Is this supposed to be an argument? You've been confronted and cornered by the fact that this movie is unadulterated trash in every possible way, and your only response is posting some tweets about "LOL this movie wasn't meant for white males in their 30s and 40s anyway LOL." First, that's false. That is the largest demographic of fathers whose daughters would be watching this movie. Second, taking a culturally significant and wholesome work of fiction like the Snow White film, and very intentionally trying to subvert every part of it to push a destructive political agenda, is something that every person regardless of external characteristics is perfectly justified in caring about.

I've seen you defend some pretty indefensible things on this board before in name of toeing the leftist line and being a Hollywood goaltender. But this is really, REALLY low. If you are so partisan that you can't leave this thread alone and just take the L on what is unquestionably a bad movie, please do not ever pretend that you are even remotely objective in the future when it comes to politics in movies.

Holy Crap. The fact that it doesn't occur to those people at all that "Grown men" might have daughters is really something.

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Gatekeeping for your daughters and endlessly whining on the internet are two completely different things.

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At least he has both going for him. You only whine about what other grown men think.

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Is this supposed to be an argument? You've been confronted and cornered by the fact that this movie is unadulterated trash in every possible way, and your only response is posting some tweets about "LOL this movie wasn't meant for white males in their 30s and 40s anyway LOL." First, that's false. That is the largest demographic of fathers whose daughters would be watching this movie. Second, taking a culturally significant and wholesome work of fiction like the Snow White film, and very intentionally trying to subvert every part of it to push a destructive political agenda, is something that every person regardless of external characteristics is perfectly justified in caring about.

I've seen you defend some pretty indefensible things on this board before in name of toeing the leftist line and being a Hollywood goaltender. But this is really, REALLY low. If you are so partisan that you can't leave this thread alone and just take the L on what is unquestionably a bad movie, please do not ever pretend that you are even remotely objective in the future when it comes to politics in movies.

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How does this film accomplish this? What part of it pushes a destructive political agenda?

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Holy Crap. The fact that it doesn't occur to those people at all that "Grown men" might have daughters is really something.

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Again, there's a difference between simply "having daughters" and the cringe amount of rage grown men are expressing on the internet. You can be upset about this movie for whatever reasons all you want. Knock yourself out. It's the endless, gleeful, psychotically-over-the-top levels of complaining on the internet that's objectively weird.

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No, I think the objectively weird thing is changing Snow White into a ridiculous tale of feminist glory starring a non-white chick who hates the source material and is way worse looking than Gal Gadot, and then attempting to change the dwarves into the 7 diverse, non-binary forest dwelling individuals before getting so much blowback that they switched back to dwarves, but not real dwarves, just CGI dwarfs because Peter Dinklage speaks for all dwarves and proclaimed that no dwarf actor anywhere should get to be in the movie, even if they wanted to.

If you think the reaction to all of that is "objectively" weird but the foregoing is not way more weird, you have a problem.

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Holy Crap. The fact that it doesn't occur to those people at all that "Grown men" might have daughters is really something.

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Again, there's a difference between simply "having daughters" and the cringe amount of rage grown men are expressing on the internet. You can be upset about this movie for whatever reasons all you want. Knock yourselves out. It's the endless, gleeful, psychotically-over-the-top levels of complaining on the internet that's objectively weird.

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I made specific reference to those tweets asking why grown men care about the movie, not the "endless, gleeful, psychotically-over-the-top levels of complaining on the internet" and it obviously never occurred to those people that grown men might have daughters.

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Can you provide some examples from the movie that make it "woke" in your opinion?

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I understand they rather than made her some girlboss rebellion leader like Princess Leia rather than looking for a husband like the original story. Rather than her cleaning the dwarves' home in exchange for her living there, she basically bosses them into cleaning their own home because of feminism, I guess. And of course, the whole race thing where they can't have a white actress play the part of Snow WHITE.

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Disney blockbusters that opened worse domestically than Snow White…

$39.9M = Maleficent: Mistress of Evil… went on to make $491 world wide.
$39.0M = Wonka… went on to make $634M world wide.
$35.4M = Mufasa… went on to make $717M world wide.
$29.5M = Elemental... went on to make $496 world wide.

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How do I know that Wonka was not a Disney movie and you don't?

And the problem with your proposal that somehow a Disney bomb equals success is that Snow White has terrible word of mouth while these others did not.

And the latest box office projections that Disney did not meet were revised downward from $70-80M domestically just weeks ago (but you know that). Everything is going in the wrong direction from downwardly revised box office projections to reviews to word of mouth.

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Holy Crap. The fact that it doesn't occur to those people at all that "Grown men" might have daughters is really something.

