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*** SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME *** (SPOILER THREAD)

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In reply to [removed post] • 1:39p, 12/19/21
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Right. It could be interpreted that MCU timeline was the sacred timeline and because of Kang being killed and branches no longer being pruned, we have the multiverse and the events of this movie. (And MoM.)

Doesn't necessarily matter that Kang is killed at "the end of time" because we see time starts branching at many different points in the past.
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3:24p, 12/19/21
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Watching Homecoming with the kids and seeing No way home again tonight.

So everything still officially happened in these previous MCU movies but now everyone just forgot that Spider-Man is Peter Parker? When Happy thinks about what he knows about Spider-Man's identity it's all a blur now? And when Happy checks his old text messages and any communication or records identifying Peter as Spider-Man what does he find? That they have been erased?
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4:03p, 12/19/21
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Phenomenal movie. One of the best in the MCU for sure for all the reason mentioned already. I'll be very interested in how they bring back people's memories (IF they do that is). Did the spell wipe the memories of everyone in the universe, or just those on Earth? Nick Fury, Captain Marvel, and plenty of others are off Earth and would know him.
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In reply to The Dog Lord • 4:47p, 12/19/21
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Well it wiped the memories of those in other universes, so one would assume it would effect the entirety of this universe, not just Earth.
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In reply to double aught • 5:35p, 12/19/21
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Yikes. Kinda forgot that the entire point of it all was to prevent beings from other universes from looking for "Peter Parker."

Really sucks if Tobey Maguire's life is screwed up now too since he said he has found some type of balance with having a life and being Spider-Man.
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6:16p, 12/19/21
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Does Electro know who Spider-man is in the original Garfield movie? He seems surprised that he's white in the end of No way Home.
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In reply to The Dog Lord • 7:42p, 12/19/21
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The Dog Lord said:
Yikes. Kinda forgot that the entire point of it all was to prevent beings from other universes from looking for "Peter Parker."

Really sucks if Tobey Maguire's life is screwed up now too since he said he has found some type of balance with having a life and being Spider-Man.


That wasn't the point of it all. The point was to not harm people near Parker because it was public knowledge he was spiderman. The spell was broken but the initial point was never about the others.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 7:44p, 12/19/21
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helloimustbegoing said:
Does Electro know who Spider-man is in the original Garfield movie? He seems surprised that he's white in the end of No way Home.


He knows but he wasn't saying he was surprised in this movie he was saying he was surprised when he found out.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 7:49p, 12/19/21
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helloimustbegoing said:
Does Electro know who Spider-man is in the original Garfield movie? He seems surprised that he's white in the end of No way Home.
I think that Electro is a variant - or found out about Peter sometime after their last big fight.
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In reply to TCTTS • 7:52p, 12/19/21
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TCTTS said:
wangus12 said:
I definitely am more bummed out by the ending than anything, but the movie itself is great and like others of said it's a top 5 comic book movie easily.

I think I just feel bad of Parker. I don't think any other superhero loses or sacrifice as much as he does in terms of regular life. The dude seems to constantly have to lose loved ones, struggles with the double life, is constantly broke etc.

I'm not holding my breath, but I really hope we get a 4th film with him having really taken on the mantles and God willing the little Venom symbiote comes into play. Then you can have the MJ and Ned relationship rebuild as well. She's still wearing the necklace from FFH at the end as well. After all, MJ said she'd figure out his identity again.


What's so brilliant about these three movies is that they were basically a back door way of getting us to the "default" Peter Parker/Spider-Man we love, but also feel so bad for. I remember people b*tching about the idea of Stark giving Peter all that tech/support in Civil War/Homecoming. Which was certainly fun, but the argument was that it didn't feel quite right that this Peter wasn't "struggling" as much as we knew Peter could/should. In a way, Stark felt like a cheat code. When, in reality, it was all set-up to get us to the "default" version of Peter/Spider-Man we finally see in the last few minutes of NWH. And it's almost MORE poignant this way, because we've now seen how much he's lost, just to essentially get to the version we had in Tobey at the end of act one of the first movie. Which, yeah, I think looked/felt the same by design, in terms of his apartment, shinier suit, etc.


Honestly this is one of my problems with this movie. I felt the mcu take on spiderman was different and that was cool. In this movie, they took away things that made this iteration unique and just made him like a very other Spider-Man down to the damn uncle Ben line.

I enjoyed this movie, but honest for me this was a bit lazy and in the story choices. I think it succeeded because there is so much good acting on the screen that even though it's a bit tired of a story imo, they execute it about as perfectly as possible.


For me after one watch I'm not even thinking about this as a top 5 mcu film and I think given time.people will like this one less.
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7:57p, 12/19/21
The back problems were a hilarious call back
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In reply to MBAR • 7:59p, 12/19/21
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I know it wasn't about the others, but if people from other universes were being drawn because they thought Tom Holland was "their" Peter Parker, does the second spell mean they also forget Peter Parker in their universe? I guess the spell could have been to forget Peter Parker exists in universe 199999 only. This doesn't really matter since I don't think we will ever see them again, but it just made me wonder.
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8:57p, 12/19/21
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Anyone notice that Tom's face had a cut that matches Tobey's scar on his right cheek at the end of the movie? Thought that was a nice touch.
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8:58p, 12/19/21
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There are a lot of plot holes or "what the heck?" moments in this movie (which is why, while I really enjoyed it, I'd still rank it below Homecoming). You can either forgive them and enjoy the movie for its strengths, or knock it down a peg or two for them.

