When Kate Bishop walked in the Barton house at the end of the episode, should have cut to the teenage son saying "Merry Christmas to me!"

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I do really enjoy the thought of Jack's character, now knowing he isn't bad at all. He's just a simple, loveable idiot who is great with a sword.

Under the radar MVP of the show who had nothing but great intentions.

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Jack's character was hokey, but he was so much fun. Remember early on when he was trying (and failing) to connect with Kate, and he said he read a book on becoming a stepparent? They played it off like he was trying to insidiously worm his way into the family, but it was completely wholesome the whole time. The dude who hadn't worked a day in his life was trying to become a great dad.

The kid that played Armand VII was also a nice, comedic relief. Just a bratty little rich kid with issues. Not the least of which was being named Armand VII

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As good as this season was, it could have used another episode. It felt rushed.

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Maybe, but you have to admit that Disney + doing six episodes of their series is better than Netflix doing twelve episodes with half of them being filler.

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I'm alone in this, but I like "filler" episodes. They give characters depth and richness. I like 30 episode shows where sometimes the episode stands alone. I miss that. I dont feel nearly as connected to any characters and it makes shows much more forgettable to me.

There is definitely some value to having more room to explore characters or settings or whatever else you would have them focus on in extra episodes.

Except for The Clone Wars where the droids had the whole episode on their own missions. Those weren't great.

I think there is a happy medium somewhere between Hawkeye and Supernatural for filler episodes

I was waiting for daredevil to pop out at the end to help fight Kingpin. Especially after all of the announcements about using the same Netflix actor a week before.

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The kid that played Armand VII was also a nice, comedic relief. Just a bratty little rich kid with issues. Not the least of which was being named Armand VII

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I loved when Jack nonchalantly mentioned how no one forgot the kid peed his pants, when he was being bratty to Jack. That was so great.

Love seeing adults zing kids in movies or shows.

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malenurse said:

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The kid that played Armand VII was also a nice, comedic relief. Just a bratty little rich kid with issues. Not the least of which was being named Armand VII

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I loved when Jack nonchalantly mentioned how no one forgot the kid peed his pants, when he was being bratty to Jack. That was so great.

Love seeing adults zing kids in movies or shows.

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Reminds me of Jonah Hill doing the same to Dave Franco when he's trying to talk to Michael Cera in gym class in "Superbad".

For me, it reminds me of Scrubs:

Watched the finale last night and really enjoyed it.

- They made me care about Hawkeye, who I didn't think about at all before this show. Made me interested in seeing more stories about him.

- Kate Bishop is another character that I want to see more of. Steinfeld did a nice job of playing her as a college student with irrational confidence at times while still having insecurities.

- The comic that it was based upon was different but had a lot of the same vibes. It's worth checking out if you're into comics at all.

- I didn't care at all about Kingpin and actually thought that he took away from the main story. I never watched Daredevil, but I wish that Kingpin hadn't been part this show.

- Overall it was a lot of fun and had some heart. One of my favorite of the D+ shows.

I loved Daredevil's Kingpin and I think D'Ofrio does an incredible job. However I tend to agree that he was a little out of place here. Only one episode plus a screenshot in a second, and basically loses the first time we see him. Daredevil worked because Kingpin won, over and over and over, before he finally lost. And that was even only a symbolic defeat because the real damage was the leverage Daredevil had over Kingpin.

I'd have rather had him teased in the finale I think. Although maybe they're setting up something totally different, and by this point I think we can give the MCU the benefit of the doubt that they'll set things in place for longer payoffs. But right now it was a weak point in a very nice series.

You're missing out if you haven't watched Daredevil, still one of the best shows Marvel has done.

Finally finished this and really enjoyed it. Lots of little things, many of which have already been called out. Noticed Kate had a super hero landing after she fell down 30 rock, but it was a little shaky.

Minor quibble but there's no way Kate could fight Yllena. They definitely nerfed her fighting ability so she didn't destroy Kate.

Agreed. A Widow would destroy Kate.

Yelena nerfed herself. She stated the whole time she didn't want to hurt Kate. The elevator scene was specifically to show how outmatched Kate was

They kind of explained that in-show. Yelena didn't want to hurt Kate and was pulling her punches and just trying to get her out of the way so she could get to Hawkeye.

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I think this answers the question I had...the Asian guy in red and black was Scott, right?

FTR, he was actually there in later time travel sequence; just not hanging out with the larger original group.

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Screencrush said that Ant-Man was supposed to be in the original Avengers movie but he got cut from it since his solo movie hadn't been released yet. So maybe this was just a tribute to that? Otherwise yeah, it makes no sense.

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I think it actually makes tons of sense if you think about how that would play out in the real world. It was a fictionalized Broadway musical about (in-universe) real events. Like most art, it borrows from true and finagles some fictions to tell a story. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if a musical made about a group of heroes took some liberties regarding one of the events for purposes of storytelling - that's what they all do.

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Just finished this. Let me start by saying that I hate comic book movies (except Batman movies). I only watched the first Avengers movie and had no clue on most of the back stories. All that said, I really enjoyed this. The play between Clint and Kate was great. The fight scenes were hokey at times, but entertaining. The whole hearing impaired part of it didn't seem to add much, but whatever. Anyway, really liked this series and am in for the next season. Carry on with your comic discussion.

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This is what my mom does. You are my mom.

Her: Hey, let's watch this John Wick 3 movie.
Me: Have you seen 1 and 2?
Her: No.
Me: We need to watch those first.
Her: No, it's fine.
Me: It's not fine. You need the context.
Her: Nah. I don't care. Let's watch it.
Me: Serenity now. [turns it on]

I'm trying to make sense of "I hate comic movies, but I think I'll watch this comic book movie"

You're enigmatic, I'll give you that.

As for your questions. I think the hard of hearing stuff was for a few reasons. One, to set up their next show Echo which will star the deaf woman. Two, it's part of Clint's character to get his ass kicked and I thought it was a clever way to show he's the most vulnerable Avenger. Like, these people should all be completely dead anyway so I think it's cool to have chronic issues that isn't just "Tony arm hurt".

My cynical side also says it checks some diversity boxes too. Gotta make up for the cast being nearly all white people...

Clint dealing with hearing issues is pulled straight from the comic run this is loosely based on.

Though the fact that some of y'all still can't grasp that more diverse casting equals more revenue for the studios is humorous at this point. And despite a handful of loud voices to the contrary, representation does matter.

C'mon, really? Re: diversity checkboxes?

It's all about displaying his vulnerability, giving him an actual injury to show that he's not a super soldier. And like many regular soldiers, he has after affects from all the sh*t he's been through.

So much of his character arc is based on the PTSD from all that he did pre- during- and post-Avenger. Because he's the most non-powered person of the team.

I thought it was a great aspect of the show, and they used it for humor as well as to convey his anxiety.

I will concede the hearing loss is not a total shoe-horn for the quotas. His issues are pretty integral to the show and the ASL is a very unique addition. Fluent ASL is such an underused acting tool and conveys so much emotion. It's exciting that Maya will be a main character in her own run.

The checkbox comment was more about Bombshell. "MY WIFE GAVE ME THIS", yelled the only black woman on the show. Now that's tokenization.