TCTTS said:I love this response from David is perfect. pic.twitter.com/Pu6q9Nl4MR
— Kal L (Gone til the 8th) (@KalClarkSupes) July 6, 2025
Well said.FL_Ag1998 said:Gigem314 said:Those are very clear-cut issues though. Good vs. evil. And his character was a great way to showcase that.Quad Dog said:
Superman is a character created by two second generation Jewish immigrants in 1938.
He has always been a reflection of whatever modern society needed him to be and an allegory for modern issues for 87 years.
Literally in his first comic he fights a wife beater and a crooked Senator. The "American Way" saying was added in 1952 for the original TV show during the Red Scare. His radio show helped fight the KKK. Silver Age Superman was even more progressive. He wrote on the Moon for all to see "Do good to others and every man can be a Superman."
Trying to use him for subjective social commentary today isn't a good idea IMO and it cheapens the character.
I agree with this, and that's why I hope that the movie sticks with the generalized sentiment of treating others with respect and kindness, and veers away from pointed current political statements. But the point is I'm willing to see the actual movie first before I start performative raging.
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AgfromHOU said:Sea Speed said:
Of course that all coincides with trump 45 and the political left getting up in arms about immigration. Surely that was just happenstance.
Movie was written like three years ago
Sea Speed said:AgfromHOU said:Sea Speed said:
Of course that all coincides with trump 45 and the political left getting up in arms about immigration. Surely that was just happenstance.
Movie was written like three years ago
I was clearly referencing the comics that were posted.
This looks like a fictional news broadcast I would expect to see within the Superman movie itself pic.twitter.com/t0cQ9kA0dp
— Paul Tassi (@PaulTassi) July 7, 2025
Didn't you know Krypton was destroyed by climate change denial?YouBet said:
That last tweet is hilarious. "Denied climate change and science". Let's shoehorn in even more political b.s.
Zero issue with Superman being an immigrant. It's integral to his story. But I also don't think you can equate a fictional, God level space alien with someone from Mexico sneaking into Texas.
To Gunn, I can be kind and still say illegal immigrants should follow the legal path to get there like millions before them have.
It's the sane, common sense approach to this issue and is better for all if adhered to.
Its just youschmendeler said:
I think there's a certain group of people that in their hearts know that what is happening in current events is pretty ****ty and are therefore overly sensitive to anything other than feigned objectivity in their media consumption.
Maybe it's just me.
E.T. : An immigrant storyschmendeler said:
Never hearing him described that way doesn't change his story. How is he not an immigrant?
Gigem314 said:Those are very clear-cut issues though. Good vs. evil. And his character was a great way to showcase that.Quad Dog said:
Superman is a character created by two second generation Jewish immigrants in 1938.
He has always been a reflection of whatever modern society needed him to be and an allegory for modern issues for 87 years.
Literally in his first comic he fights a wife beater and a crooked Senator. The "American Way" saying was added in 1952 for the original TV show during the Red Scare. His radio show helped fight the KKK. Silver Age Superman was even more progressive. He wrote on the Moon for all to see "Do good to others and every man can be a Superman."
Trying to use him for subjective social commentary today isn't a good idea IMO and it cheapens the character.
This thread was ruined days ago by this crap. TC, who takes any Hollywood criticism personally, and the rest of the usual suspects who live to spar with him can't seem to let it go, so we're pages into that nonsense with little real talk about the movie itself that doesn't involve politics/"progressives"/etc.fig96 said:the most cool guy said:Quad Dog said:
Superman is a character created by two second generation Jewish immigrants in 1938.
He has always been a reflection of whatever modern society needed him to be and an allegory for modern issues for 87 years.
Literally in his first comic he fights a wife beater and a crooked Senator. The "American Way" saying was added in 1952 for the original TV show during the Red Scare. His radio show helped fight the KKK. Silver Age Superman was even more progressive. He wrote on the Moon for all to see "Do good to others and every man can be a Superman."
Let's take these in order.
1. The overwhelming majority of so-called "progressives" in this country are utterly anti-Jewish, and it's not even debatable.
2. The overwhelming majority of so-called "progressives" in this country fully supported a male violently beating the **** out of a woman in a boxing ring, just because said male decided that he was a woman in his mind.
3. The so-called "progressives" in this country willingly put members of the Clinton family and the Biden family up as candidates in the last three presidential elections. I don't need to go through the full list because Burisma and the Clinton Foundation alone have exemplified more obvious corruption out of so-called "progressives" than we have ever seen out of anyone on the other side of the aisle.
4. So-called "progressives" in this country are the only ones openly advocating for race-based discrimination, and the party of the so-called "progressives" is the one that founded the KKK.
5. So-called "progressives" in this country are the driving force behind cancel culture: if a person sins against the arbitrary moving target of leftist ideals, they are not treated with dignity and no good is done to them. They are ostracized, humiliated, threatened, and insulted until the mob grows tired and moves on. There is no forgiveness in modern so-called "progressivism." Also, modern so-called "progressivism" is morally relativistic. There is no foundation for such a thing as "good" or "evil." Good has no meaning beyond whatever is politically expedient for the "progressive" agenda. There can be no "good" done because what is "good" is fluid and therefore meaningless.
Nothing about Superman has anything to do with modern so-called "progressivism."