- If every villain was summoned from the moment right before they died fighting Spider-Man, does that mean they'll each get sent back to the moment before they died fighting spider-man? In which case, great, you spent all this time and effort curing them, but they still go back to the moment of their death?
- Why can Ned so easily open magic portals? Anyone upset that Rey could use the force on a storm trooper in Star Wars should be equally annoyed that Ned can accidentally open portals.
- Why didn't Ned continue opening portals to Peter Parker after finding Andrew and Tobey? He finds them and is then all "shucks, we'll never find our guy." Just do it one more time
- How does Happy get through a police cordon to pull in front of his apartment at the end of the big apartment fight? Shouldn't that have been blocked off?
- What exactly *was* sandman's goal in this movie? Sometimes he's siding with Peter to get sent home to his daughter, but then at the end he's fighting against Peter to delay going home?
- As others have mentioned, this "forgetfulness" spell is majorly problematic. Happy appears to remember Spider-Man connected him to Aunt May. But he doesn't recognize Peter Parker. So if he remember Spider-Man connected him to May, why does he think that is? He obviously doesn't remember Spider-man was her ward. Does he think they were roommates and Spider-Man never took off his mask? What? Or what about MJ, will she still remember that Spider-Man was there at the Washington Monument *and* at every stop of the school trip in Europe? If she forgets those things, does everyone else? Does this mean Peter no longer has a social security card or birth record? And yeah, what about all the other universes - does MJ no longer know Tobey's Peter Parker?

It all does detract from the movie for me, but it doesn't ruin it, because everything else was so dang fun.
Thanks and gig'em
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9:29p, 12/19/21
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Some of that I agree with. But some of that I think would just be too impossible to elaborate on fully (specifically the forget spell) in the brief amount of time they needed to commit to it.

I imagine those affected by the spell just have a vague recollection of similar-enough things. Spider-Man worked with Iron Man, he made a few charity appearances with May, so Happy met May somewhere in there. MJ's friends were in Europe, Spider-Man stopped a few threats, things got close but everything worked out. Where did she get this black dahlia necklace? I dunno, can't remember, maybe a Christmas gift or something.

At least that's how it is in a video game I just played. Seemed well-timed!
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10:10p, 12/19/21
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Saw it this afternoon. Awesome movie.

My only question is why did Venom/Eddie get pulled through? I thought only people connected to Peter Parker were coming through. Am I wrong that there was no Peter Parker/Spider-Man for them to be connected to in that universe?
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In reply to Quincey P. Morris • 10:27p, 12/19/21
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I think the Morbius trailer showed some Spider-Man graffiti on a wall… suggesting Spider-Man exists in that world.

Still don't know how Venom knows anything about him, though.

Here's a positive thought - maybe this means Tom Holland's Spider-Man belongs in the MCU, and those ****ty Sony movies will have some other Spider-Man and never be part of the MCU. (DC is about to have two Batman universes existing simultaneously. Why can't Marvel and Sony share like that?)
Thanks and gig'em
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10:28p, 12/19/21
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Tobey seeing movie audiences going crazy.

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10:30p, 12/19/21
geez...we just got back from theater and i've got a lot of reading to do on this thread, but WOW, what a movie.

after the brilliance of "into the spiderverse", i was very concerned when i heard about all the multiverse chatter about this one. but man, they really did pull it off.

apparently it's not for everybody, but i love it when the theater audience reacts. gives me the "peter tingles" (not that peter)
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10:57p, 12/19/21
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Strange's spell only affects Hollands Spidey-verse. Basically his version of Peter Parker has never existed. I posted earlier, but everything ever tied to Peter was deleted. School events, government records, pictures on MJs phone. All gone. They changed the original spell of everyone forgetting he's Spider-Man to everyone just forgetting Peter Parker.

The Spidey 2 and 3 just finished "fixing" their villains, so I imagine when they get sent back to their universes a different "fate" will commence.

They've already set there will be a Spider-Man 4. And with a drop of venom staying behind in Mexico we have the next villain set up. I imagine Kingpin (spidey in the Hawkeye finale would be sweet), Morbius, and some other big Spidey bad will show up. Rhino, Kraven, some form of Goblin are all possibilities as well.

The venom mid-credits scene is perplexing to say the least. How does that tie to the post credit scene from the last venom? Was he already in Hollands universe in that scene?
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Best part for me was when terrible Venom garbage got yanked back to his universe.
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If we get Kingpin, we'll need the Black Cat to make an appearance for reasons.
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In reply to MBAR • 12:30a, 12/20/21
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MBAR said:
TCTTS said:
wangus12 said:
I definitely am more bummed out by the ending than anything, but the movie itself is great and like others of said it's a top 5 comic book movie easily.

