the reality will be of his contribution.
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In reply to ATM9000 • 3:21p, 3/8/21
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ATM9000 said:
Harry Dunne said:
YNWA_AG said:


He is beyond washed. His knees are shot
It's all relative. "Washed" to me means useless and he is limited & one-dimensional now, but far from useless especially at that price. The Pistons bit the $ bullet for them and at this point, 10-20 minutes off the bench and getting some spot-up looks as the beneficiary of Harden double-teams is a better role for him and his knees.

I am rooting for the Nets to lose as much as anyone else here and strongly dislike the superteam trend, but this is a low-risk (possobly) good pickup for them.

Blake can no longer rebound or get above the rim. He doesn't really get to the line, can't shoot, can't defend and generally can't move anymore. He's a big guy who doesn't even shoot 40% and hasn't in like 2 years. He's really really bad at this point in his career.

The Nets have like 8 guys already who average at or above 20 minutes and game and play with regularity. He's gonna be like almost every other buyout big name guy... he'll be a 9th or 10th man and honestly... on a team as good as the Nets I could see a lot of DNP's for him come playoff time. I think your relatively low expectations for him is probably even much bigger than the reality will be of his contribution.
He's definitely washed but just wanted to point out that he's shooting like 43% on wide open 3s (which is like, among the best in the NBA). So while he definitely can't shoot off the dribble, he has some value as a spot up guy for Harden or Kyrie to dish to.
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In reply to Ryan34 • 3:32p, 3/8/21
- He's a decent three-point shooter for a big man, and will get a lot of good looks playing on that team.
- He is still a very good pick and roll guy in both ball handler & roll guy roles, and that kind of versatility goes a long way, again, especially on that team that runs a lot of pick & roll sets and has 3 dynamic players for him to work with.
- he's definitely no longer a 35 minutes per game guy, but he's going to be able to put a lot more into the 10 or 15 minutes he's out there with the Nets.

We'll see, I hope you're right because I don't want him to help the Nets but I suspect he's going to be decent in a more limited & specific role.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 3:34p, 3/8/21
I think that's all they're looking for out of him. Some spot up threes and some pick and roll sets and a veteran presence in the locker room and on the bench...and that's all they're paying for anyway.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 3:39p, 3/8/21
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M.C. Swag said:
ATM9000 said:
Harry Dunne said:
YNWA_AG said:


He is beyond washed. His knees are shot
It's all relative. "Washed" to me means useless and he is limited & one-dimensional now, but far from useless especially at that price. The Pistons bit the $ bullet for them and at this point, 10-20 minutes off the bench and getting some spot-up looks as the beneficiary of Harden double-teams is a better role for him and his knees.

I am rooting for the Nets to lose as much as anyone else here and strongly dislike the superteam trend, but this is a low-risk (possobly) good pickup for them.

Blake can no longer rebound or get above the rim. He doesn't really get to the line, can't shoot, can't defend and generally can't move anymore. He's a big guy who doesn't even shoot 40% and hasn't in like 2 years. He's really really bad at this point in his career.

The Nets have like 8 guys already who average at or above 20 minutes and game and play with regularity. He's gonna be like almost every other buyout big name guy... he'll be a 9th or 10th man and honestly... on a team as good as the Nets I could see a lot of DNP's for him come playoff time. I think your relatively low expectations for him is probably even much bigger than the reality will be of his contribution.
He's definitely washed but just wanted to point out that he's shooting like 43% on wide open 3s (which is like, among the best in the NBA). So while he definitely can't shoot off the dribble, he has some value as a spot up guy for Harden or Kyrie to dish to.

While that's true, you might as well set up a layup line if he's on the court with Harden, Irving or definitely both of them. I really don't see how Brooklyn can hide him really on defense with who is their core and that will matter when the play Philly, Milwaukee or even Boston. I dunno... maybe if he's motivated he shows better. I've probably seen him play twice now on TV this season so small sample size but he has looked slow and terrible both games. I think his body is shot and you need players with more dimensions when you've got the core the Nets have.
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In reply to ATM9000 • 3:40p, 3/8/21
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ATM9000 said:
M.C. Swag said:
ATM9000 said:
Harry Dunne said:
YNWA_AG said:


He is beyond washed. His knees are shot
It's all relative. "Washed" to me means useless and he is limited & one-dimensional now, but far from useless especially at that price. The Pistons bit the $ bullet for them and at this point, 10-20 minutes off the bench and getting some spot-up looks as the beneficiary of Harden double-teams is a better role for him and his knees.

I am rooting for the Nets to lose as much as anyone else here and strongly dislike the superteam trend, but this is a low-risk (possobly) good pickup for them.

Blake can no longer rebound or get above the rim. He doesn't really get to the line, can't shoot, can't defend and generally can't move anymore. He's a big guy who doesn't even shoot 40% and hasn't in like 2 years. He's really really bad at this point in his career.

The Nets have like 8 guys already who average at or above 20 minutes and game and play with regularity. He's gonna be like almost every other buyout big name guy... he'll be a 9th or 10th man and honestly... on a team as good as the Nets I could see a lot of DNP's for him come playoff time. I think your relatively low expectations for him is probably even much bigger than the reality will be of his contribution.
He's definitely washed but just wanted to point out that he's shooting like 43% on wide open 3s (which is like, among the best in the NBA). So while he definitely can't shoot off the dribble, he has some value as a spot up guy for Harden or Kyrie to dish to.

