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7:38p, 12/15/21
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It would make zero sense if this is a different "Fisk" since he was always a part of the MCU. They would have to be the original characters and he would have had to of gotten out of jail again and found his way back to power despite people knowing he is a criminal.

Making him the kingpin but not the same kingpin would be a complete wtf. It's the same universe.
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7:51p, 12/15/21
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Basically the Netflix shows are a different universe than that of the mainline MCU.
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In reply to rhutton125 • 8:55p, 12/15/21
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I'm 90% certain this will be same actors, different universe.

Otherwise, Kingpin has already been in jail twice at this point and is very definitively a publicly-known criminal.

What happens in Hell's Kitchen stays in Hell's Kitchen?
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In reply to jeffk • 9:52p, 12/15/21
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jeffk said:
Basically the Netflix shows are a different universe than that of the mainline MCU.

Besides this being completely insane, I don't think they would whip out the same actor and everything for this to just be an alternate universe option.

Also, they keep talking about how the boss wants things to stay quiet and not get too much noise. He may actually be keeping a low profile.
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10:16p, 12/15/21
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Fun detail - the end shot of the credits was in Kingpin's silhouette this week.

Thanks and gig'em
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10:28p, 12/15/21
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Think of it this way - (re)canonizing Netflix is free advertising for Disney+'s biggest competitor. It also means many of the best stories have already been told. Elektra is dead, resurrected and possibly dead again, K'un L'un has been destroyed by the Hand, the Hand is done, secret identities have already been spoiled, Fisk should have a lifetime sentence, Jigsaw is dead, Killgrave is dead. Etc.

You're also kind of stuck with all of those actors. What if they want Charlie Cox and Vincent D but they want to recast and reboot Iron Fist? Let's be honest - a lot of those actors were good for TV but not exactly movie star material. Rosario Dawson could act circles around just about everyone on Luke Cage (Mahershala Ali excluded).

Keep the good, reboot the bad IMO. The good is the characters and some of the actors - but it doesn't need to be all or nothing. Kevin Feige isn't bound by anything Scott Buck ruined on TV.
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10:29p, 12/15/21
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DAMN THAT RULED
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10:34p, 12/15/21
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For those worried how they will bring back the Netflix characters, don't. It will be the very definition of the "soft reboot." They will pick elements they like and ignore the stuff they don't and it will be fine. The events of the Netflix shows will probably be assumed to have basically occurred, but the finer details, if they even come into play, can be messed around with a bit.
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11:22p, 12/15/21
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All you confused with the multiverse need to watch the What If…? series.
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11:23p, 12/15/21
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1. If they do a full reboot but keep a few actors, that's fine with me. Especially if it means we get a better Iron fist.

2. If they don't reboot, let's not forget that all those Netflix shows happened prior to the Snap. Or at the very least they didn't deal with the snap at all and can be assumed to have happened prior. It would be easy to come up with ways for Kingpin to get out of jail and "rehabilitate" during that 5 years.
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11:37p, 12/15/21
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All I really need from the Netflix universe are Daredevil, Fisk, and the Punisher. The rest is "meh".
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11:45p, 12/15/21
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Awesome episode. This show is great! I loved the Kate-Yelena scene. I hardly ever notice this sort of thing, but the acting is really good, especially that scene. Just a really well made series.
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In reply to double aught • 12:20a, 12/16/21
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Awesome episode. This show is great! I loved the Kate-Yelena scene. I hardly ever notice this sort of thing, but the acting is really good, especially that scene. Just a really well made series.

I thought the whole time how much better she was in that scene than in Black Widow.
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5:58a, 12/16/21
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Girl talk was a highlight of the episode
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7:58a, 12/16/21
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So, Clint asked Nat to forgive him for putting on the suit and not killing anyone?
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In reply to AliasMan02 • 8:23a, 12/16/21
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double aught said:
Awesome episode. This show is great! I loved the Kate-Yelena scene. I hardly ever notice this sort of thing, but the acting is really good, especially that scene. Just a really well made series.

I thought the whole time how much better she was in that scene than in Black Widow.
you didn't think Yelena was good in Black Widow???

i thought she was incredible in BW and honestly, my only concern at this point is whether Yelena is a big enough character for Pugh because she steals every scene she's in and i want her in every property going forward.
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8:25a, 12/16/21
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I understand that what if and the future of the MCU will be heavily invested in alternate universes but that hasn't really happened quite yet and I don't think that the goal of the Hawkeye show is to start diving into that.

Y'all accepting that they can just throw in absolute random **** that might not make sense and just say cuz…. Multiple universes when this show has nothing to do with that aspect yet is a little mind boggling.

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In reply to jackie childs • 8:26a, 12/16/21
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Yeah, I thought she was the best part of the movie BY FAR.
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8:33a, 12/16/21
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I'm also not the biggest fan of Yelena, but maybe it was because I was not a fan of the Black Widow movie.
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8:41a, 12/16/21
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For as much as I've enjoyed the Clint and Kate banter, Yelena takes it up two notches. She steals any scene she's in, she's just great. How good she is gives me faith in the continued MCU. We have lost actors like Boseman, Johannson, and Downey, likely about to lose Renner as well as I figure this is his swan song. But then they add people like her and Johnathan Majors to the mix. They don't just know how to cast, they know how to reload, which is crazy difficult. Hiddleston has stolen almost every scene he's been a part of in the MCU, and then Majors shows up and overtakes Hiddleston in his introduction.

