I liked when Jimmy introduced himself as Saul Goodman, Hank said "S'all good, man!" He has him figured out at the jump lol
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I saw it as her being personally offended and trying to do the right thing.
Kim is focusing on pro bono work even though she's the point person on Mesa Verde because she became a lawyer to help people, not make corporations rich.
Barry Corbins line about "you think your a good person but you're not" hit too close to home because that's exactly what she's been doing.
Kim has every right to say F U and call the sherriff, but she needs to prove to herself that she's not a fake good person like Corbin described, so she goes above and beyond to try to help him. He refuses and insults her, forcing her hand to call the sherriff.
The episode ends with Kim pissed at the realization that she is a fake good person but really just a corporate stooge.
Kim is focusing on pro bono work even though she's the point person on Mesa Verde because she became a lawyer to help people, not make corporations rich.
Barry Corbins line about "you think your a good person but you're not" hit too close to home because that's exactly what she's been doing.
Kim has every right to say F U and call the sherriff, but she needs to prove to herself that she's not a fake good person like Corbin described, so she goes above and beyond to try to help him. He refuses and insults her, forcing her hand to call the sherriff.
The episode ends with Kim pissed at the realization that she is a fake good person but really just a corporate stooge.
Yeah I think this is the answer.
Her client had already told her they were happy with the resolution, so it was personal for her. She pulled off to the side of the road because she felt bad. She had talked the night before about how excited she was to work on pro bono all day, and then she spends part of the day basically telling a guy that she is kicking him out of his house. So she went back well after hours to make amends and try to do it the right way, and one that would allow her to feel like she was true to who she wants to be.
Her client had already told her they were happy with the resolution, so it was personal for her. She pulled off to the side of the road because she felt bad. She had talked the night before about how excited she was to work on pro bono all day, and then she spends part of the day basically telling a guy that she is kicking him out of his house. So she went back well after hours to make amends and try to do it the right way, and one that would allow her to feel like she was true to who she wants to be.
So just to make sure I'm following this episode correctly, Lalo's plan is to use Saul to convince Crazy 8 to pretend to "flip" on someone higher up, and the discussion with Nacho, Gus, and Throat-Slash Guy at the end basically revealed that it's Gus who Lalo is trying to frame?
Situations like these are when I appreciate that this show is a prequel: Since Gus is in BB and Lalo isn't (directly), I guess we can assume that Gus either kills him or maybe he ends up turning the tables and getting him arrested instead.
My money, though, is gonna be on Nacho being the one to take the fall. After that speech his dad gave him, I could see him being faced with a situation where Gus threatens to kill his father unless he gets the DEA off his back, and he sees confessing as the only way to save his dad and his honor at the same time.
Situations like these are when I appreciate that this show is a prequel: Since Gus is in BB and Lalo isn't (directly), I guess we can assume that Gus either kills him or maybe he ends up turning the tables and getting him arrested instead.
My money, though, is gonna be on Nacho being the one to take the fall. After that speech his dad gave him, I could see him being faced with a situation where Gus threatens to kill his father unless he gets the DEA off his back, and he sees confessing as the only way to save his dad and his honor at the same time.
I couldn't tell if that was all part of Saul's plan or not. Kinda seemed like it was...Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
Also, Hank almost blew the plan by walking out while they were trying to bargain, but Saul ad libbed and got him back in, right?
Saul's opening line in BB is "It wasn't me, it was Ignacio." then "Lalo didn't send you?" (see last page)J.P. 03 said:
So just to make sure I'm following this episode correctly, Lalo's plan is to use Saul to convince Crazy 8 to pretend to "flip" on someone higher up, and the discussion with Nacho, Gus, and Throat-Slash Guy at the end basically revealed that it's Gus who Lalo is trying to frame?
Situations like these are when I appreciate that this show is a prequel: Since Gus is in BB and Lalo isn't (directly), I guess we can assume that Gus either kills him or maybe he ends up turning the tables and getting him arrested instead.
My money, though, is gonna be on Nacho being the one to take the fall. After that speech his dad gave him, I could see him being faced with a situation where Gus threatens to kill his father unless he gets the DEA off his back, and he sees confessing as the only way to save his dad and his honor at the same time.
Clearly Ignacio is going to use Saul to screw over Lalo
Filling in the blanks, Ignacio uses Krazy 8 to inform on Lalo and have him arrested by DEA. Nacho then flees town and takes his dad with him. Very similar to your prediction.