While that's true, you might as well set up a layup line if he's on the court with Harden, Irving or definitely both of them. I really don't see how Brooklyn can hide him really on defense with who is their core and that will matter when the play Philly, Milwaukee or even Boston. I dunno... maybe if he's motivated he shows better. I've probably seen him play twice now on TV this season so small sample size but he has looked slow and terrible both games. I think his body is shot and you need players with more dimensions when you've got the core the Nets have.
lol i didn't say anything about him defensively. Just saying he can knock down an open 3.
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This makes zero sense to me. Mason Jones can score if given the opportunity. He's shown that in the limited playing time he has had that I've seen. If we can't score, why waive him? Dude can flat out shoot. I feel like he needs more PT..not waived. You're better off just eating it money wise and dumping Mcclemore.
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We could possibly be waiving him so that we can offer him a full contract. Apparently that's how it works.
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We could possibly be waiving him so that we can offer him a full contract. Apparently that's how it works.

Hopefully because it just feels like he's a guy that would show up next year on another team and play really well
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In reply to YNWA_AG • 9:58p, 3/8/21
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Lamb is an interesting prospect.

When the Rockets signed Ray Spalding to a 2-way contract, we robbed the d-league team (RGV) of its only real big man (we also immediately took their replacement center, Patton).

Lamb basically came out of no where and RGV hasn't lost since he signed on (note: they just lost tonight - without KPJ ).

On the surface, the numbers are incredible 18PPG, 40% from 3, ~9RPG, ~4APG and 1.2 steals a game. Here is the thing, he is a 6-6 230lb center. I'm just not sure how well he is going to hold up against legit NBA size.

He doesn't seem like the type of player that would get snapped up by opposing teams, so I'm not sure why they rolled with him over Mason. My initial guess is that KPJ likes playing with him.
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In reply to AG@RICE • 8:40a, 3/9/21
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Here is the thing, he is a 6-6 230lb center. I'm just not sure how well he is going to hold up against legit NBA size.
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 11:21a, 3/9/21
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Harry Dunne said:
AG@RICE said:
Here is the thing, he is a 6-6 230lb center. I'm just not sure how well he is going to hold up against legit NBA size.


If lamb turns out to be that good I'll gladly eat my words. To be fair, I doubted him at RGV and he clearly played well. Dude has skill and knows how to play. If he picks up PJs D then we would have a solid player. That being said, PJ is probably a freak and not the norm.

Also I was actually expecting a picture of the chuckwagon in response to my post.
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12:57p, 3/9/21
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This is a very good Rockets podcast in my opinion, worth a listen
Gig’em Aggies!
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In reply to AG@RICE • 2:03p, 3/9/21
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Harry Dunne said:
AG@RICE said:
Here is the thing, he is a 6-6 230lb center. I'm just not sure how well he is going to hold up against legit NBA size.


If lamb turns out to be that good I'll gladly eat my words. To be fair, I doubted him at RGV and he clearly played well. Dude has skill and knows how to play. If he picks up PJs D then we would have a solid player. That being said, PJ is probably a freak and not the norm.

Also I was actually expecting a picture of the chuckwagon in response to my post.
I have watched Lamb play a total of 1 basketball game, but it was his freshman year NCAA tournament vs. Purdue and he dropped 20 and them and granted it was Vermont, but he was skilled and versatile and already "the man" on that team by the end of his freshman season.

It is unlikely he is anywhere near as good defensively as Hayes or PJ. I just thought it was funny you'd make that comment when we have had 2 starting centers in the last decade almost exactly that size that were also both G-League guys.
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9:55p, 3/11/21
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KPJ left the game hurt and our offense is still lost.

Edit: never mind, KPJ is fine
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10:12p, 3/11/21
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Looks like PJ might be on the way out....
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10:45p, 3/11/21
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Eric Gordon non contact injury
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11:52p, 3/11/21
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Hate the new way of doing things. Just don't show up to work and force your teams hand. Causing them to be weak in any negotiations.
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8:46a, 3/12/21
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The Rockets feel like a guy playing Texas hold'em thats on the short stack and has waited too long to make a move. The blinds have eaten away at all the leverage and eventually we will just go all in on a losing hand because we have no choice.

Gordon Tucker and Olidipo are hemorrhaging value right now. I'm worried we will end up buying out players we should have traded because we are waiting for a perfect offer that will never show up.

Stone needs to get moving.
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9:41a, 3/12/21
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Guess I can go back to disliking PJ for being a sip. Once again we get screwed by a player acting like a child.
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In reply to Aggie09Derek • 9:47a, 3/12/21
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Hate the new way of doing things. Just don't show up to work and force your teams hand. Causing them to be weak in any negotiations.


I feel the same way. It's super disappointing to me and seems really childish.

No hate against Tucker to be honest. It seems this is the way basketball is going and it sucks.

I'm sure we'll never see this in the CBA, but it would be interesting to see the players reaction to including this in the next CBA: You decide you don't want to play anymore for the team, you don't get paid.

It seems like when it's time to negotiate a new CBA, owners are going to have to do some things to protect their teams better. This way of not playing until you're traded, while still getting paid and costing your teams negotiating power is ultimately bad for the owner and the team. I would think there would be some discussion in regards to the new CBA about protecting teams going forward.
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