El Gallo Blanco said:

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fig96 said:

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AGC said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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fig96 said:

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aTmAg said:

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This board untrustworthy on identifying political stuff. They've gotten this wrong countless times.

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Hi pot this is kettle.

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How so? I've never screwed this up. That's like calling Snow White black. (not in this movie.. but historically)

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If we take just the present topic, you're literally arguing with someone who's seen the movie about what's in the movie (that you haven't seen).

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And my point is that I don't trust this board on their assessment of this movie because of their failure in the PAST.

Reading comprehension is important.

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Reading comprehension is important.

My point is that you on the flip side see something you believe is political everything you see. And in this case, even in something you haven't seen (which is pretty impressive).

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No I don't. And I've made clear of that on this board. For example, the producer of Chernobyl is a flaming lib, but he kept his leftist agenda out of that series and I have said so. Same for other shows that I also love like BB and the Wire. Decades ago, most good movies had no political agenda at all. It is easier to name the few movies back then that did have a political agenda than those that didn't. Now it's the other way around. Most of what Hollywood spews has some sort of agenda tossed in.

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I have no idea about your comments on those specific things, but I do know I've been involved in multiple threads with you making things political that weren't very political, hence the comment.

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Could it be that you under appreciate how political these shows actually are? I'm not the only guy saying these things. And it's not just F16. It's commonly acknowledged across society. Hell, Disney itself admitted that they have been too political and have claimed that they will try to do better. And yet F13 will gaslight people all day long on how they really aren't political.

We need more Back to the Futures and less of this woke BS.

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Could it be that there's a very slim chance that you're never wrong, a similarly slim chance that I'm never wrong, and a much better than average chance that the truth lies somewhere in the middle?

Hence pot, kettle.

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If they hadn't revised the cast, script, etc. I think it'd be much easier to claim it's not political. It's too muddled now to say the end product isn't the result of CYA precisely because it was, and is now a milquetoast product hoping to scrape by, despite still not having a prince. You simply can't unring the bell.

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That's fair but I think also gets into a really gray area.

Similar to The Acolyte, did the creators' intent negatively affect the show? Quite possibly, but at the same time the discussion around those viewpoints was far more prominent than any content that appeared in the actual end product (which kind of sounds like the case here as well from those who have seen it).

In the end we'll never truly know exactly what resulted in what, it's all conjecture on the viewers side. Sometimes creators just make bad decisions.

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Didn't the creator of that show brag about how gay she was making Star Wars or something to that effect? Maybe one day these directors and lead actresses of the shows will learn to just keep their mouths shut and quit talking about their activism instead of the content of the movie? That mainstream America exists outside of their weird little self-reinforcing hyper-woke echo chamber bubbles? Nah, probably not.

Honestly, many Americans have reached their limit when it comes to the activism and preachiness. It's a huge turnoff. Whether it's actually in the movie, or just talked about by the creators/actors before the movie even comes out.

We get it, it offends or upsets some of you that people take more than just the actual movie itself into consideration. Unless it's a movie like "Sound of Freedom" of course lol.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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TCTTS said:

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It's so obvious that so much of y'alls nonsense comes from having no idea how this **** works in the first place.

Disney didn't actively cast a "super woke lead who won't shut up about how woke they are."

They didn't set out to cast the most woke person they could.

That's ridiculous.

Steven Spielberg cast Zegler out of obscurity - literally, while she was still in high school - as the lead in his remake of West Side Story, which she shot when she was 18 years old.

She ended up killing it in that role, in which she showcased a hell of a singing voice, and was then cast in Snow White on the hells of West Side Story at age 20. THAT'S why Disney cast her as Snow White - because she was anointed by our greatest living director, was a big, up-and-coming talent, and has a hell of a singing voice.

She didn't "go woke" until AFTER she was cast in Snow White. At least not publicly in any way that matters. In other words, Disney had no idea who they were dealing with in that regard or what she was going to end up saying in interviews.

Either way, there's ZERO chance they're not banging their heads against the wall due to her shenanigans. Turns out she's also a bratty, entitled, ill-formed political activists who's never known rejection in this business, and I guarantee you Disney wants her to shut up as much as you do.

That said... she's also ONLY 23.

She's a kid.

One who was handed an insane amount of celebrity at an early, formative age.