Key difference is that conversation between Nacho and his dad showed that Nacho was trying to get his dad out of town but his dad wouldn't leave. I expect things to escalate so that Nacho realizes the only way to protect his dad is to force him to leave right before SHTF.
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Yeah, I thought there was some very minor talk of it in previous episodes but the whole "packing my things in a box and leaving in the dead of night" was almost too emotional just to get him to move. I could see it either way and that's the brilliance of the writing and set up on her character.
Mrs. Shoe said last night "why they hell would she ever stick with him for this long, she's being an idiot". The tossing of the beer bottles is way outside of little miss pro bono too, unless next week the episode starts with her on hands and knees in the parking lot picking up glass......surrounded by ants.
Mrs. Shoe said last night "why they hell would she ever stick with him for this long, she's being an idiot". The tossing of the beer bottles is way outside of little miss pro bono too, unless next week the episode starts with her on hands and knees in the parking lot picking up glass......surrounded by ants.
I thought that one of the flash forwards to Saul shredding everything in his office included him telling Francesca to call Kim to represent her (though not by name).TCTTS said:
Great episode.
That said, the deeper Jimmy gets, the more worried I am that either Lalo or Gus erases Kim. Which I just don't think I'll be able to handle.
On a lighter note, I've decided that the actor who plays Lalo needs to be in everything. That dude should be a star.
Interesting. I have no recollection of that, but would be awesome if so.
Quite a Ridetomtomdrumdrum said:I thought that one of the flash forwards to Saul shredding everything in his office included him telling Francesca to call Kim to represent her (though not by name).TCTTS said:
Great episode.
That said, the deeper Jimmy gets, the more worried I am that either Lalo or Gus erases Kim. Which I just don't think I'll be able to handle.
On a lighter note, I've decided that the actor who plays Lalo needs to be in everything. That dude should be a star.
May be Kim, may not be Kim.Quote:
In a flash forward to sometime between the events of the Breaking Bad episodes "Ozymandias" and "Granite State",[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quite_a_Ride#cite_note-ew_flashforward-1][1][/url] Saul Goodman frantically collects money and other important possessions from his office while Francesca shreds incriminating paperwork. As he says goodbye to her, Saul gives Francesca a lawyer's business card and says that if she needs legal help, she should tell the attorney "Jimmy" sent her. They agree that she will be at a particular location on November 12 at 3 PM to receive a phone call and she says if the phone doesn't ring at exactly 3 o'clock, she'll leave immediately. He says the last few years have been "quite a ride", then contacts his "disappearer" for a new identity.
Yeah that's what it was. Wouldn't make sense for him to tell Francesca how to introduce herself, since she worked with Kim.
Good point. And she originally knew him as Jimmy anyway.tomtomdrumdrum said:
Yeah that's what it was. Wouldn't make sense for him to tell Francesca how to introduce herself, since she worked with Kim.
Seven Costanza said:TCTTS said:
On a lighter note, I've decided that the actor who plays Lalo needs to be in everything. That dude should be a star.
I agree. Really has a screen presence.
He reminds me so much of Pedro Pascal.
TCTTS said:
That said, the deeper Jimmy gets, the more worried I am that either Lalo or Gus erases Kim. Which I just don't think I'll be able to handle.
For whatever reason, I don't think it'll happen. I have a slight hope that the Gene storyline may end happily with him coming back to Kim.
BB/BCS continue to have some of the coolest cold opens in television. So weird and unexpected.
Brian Earl Spilner said:TCTTS said:
That said, the deeper Jimmy gets, the more worried I am that either Lalo or Gus erases Kim. Which I just don't think I'll be able to handle.
For whatever reason, I don't think it'll happen. I have a slight hope that the Gene storyline may end happily with him coming back to Kim.
I really hope that's the case. I guess the Gene scenes *do* have to have some kind of greater purpose, and it all leading to a Jimmy/Kim reunion would be awesome.
The way I read the scene, she was being truthful, and yet he didn't bite. I think at that moment she realized that Jimmy was right, that sometimes "cheating" is the only way you get ahead. That's why I think she started hurling the bottles at the end. A combination of both frustration, and also finally giving in to that temptation to do the "wrong" thing.
Just my interpretation.
Just my interpretation.
Maybe Kim used the vacuum disappearing trick before the BB timeline and she's living happily ever after in Montana.
I tend to think that the show will give either Nacho or Kim a "happy" ending, and the other gets killed.
The obvious money is on Nacho getting got, given how he's basically trapped from both sides. Sadly I think his dad is a goner as well.