Just sad we only get one more episode of this show.
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In reply to jackie childs • 8:46a, 12/16/21
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jackie childs said:
AliasMan02 said:
double aught said:
Awesome episode. This show is great! I loved the Kate-Yelena scene. I hardly ever notice this sort of thing, but the acting is really good, especially that scene. Just a really well made series.

I thought the whole time how much better she was in that scene than in Black Widow.
you didn't think Yelena was good in Black Widow???

i thought she was incredible in BW and honestly, my only concern at this point is whether Yelena is a big enough character for Pugh because she steals every scene she's in and i want her in every property going forward.


I thought she was good but there was a lot of tropey Russian badass stuff that we've seen 100 times. Nothing with the depth of the girl talk.
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8:47a, 12/16/21
The multi-verse thing is risky for Marvel.

It was much easier to take known heroes and add some lesser-known heroes and make Iron Man through Endgame work. Marvel used a lot of genius to make that work, but people loved.

Is that fan base going to be kept as large as it has been with multi-verse possibilities? I am not convinced. Marvel could be over-estimating the average fan's ability or desire to challenge their brain to wrap around some multi-verse concepts.
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9:00a, 12/16/21
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I want a scene of Yelena and Thor just drinking
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In reply to Saxsoon • 9:18a, 12/16/21
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I want a scene of Yelena and Thor just drinking

Watching this go off the rails would be great.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 9:19a, 12/16/21
Completely agree about the riskiness of the multiverse. Especially when you combine it with the natural fatigue from a franchise that has put out as much content as the MCU
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 9:21a, 12/16/21
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maroon barchetta said:
The multi-verse thing is risky for Marvel.

It was much easier to take known heroes and add some lesser-known heroes and make Iron Man through Endgame work. Marvel used a lot of genius to make that work, but people loved.

Is that fan base going to be kept as large as it has been with multi-verse possibilities? I am not convinced. Marvel could be over-estimating the average fan's ability or desire to challenge their brain to wrap around some multi-verse concepts.


I have thought they are going to be treading a very fine line between fun and completely ridiculous with the direction they are going.

Endgame could have been really bad with the time travel but they kept it really simple and it still worked for me and general audiences.

Multiverse can get really dumb really quick like the Flash series and such.

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9:22a, 12/16/21
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Did we ever hear anything about the watch? Who now has it? And what is it's significance?
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 9:24a, 12/16/21
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I agree as well, but it seems like Marvel is going to use the multiverse to streamline all that content and bring it under one umbrella and eventually one timeline. It seems like its reaching into its IP past to kinda of spin things out, but will wrap it up by bringing it in. I assume the end of this phase, or whatever this phase is building towards, will be an Endgame like movie that ties up all the lose multiverse threads and we will move forward in 1 timeline, but with some of these earlier IPs that seemed disconnected having their connective tissue explained and therefore keeping those films somewhat relevant to everything that marvel has built. I think the TVA in Loki was corrupt for sure, but maybe the idea of 1 sacred timeline is what is correct and the Avengers will restore that.
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In reply to superaggie73 • 9:24a, 12/16/21
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It's sounding more and more like it has to do with his Clint's wife - maybe she was a spy or agent or something before they got together.
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In reply to Saxsoon • 9:49a, 12/16/21
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Saxsoon said:
I want a scene of Yelena and Thor just drinking
Can we add Star Lord and his Bowflex? To have an exercise session after putting away all those drinks.
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9:57a, 12/16/21
Hawkeye has been surprisingly my favorite Disney+ Marvel show so far. I think it's the street level crime fighting as well as the acting. The acting in this thing is so good. Each character really nails their role in my opinion.

Jack Duquesne is my favorite minor character so far in the TV shows.

They've done such a damn good job of building each episode without it feeling like a filler. Yelena last episode and this episode was not expected as I did little reading beforehand and saw Pugh was casted for Hawkeye. Such a good addition. It feels like this is all naturally tying together as well - it doesn't feel forced, which is a huge accomplishment.

I think the thing I like about it most is that it doesn't feel heavy. No world stakes (but big stakes for Clint and his family), great banter, to notch action (the fight scenes have been really good), and some really good world building with the blip.
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In reply to Cinco Ranch Aggie • 9:58a, 12/16/21
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Saxsoon said:
I want a scene of Yelena and Thor just drinking
Can we add Star Lord and his Bowflex? To have an exercise session after putting away all those drinks.
Man - I really hope they add Yelena to the movie MCU world - it would be awesome. I think she's eventually going to show up there.
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In reply to Beat40 • 10:18a, 12/16/21
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She's was in Black Widow already ???
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In reply to jeffk • 10:20a, 12/16/21
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I'm wondering if she was a Widow. I'm convinced she was a spook of some sort.
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