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They didn't even come up with their own thoughts. Very obvious syncronized talking point of blah blah "grown men". Wouldn't be at all surprised to learn leftist NGO's funded that twitter cry fest.

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Is this supposed to be an argument? You've been confronted and cornered by the fact that this movie is unadulterated trash in every possible way, and your only response is posting some tweets about "LOL this movie wasn't meant for white males in their 30s and 40s anyway LOL." First, that's false. That is the largest demographic of fathers whose daughters would be watching this movie. Second, taking a culturally significant and wholesome work of fiction like the Snow White film, and very intentionally trying to subvert every part of it to push a destructive political agenda, is something that every person regardless of external characteristics is perfectly justified in caring about.

I've seen you defend some pretty indefensible things on this board before in name of toeing the leftist line and being a Hollywood goaltender. But this is really, REALLY low. If you are so partisan that you can't leave this thread alone and just take the L on what is unquestionably a bad movie, please do not ever pretend that you are even remotely objective in the future when it comes to politics in movies.

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I'm sorry, but you sound legitimately insane.

Like, I cannot believe this is a real post from a real human being getting this upset over... I don't know what.

Especially when I've said over and over and over and over again that I think this movie looks like trash and I wouldn't be at all mad if it failed, as long as it sends a message to Disney to stop doing these soulless live-action remakes.

"I've seen you defend some pretty indefensible things on this board before in name of toeing the leftist line and being a Hollywood goaltender. But this is really, REALLY low."

Ha, what in the hell are you even taking about?

Seriously... listen to yourselves.

Some of you are filled with SO MUCH RAGE.

Over a princess movie!

This isn't healthy.

Where was all the outrage when Brandy, Whitney Houston and Whoopi Goldberg were cast in Cinderella?

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Holy Crap. The fact that it doesn't occur to those people at all that "Grown men" might have daughters is really something.

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Again, there's a difference between simply "having daughters" and the cringe amount of rage grown men are expressing on the internet. You can be upset about this movie for whatever reasons all you want. Knock yourself out. It's the endless, gleeful, psychotically-over-the-top levels of complaining on the internet that's objectively weird.

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No, I think the objectively weird thing is changing Snow White into a ridiculous tale of feminist glory starring a non-white chick who hates the source material and is way worse looking than Gal Gadot, and then attempting to change the dwarves into the 7 diverse, non-binary forest dwelling individuals before getting so much blowback that they switched back to dwarves, but not real dwarves, just CGI dwarfs because Peter Dinklage speaks for all dwarves and proclaimed that no dwarf actor anywhere should get to be in the movie, even if they wanted to.

If you think the reaction to all of that is "objectively" weird but the foregoing is not way more weird, you have a problem.

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you should really watch the movie. It isn't a "tale of Feminist Glory", the forest dwelling individuals never discuss their gender (they are a band of chaotic good thieves), it's acknowledged the Evil Queen is quite beautiful but that beauty is only skin deep because she is an awful person at heart, and Snow White is only awakened by a kiss from her true love.

They do have CGI dwarves which aren't terrible, but aren't great either. They tried to mimic a lot of the features of the dwarves in the cartoon which doesn't always play well. Think of a 3d version of Homer Simpson, it's just odd and looks off.

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Is this supposed to be an argument? You've been confronted and cornered by the fact that this movie is unadulterated trash in every possible way, and your only response is posting some tweets about "LOL this movie wasn't meant for white males in their 30s and 40s anyway LOL." First, that's false. That is the largest demographic of fathers whose daughters would be watching this movie. Second, taking a culturally significant and wholesome work of fiction like the Snow White film, and very intentionally trying to subvert every part of it to push a destructive political agenda, is something that every person regardless of external characteristics is perfectly justified in caring about.

I've seen you defend some pretty indefensible things on this board before in name of toeing the leftist line and being a Hollywood goaltender. But this is really, REALLY low. If you are so partisan that you can't leave this thread alone and just take the L on what is unquestionably a bad movie, please do not ever pretend that you are even remotely objective in the future when it comes to politics in movies.

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I'm sorry, but you sound legitimately insane.

Like, I cannot believe this is a real post from a real human being getting this upset over... I don't know what.

Especially when I've said over and over and over and over again that I think this movie looks like trash and I wouldn't be at all mad if it failed, as long as it sends a message to Disney to stop doing these soulless live-action remakes.

"I've seen you defend some pretty indefensible things on this board before in name of toeing the leftist line and being a Hollywood goaltender. But this is really, REALLY low."

Ha, what in the hell are you even taking about?

Seriously... listen to yourselves.