The only thing that throws that off is Saul mentioning him in BB. So it could be he either he doesn't know he's been killed, or S6 will overlap with the BB timeline.
The obvious money is on Nacho getting got, given how he's basically trapped from both sides. Sadly I think his dad is a goner as well.
The only thing that throws that off is Saul mentioning him in BB. So it could be he either he doesn't know he's been killed, or S6 will overlap with the BB timeline.
So weird that it got me interested in yodeling. That's not supposed to happen. Ever. Ha.Brian Earl Spilner said:
BB/BCS continue to have some of the coolest cold opens in television. So weird and unexpected.
Life's an endless party, not a punch card.
Yeah, but he mentioned Nacho in a "it was him who did it" context. So he doesn't have to be alive for that. Now Lalo has to be alive (or at least Saul has to think he is alive) for Saul to be grateful that Lalo didn't send WW and Jesse.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I tend to think that the show will give either Nacho or Kim a "happy" ending, and the other gets killed.
The obvious money is on Nacho getting got, given how he's basically trapped from both sides. Sadly I think his dad is a goner as well.
The only thing that throws that off is Saul mentioning him in BB. So it could be he either he doesn't know he's been killed, or S6 will overlap with the BB timeline.
How many names has Saul had in the character's history now?
James McGill
Slippin' Jimmy
Saul Goodman
Gene Takavic
Kevin Costner
James McGill
Slippin' Jimmy
Saul Goodman
Gene Takavic
Kevin Costner
What was his name when they scammed that guy at the bar? He was pretending to be South African or something?
wasn't it Viktor something?
- Saul Goodman
- The Lawyer
- Gene Takavic
- Jeffrey Steele
- Charlie Hustle
- Kevin Costner
- Mr. Cumpston
- Viktor Saint Claire
- Magic Man
TCTTS said:Brian Earl Spilner said:TCTTS said:
That said, the deeper Jimmy gets, the more worried I am that either Lalo or Gus erases Kim. Which I just don't think I'll be able to handle.
For whatever reason, I don't think it'll happen. I have a slight hope that the Gene storyline may end happily with him coming back to Kim.
I really hope that's the case. I guess the Gene scenes *do* have to have some kind of greater purpose, and it all leading to a Jimmy/Kim reunion would be awesome.
mmm, I'm gonna have to disagree here.
I love Jimmy/Saul for the entertainment. And I think Kim is awesome. But I think Kim deserves so much better, and needs to stay away from Jimmy's negative temptations to explore her "Slippin' Kimmy" side. I think a Gene-Kim reunion in the end would be a let-down. Too cute and "happy ending-ish" for the BB universe, and there's no way I can imagine them together evolving into an upstanding couple.
I hear you, but no one's saying it has to be a "cute" reunion or that they get married or anything like that. There's a bittersweet version where, as low as Jimmy is in the Gene timeline, there's still someone who forgives him in her own way. They may never see each other again after this brief, theoretical reunion, but even if not forgiveness, maybe there's some form of closure to be had on both of their parts in one last encounter. I'm not looking for a happy ending, but I at least hope we get a meaningful one.
Let's see
All the Salamanca's dead
Gus dead
Walt dead
Hank dead
Skylar alive but major life setback
Jesse escapes to Alaska
What does Saul deserve? What is a natural ending for him? Trying to predict what the BB/BCS writers will give him based on past episodes and character arcs
He's broken a lot of laws. Did he kill anyone? He knows the legal system and is a genius level manipulator, often those types of characters are able to skirt by. I personally don't believe he'll end up dead, I think he'd either end up in prison or trapped in an unfulfilling life as punishment for what he has participated in. It doesn't feel right that he'd have a happy ending.
All the Salamanca's dead
Gus dead
Walt dead
Hank dead
Skylar alive but major life setback
Jesse escapes to Alaska
What does Saul deserve? What is a natural ending for him? Trying to predict what the BB/BCS writers will give him based on past episodes and character arcs
He's broken a lot of laws. Did he kill anyone? He knows the legal system and is a genius level manipulator, often those types of characters are able to skirt by. I personally don't believe he'll end up dead, I think he'd either end up in prison or trapped in an unfulfilling life as punishment for what he has participated in. It doesn't feel right that he'd have a happy ending.
Again, it doesn't need to be a happy ending, nor am I anticipating one. All I'm saying is, IF Kim is somehow involved at the end of the Gene timeline, it can in some way serve a higher thematic purpose other than a "cute"/happy ending.
You know, some of us like to see characters get redeemed in the end.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HUELL???????????????????????????????????
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