I think I just feel bad of Parker. I don't think any other superhero loses or sacrifice as much as he does in terms of regular life. The dude seems to constantly have to lose loved ones, struggles with the double life, is constantly broke etc.

I'm not holding my breath, but I really hope we get a 4th film with him having really taken on the mantles and God willing the little Venom symbiote comes into play. Then you can have the MJ and Ned relationship rebuild as well. She's still wearing the necklace from FFH at the end as well. After all, MJ said she'd figure out his identity again.


What's so brilliant about these three movies is that they were basically a back door way of getting us to the "default" Peter Parker/Spider-Man we love, but also feel so bad for. I remember people b*tching about the idea of Stark giving Peter all that tech/support in Civil War/Homecoming. Which was certainly fun, but the argument was that it didn't feel quite right that this Peter wasn't "struggling" as much as we knew Peter could/should. In a way, Stark felt like a cheat code. When, in reality, it was all set-up to get us to the "default" version of Peter/Spider-Man we finally see in the last few minutes of NWH. And it's almost MORE poignant this way, because we've now seen how much he's lost, just to essentially get to the version we had in Tobey at the end of act one of the first movie. Which, yeah, I think looked/felt the same by design, in terms of his apartment, shinier suit, etc.


Honestly this is one of my problems with this movie. I felt the mcu take on spiderman was different and that was cool. In this movie, they took away things that made this iteration unique and just made him like a very other Spider-Man down to the damn uncle Ben line.

I enjoyed this movie, but honest for me this was a bit lazy and in the story choices. I think it succeeded because there is so much good acting on the screen that even though it's a bit tired of a story imo, they execute it about as perfectly as possible.


For me after one watch I'm not even thinking about this as a top 5 mcu film and I think given time.people will like this one less.


Not a chance. This one is top 2 or top 3 (depending how much you liked both Infinity Saga movies).

As for me:
Infinity War
No Way Home
Endgame

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6:46a, 12/20/21
The Venom angle is that the symbiotes are a hive mind that stretches across universes. So Venom in Toby's universe knew pp = Spider-Man, so that venom did too. That's why he recognized him on the TV.
Not saying it's a great reason, but I think that's the angle.
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9:27a, 12/20/21
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$587M worldwide.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:30a, 12/20/21
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$587M worldwide.
that seems good.

i couldn't be happier...i actually kinda felt like Marvel needed this one. i know about Sony's involvement and I'm not even talking about the money as much as making a good film.

the disney+ series have been hit or miss, black widow and shang chi were middle of the pack and eternals was a disaster. given the ambition of no way home, if it had not been well received, it would've been cause for real concern.

with hawkeye being such a pleasant surprise and no way home just killing it, feels like all is right again.
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In reply to jackie childs • 10:33a, 12/20/21
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Are you saying Hawkeye was better than Wandavision and Loki?
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:40a, 12/20/21
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
Are you saying Hawkeye was better than Wandavision and Loki?
So far I'll say definitely better than Loki. On par with Wandavision.
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10:46a, 12/20/21
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Yeah, I enjoy Hawkeye more than the other D+ Marvel shows. Not saying it's holistically better, but it's hitting better for me personally.
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11:20a, 12/20/21
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I don't have much to add that hasn't been gone over here but this is the first movie that did a big "Hey look don't worry about the plot mechanics, we're here to have fun" that I didn't really mind.

The spell stuff is just utter nonsense but the movie was so enjoyable that it doesn't bother me.
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11:27a, 12/20/21
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So I saw No Way Home on Friday, on Sunday they showed Infinity War and Endgame back to back. I dabbled with each a couple times during the day. Seeing them juxtaposed with No Way Home gives me more appreciation for No Way Home in all honesty, on a stand alone basis that is. When you do the Avengers movies the stakes need to be at the highest possible level, end of the world, it makes sense to me that way.

But it also reinforced how much I like the Watts trilogy as a coming of age story. He's the only one of the Avengers that's a kid. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Ant Man, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Shang Chi, etc are all adults, they have a completely different perspective on life than a kid that's trying to get into college and hang out with his friends. I'm 41, I have a completely different perspective than when I saw the Maguire films, but the entire MCU outside of the Spiderman films has been a completely adult perspective. When you boil it all down I like the movies that are easier to share with my kid, I have appreciation for both, but man Watts gets it and he's making the story I want to see more of the most.

This feels like a sea change, kind of how the MCU switched after The Winter Soldier and they went all in on the Russo Brothers. 2 of the films post-Endgame are his, Far From Home and No Way Home. We are still getting Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, etc soon but with all those have going, I'd be lying if I said any of them would be higher on my list than a Spiderman 4.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 11:32a, 12/20/21
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Are you saying Hawkeye was better than Wandavision and Loki?
no, i said the disney+ shows have been hit or miss. i think the hits have been loki, hawkeye and wandavision (that's the order I'd rank them too), but we're coming off "what if..." which I'd consider a miss.

my point in calling out hawkeye at the end was because it's the most recent series and it's been a good one. a few weeks ago, the most recent series was "what if..." and the most recent movie was eternals. i feel much better about hawkeye/no way home.
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