Some of you are filled with SO MUCH RAGE.

Over a princess movie!

This isn't healthy.

Good Lord.

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She falls in love with the leader of the bandits



and is only awakened by his kiss.




The Dwarves home is a mess



She only stays there for a night or two

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Disney blockbusters that opened worse domestically than Snow White…

$39.9M = Maleficent: Mistress of Evil… went on to make $491 world wide.
$39.0M = Wonka… went on to make $634M world wide.
$35.4M = Mufasa… went on to make $717M world wide.
$29.5M = Elemental... went on to make $496 world wide.

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How do I know that Wonka was not a Disney movie and you don't?

And the problem with your proposal that somehow a Disney bomb equals success is that Snow White has terrible word of mouth while these others did not.

And the latest box office projections that Disney did not meet were revised downward from $70-80M domestically just weeks ago (but you know that). Everything is going in the wrong direction from downwardly revised box office projections to reviews to word of mouth.

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Just below that, I LITERALLY said it has "low-to-average world of mouth" and is going to underperform.

I swear, interacting with some of you feels like taking crazy pills sometimes.

You quoted my post, purposefully cut out half of it, then, in chastising fashion, basically repeated back to me what I said as if I didn't say it all.

I quoted your error about Wonka being a Disney movie as a reference for you to see. There was no reason to quote anything else.

And now, you have responded to everything but what I quoted about Wonka not be a Disney movie. I swear, interacting with some of you feels like taking crazy pills sometimes.

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If you think the reaction to all of that is "objectively" weird but the foregoing is not way more weird, you have a problem.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Can you provide some examples from the movie that make it "woke" in your opinion?

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The casting of a nasty outspoken hyper-woke feminist who was basically railing against the original/traditional story of Snow White (which is what people love) months before the movie was even released...likely to the horror and dismay of the investors backing this movie lol.

Does casting a super woke lead who won't shut up about how woke they are and how awful and offensive the franchise is count?

There is also the intentional race-switching of Snow White with a "person of color"
(lol, how is that any different than my Grandfather saying "colored person" back in the 1940's? Silly libs...) which some could argue might qualify as "woke". It's certainly something that doesn't really go both ways in entertainment.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Could it be that there's a very slim chance that you're never wrong, a similarly slim chance that I'm never wrong, and a much better than average chance that the truth lies somewhere in the middle?

Hence pot, kettle.

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If they hadn't revised the cast, script, etc. I think it'd be much easier to claim it's not political. It's too muddled now to say the end product isn't the result of CYA precisely because it was, and is now a milquetoast product hoping to scrape by, despite still not having a prince. You simply can't unring the bell.

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That's fair but I think also gets into a really gray area.

Similar to The Acolyte, did the creators' intent negatively affect the show? Quite possibly, but at the same time the discussion around those viewpoints was far more prominent than any content that appeared in the actual end product (which kind of sounds like the case here as well from those who have seen it).

In the end we'll never truly know exactly what resulted in what, it's all conjecture on the viewers side. Sometimes creators just make bad decisions.

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Didn't the creator of that show brag about how gay she was making Star Wars or something to that effect? Maybe one day these directors and lead actresses of the shows will learn to just keep their mouths shut and quit talking about their activism instead of the content of the movie? That mainstream America exists outside of their weird little self-reinforcing hyper-woke echo chamber bubbles? Nah, probably not.

Honestly, many Americans have reached their limit when it comes to the activism and preachiness. It's a huge turnoff. Whether it's actually in the movie, or just talked about by the creators/actors before the movie even comes out.

We get it, it offends or upsets some of you that people take more than just the actual movie itself into consideration. Unless it's a movie like "Sound of Freedom" of course lol.

It's so obvious that so much of y'alls nonsense comes from having no idea how this **** works in the first place.

Disney didn't actively cast a "super woke lead who won't shut up about how woke they are."

They didn't set out to cast the most woke person they could.

That's ridiculous.

Steven Spielberg cast Zegler out of obscurity - literally, while she was still in high school - as the lead in his remake of West Side Story, which she shot when she was 18 years old.

She ended up killing it in that role, in which she showcased a hell of a singing voice, and was then cast in Snow White on the hells of West Side Story at age 20. THAT'S why Disney cast her as Snow White - because she was anointed by our greatest living director, was a big, up-and-coming talent, and has a hell of a singing voice.

She didn't "go woke" until AFTER she was cast in Snow White. At least not publicly in any way that matters. In other words, Disney had no idea who they were dealing with in that regard or what she was going to end up saying in interviews.