I'm not a fan either - her personality is rather grating - but I'm also choosing to extend a little grace, knowing how horrified I'd be if the whole world (especially rage-filled keyboard warriors) judged me based on some of the things I said and did in my early twenties.

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Good insight.

Is the Disney woke culture creating activists? If not, what is? I mean.. she openly supported Hamas. This isn't just someone supporting typical one side of the aisle stuff. Where does support of terrorists come from that they couldn't have learned about with a typical background check of her and her family? And if there was nothing there before, where are the internal controls from Disney prevent cash cow leading actors/actresses from being extremists politically.. publicly before their movie is released? I think that question is likely the one Disney needs to figure out the most. Because they keep getting caught in this same situation where they are having to pick up the pieces after their show pony exposes their backside.

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Cliff.Booth said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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TCTTS said:

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It's so obvious that so much of y'alls nonsense comes from having no idea how this **** works in the first place.

Disney didn't actively cast a "super woke lead who won't shut up about how woke they are."

They didn't set out to cast the most woke person they could.

That's ridiculous.

Steven Spielberg cast Zegler out of obscurity - literally, while she was still in high school - as the lead in his remake of West Side Story, which she shot when she was 18 years old.

She ended up killing it in that role, in which she showcased a hell of a singing voice, and was then cast in Snow White on the hells of West Side Story at age 20. THAT'S why Disney cast her as Snow White - because she was anointed by our greatest living director, was a big, up-and-coming talent, and has a hell of a singing voice.

She didn't "go woke" until AFTER she was cast in Snow White. At least not publicly in any way that matters. In other words, Disney had no idea who they were dealing with in that regard or what she was going to end up saying in interviews.

Either way, there's ZERO chance they're not banging their heads against the wall due to her shenanigans. Turns out she's also a bratty, entitled, ill-formed political activists who's never known rejection in this business, and I guarantee you Disney wants her to shut up as much as you do.

That said... she's also ONLY 23.

She's a kid.

One who was handed an insane amount of celebrity at an early, formative age.

I'm not a fan either - her personality is rather grating - but I'm also choosing to extend a little grace, knowing how horrified I'd be if the whole world (especially rage-filled keyboard warriors) judged me based on some of the things I said and did in my early twenties.

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Good insight.

Is the Disney woke culture creating activists? If not, what is? I mean.. she openly supported Hamas. This isn't just someone supporting typical one side of the aisle stuff. Where does support of terrorists come from that they couldn't have learned about with a typical background check of her and her family? And if there was nothing there before, where are the internal controls from Disney prevent cash cow leading actors/actresses from being extremists politically.. publicly before their movie is released? I think that question is likely the one Disney needs to figure out the most. Because they keep getting caught in this same situation where they are having to pick up the pieces after their show pony exposes their backside.

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I don't doubt that she was cast with all the right intentions and from the bits of this that have leaked online, she does have a great voice. But, I have a hard time believing, based on who she has proven to be, that Disney execs didn't know she was a vocal walking PR-nightmare. This is the personality of some theatre kids who simply don't understand that a)they're not nearly as intelligent as they think they are b) they're not as informed on the issues they're sounding off on as they think they are and c) they have some responsibility to not let their personal views detract from a production which involves the money and livelihood of a lot of others. That being the case, why didn't executives pull her aside early on and tell her to shut the **** up? Problematic actors leave productions regularly once directors realize they're a pain in the ass, so why wasn't she warned to curb the bull**** or leave the production? Was she really seen as irreplaceable? Or were those in charge (who almost all agreed with her views) secretly enjoying their starlet spouting off?

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Lathspell said:

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Now... with this whole Netflix rebooting the Chronicles of Narnia series... I will definitely be raging if they **** that up.

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maroon barchetta said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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The D said:

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TCTTS said:

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chap said:

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The D said:

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Did TTCCS just call a 23 year old a kid ?

I guess if that is what you think, then you can explain everything else he posts on here.

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His board, his rules.

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JFC.

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Would a judge or the military call a 23 year old a kid ? Only in the entertainment world.

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So come this fall, I fully expect someone to say "they're kids" when the Aggies inevitably step on their own dicks.

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You can do that now at Olsen.

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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declaration of independence smacktalk had escaped my bingo card for this thread, I'm impressed.

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