Let's take these in order:
1. Please don't ruin this thread. If you really want to debate modern views of party vs party take it somewhere else, because there is no way this ends with the thread being readable. You're going from debating meaning or intent to straight politics.
I get that there is probably going to be debate around the film, but at this point we have no idea what is or isn't in the film so let's at least wait to cross that bridge when we come to it.
Politicizing a blockbuster, that you're using to get a franchise up off the ground, is stupid.Quote:
My main point was that Superman, among other characters, was created and used to make various political points and messages through the years(admittedly less so for Superman the last~40 years). So doing so in 2025 shouldn't be a shocking event.
20ag07 said:Politicizing a blockbuster, that you're using to get a franchise up off the ground, is stupid.Quote:
My main point was that Superman, among other characters, was created and used to make various political points and messages through the years(admittedly less so for Superman the last~40 years). So doing so in 2025 shouldn't be a shocking event.
When the fanbase you need is old white dudes.
My 10yo could have told him "don't say that".
Here's the thing.Quote:
Almost all of our favorite media has since hidden politics in it to various degrees. The best media that stands the test of time usually has someone to say too
But up till now no one had written a blog post.MooreTrucker said:This thread was ruined days ago by this crap. TC, who takes any Hollywood criticism personally, and the rest of the usual suspects who live to spar with him can't seem to let it go, so we're pages into that nonsense with little real talk about the movie itself that doesn't involve politics/"progressives"/etc.fig96 said:the most cool guy said:Quad Dog said:
Superman is a character created by two second generation Jewish immigrants in 1938.
He has always been a reflection of whatever modern society needed him to be and an allegory for modern issues for 87 years.
Literally in his first comic he fights a wife beater and a crooked Senator. The "American Way" saying was added in 1952 for the original TV show during the Red Scare. His radio show helped fight the KKK. Silver Age Superman was even more progressive. He wrote on the Moon for all to see "Do good to others and every man can be a Superman."
Let's take these in order.
1. The overwhelming majority of so-called "progressives" in this country are utterly anti-Jewish, and it's not even debatable.
2. The overwhelming majority of so-called "progressives" in this country fully supported a male violently beating the **** out of a woman in a boxing ring, just because said male decided that he was a woman in his mind.
3. The so-called "progressives" in this country willingly put members of the Clinton family and the Biden family up as candidates in the last three presidential elections. I don't need to go through the full list because Burisma and the Clinton Foundation alone have exemplified more obvious corruption out of so-called "progressives" than we have ever seen out of anyone on the other side of the aisle.
4. So-called "progressives" in this country are the only ones openly advocating for race-based discrimination, and the party of the so-called "progressives" is the one that founded the KKK.
5. So-called "progressives" in this country are the driving force behind cancel culture: if a person sins against the arbitrary moving target of leftist ideals, they are not treated with dignity and no good is done to them. They are ostracized, humiliated, threatened, and insulted until the mob grows tired and moves on. There is no forgiveness in modern so-called "progressivism." Also, modern so-called "progressivism" is morally relativistic. There is no foundation for such a thing as "good" or "evil." Good has no meaning beyond whatever is politically expedient for the "progressive" agenda. There can be no "good" done because what is "good" is fluid and therefore meaningless.
Nothing about Superman has anything to do with modern so-called "progressivism."
Let's take these in order:
1. Please don't ruin this thread. If you really want to debate modern views of party vs party take it somewhere else, because there is no way this ends with the thread being readable. You're going from debating meaning or intent to straight politics.
I get that there is probably going to be debate around the film, but at this point we have no idea what is or isn't in the film so let's at least wait to cross that bridge when we come to it.
Quad Dog said:
I'll agree with you there. Generally the less said by creators about themes before a release the better. There is done period of time after release where it works better.
But that is the modern trend to talk about all that stuff way to soon.
20ag07 said:
For fun, this is the time to remind everyone that Gunn divorced America's sweetheart at the time Pam Beasley from The Office to marry an American Pie actress…that he was introduced to by no other than 150 episode Lex Luthor actor.
Nathan Fillion on MAGA backlash to James Gunn calling Superman an immigrant: "Somebody needs a hug. It's just a movie guys." pic.twitter.com/MzVNZMKZ72
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Sean Gunn on the new Superman movie: "It is about how we support immigrants and if you don't like it, you're not an American" pic.twitter.com/ugYiYqrphe
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) July 8, 2025
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— Perri Nemiroff (@PNemiroff) July 8, 2025
#Superman perfectly understands what it means to be human. It’s a powerful and promising start to the new DCU.
— The Hollywood Handle (@HollywoodHandle) July 8, 2025
The film moves you by revealing the heart behind the cape.
David is phenomenal but a huge highlight is how Nicholas Hoult delivers a phenomenal Lex Luthor — cold,… pic.twitter.com/dRhVLHPTy1
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— Erik Davis (@ErikDavis) July 8, 2025
Before I saw Superman I had zero idea Beck Bennett was in it. He made me laugh out loud three time in an already deep and loaded cast.
— Mike Ryan (@mikeryan) July 8, 2025
SUPERMAN: Gosh, I absolutely loved this. James Gunn's feature-length comic book splash page is so unapologetically silly, earnest, and intentionally corny that it utterly charmed me. Left a big, stupid smile on my face by the end. pic.twitter.com/5iKqTmUQFm
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