Either way, there's ZERO chance they're not banging their heads against the wall due to her shenanigans. Turns out she's also a bratty, entitled, ill-formed political activists who's never known rejection in this business, and I guarantee you Disney wants her to shut up as much as you do.

That said... she's also ONLY 23.

She's a kid.

One who was handed an insane amount of celebrity at an early, formative age.

I'm not a fan either - her personality is rather grating - but I'm also choosing to extend a little grace, knowing how horrified I'd be if the whole world (especially rage-filled keyboard warriors) judged me based on some of the things I said and did in my early twenties.

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Gatekeeping for your daughters and endlessly whining on the internet are two completely different things.

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Feel free to stop responding if it bothers you that much. No need to insult other posters.

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This is what's funny to me...we have a debate going, between people complaining about the woke actress and other people whining that others are complaining. The latter group is so offended that one implied that I'm basically a bad father because i took a few minutes out of my day to make a few replies on this thread yesterday.

They are clearly very upset and rattled that people are judging this movie without seeing it lol...to the point of personal insults. The left just gets very ugly and trashy when they are offended. Look at them destroying and vandalizing Teslas at the moment. Completele disregard for the fact that a large % of Tesla owners are democrat lol.

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FWIW

Nothing actually confirms Snow White to be in relation to her skin color. The original passage from the Brothers Grimm is as follows:

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Once upon a time in midwinter, when the snowflakes were falling like feathers from heaven, a queen sat sewing at her window, which had a frame of black ebony wood. As she sewed she looked up at the snow and *****ed her finger with her needle. Three drops of blood fell into the snow. The red on the white looked so beautiful that she thought to herself, "If only I had a child as white as snow, as red as blood, and as black as the wood in this frame."

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Disney could have cast Snow White as a Black woman if they wanted.

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*Cough* bull**** *cough*

Try, "If only I had a child who had skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood, and hair as black as the wood in this frame."

"If only I had a child as white as snow, as red as blood, and as black as the wood in this frame," makes absolutely no ****ing sense because it's just doing for a multicolored child. It especially makes no sense in the context of German folklore typically centered around a time when being pale was a sign of status and health.

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It makes zero difference whether it was a Disney movie or not. Same general audience and the point still remains.

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You called Wonka a "Disney blockbuster", not me.

And Wonka came out of the weekend with good word of mouth. Huge difference.

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It's so obvious that so much of y'alls nonsense comes from having no idea how this **** works in the first place.

Disney didn't actively cast a "super woke lead who won't shut up about how woke they are."

They didn't set out to cast the most woke person they could.

That's ridiculous.

Steven Spielberg cast Zegler out of obscurity - literally, while she was still in high school - as the lead in his remake of West Side Story, which she shot when she was 18 years old.

She ended up killing it in that role, in which she showcased a hell of a singing voice, and was then cast in Snow White on the hells of West Side Story at age 20. THAT'S why Disney cast her as Snow White - because she was anointed by our greatest living director, was a big, up-and-coming talent, and has a hell of a singing voice.

She didn't "go woke" until AFTER she was cast in Snow White. At least not publicly in any way that matters. In other words, Disney had no idea who they were dealing with in that regard or what she was going to end up saying in interviews.

Either way, there's ZERO chance they're not banging their heads against the wall due to her shenanigans. Turns out she's also a bratty, entitled, ill-formed political activists who's never known rejection in this business, and I guarantee you Disney wants her to shut up as much as you do.

That said... she's also ONLY 23.

She's a kid.

One who was handed an insane amount of celebrity at an early, formative age.

I'm not a fan either - her personality is rather grating - but I'm also choosing to extend a little grace, knowing how horrified I'd be if the whole world (especially rage-filled keyboard warriors) judged me based on some of the things I said and did in my early twenties.

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LOL, ok, my point still stands. But go ahead and split hairs over my verbiage re: "casting". I clearly said several times on this thread that this had to have p*ssed off and horrified the $$$ people behind the movie...which to me implies that they did not cast her specifically to be a salf-sabotaging woke vessel of stupidity. I may not understand the ins and outs of the industry, but I can only imagine how p*ssed I would be if I had $$$ on the line and she started preaching her insanity to America and even bashing the original Disney story. It goes to show how the woke-leftism has pretty much become a religion these days, especially in Hollywood.

And re: giving her grace...first, she's a young adult, but not a kid...second, she very intentionally used her platform, which was a direct result of this movie, to spew her BS like some self-righteous zealot. I am hoping she learns her lessons and changes the way she thinks, but typically these types resort to a sense of victimization and just double down on their ignorance and hatred. I bet she probably thinks people dislike her opinions and ignorant rhetoric "because she's brown" LOL.