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I don't know if I agree with the notion that Snow White was so outdated it was always going to be an uphill climb...it should have been easy to basically breathe new life into this beloved old story.

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The ingredient that Disney seems to have lost is "charm." There is just something about the old animation style that brought characters to life in a way that is lost today. Disney's "Nine Old Men" weren't infected with modern cynicism and attitude and it showed in the way they worked.

Check out this deleted scene from the original "Snow White" -- it was cut prior to completion due to Walt's feeling that it didn't advance the plot. But it's chock full of humor and charm. The dwarves come to life and display unique personalities due to the skills of animator Ward Kimball.

I get why Walt Disney cut this scene from SNOW WHITE, but man, it's a shame to lose so much beautifully squashy and stretchy animation by Ward Kimball. Gorgeous stuff. pic.twitter.com/JvQWAuNZ3C

— Vincent Alexander (@NonsenseIsland) April 8, 2025

If Disney could recapture that, they could create new classics and revive old ones.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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I don't know if I agree with the notion that Snow White was so outdated it was always going to be an uphill climb...it should have been easy to basically breathe new life into this beloved old story. Our four year old loves the original...I realize that is anectdotal...but Disney had a chance to cast a wide net and capture a large audience...pretty much every living generation loves/loved Snow White...with fandom probably being spotty in the Gen Z and under range. But my 90 y/o grandma grew up on it, my 68 y/o mom grew up on it, and I did as well.

FWIW, my staunchly conservative mom went to see this in theaters with my niece and nephew and they all really enjoyed it lol. I asked her how she could line up to give her hard earned $$$ to support an actress who hates her guts and would probably be fine seeing us lined up against a wall and shot and she replied "I know, but they're all liberal, I've also seen movies with Robert DeNiro"...i decided not to debate her further...that is what this forum is for.

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Did you immediately shame your mom and niece as full-on Hunger Games Capitol City freak ****s for liking the movie?

Xi must've seen Snow White https://t.co/LCIXLvRfxr

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 8, 2025

Oh no…..

…..anyway *gif*

Ordinary folks may not care about this, but this would be trying to get Hollywood to put the screws to Trump. Joke's on Xi - I'd be happy to see Hollywood end their servitude to China.

lol nothing like a Xi Jingping tweet to really ground this thread

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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johnnyblaze36 said:

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Xi must've seen Snow White https://t.co/LCIXLvRfxr

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 8, 2025

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Meh, much easier move now than in prior years/decades. Vast majority of modern film is complete crap. Not the power move or gotcha he thinks it is.

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Veering into a different topic, but you'd be wrong.

China box office for some American films is significant and this absolutely has an effect on the US film market.

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Or maybe Hollywood makes movies for US audiences rather than kowtowing to what they think the Chinese commies want. Like what Top GunnMaverick did.

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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fig96 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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johnnyblaze36 said:

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Xi must've seen Snow White https://t.co/LCIXLvRfxr

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 8, 2025

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Meh, much easier move now than in prior years/decades. Vast majority of modern film is complete crap. Not the power move or gotcha he thinks it is.

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Veering into a different topic, but you'd be wrong.

China box office for some American films is significant and this absolutely has an effect on the US film market.

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Or maybe Hollywood makes movies for US audiences rather than kowtowing to what they think the Chinese commies want. Like what Top GunnMaverick did.

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I am making zero political statements, just making the observation that there's absolutely financial implications for the industry. A lot of films that would be considered quite neutral make a large percentage of their box office overseas.

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So now the Hollywood liberals (which are no more than 0.003% of Hollywood, we have been assured) can say "Thanks a lot, Trump!" for affecting the international box office numbers?

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johnnyblaze36 said:

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Xi must've seen Snow White https://t.co/LCIXLvRfxr

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 8, 2025

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Meh, much easier move now than in prior years/decades. Vast majority of modern film is complete crap. Not the power move or gotcha he thinks it is.

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Veering into a different topic, but you'd be wrong.

China box office for some American films is significant and this absolutely has an effect on the US film market.

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Or maybe Hollywood makes movies for US audiences rather than kowtowing to what they think the Chinese commies want. Like what Top GunnMaverick did.

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I am making zero political statements, just making the observation that there's absolutely financial implications for the industry. A lot of films that would be considered quite neutral make a large percentage of their box office overseas.

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While I'm no expert at where films earn their money in the overseas market, I know that China is a damn big part of it. And there have been many stories about films being modified during production so they can appeal to the Chinese market. I don't know how TG:M did in China, but I recall consternation about Mav's jacket logos and perhaps the insinuation that the enemy in the movie was China even though the movie never stated the name of the enemy.

Not sure China and Disney have been on the best terms since Disney told them that they were going to be authentic to Chinese culture by having Donny Osmond sing "Make a Man Out of You" in Mulan.

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johnnyblaze36 said:

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Xi must've seen Snow White https://t.co/LCIXLvRfxr

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 8, 2025

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Meh, much easier move now than in prior years/decades. Vast majority of modern film is complete crap. Not the power move or gotcha he thinks it is.

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Veering into a different topic, but you'd be wrong.

China box office for some American films is significant and this absolutely has an effect on the US film market.

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No, he's right.

For one, China has a quota system for how many foreign produced films they'll allow in, so Hollywood is only going to lose out on on those that would have been allowed in the first place.

For two, Hollywood has been losing box office share to domestic Chinese films for awhile. Go look at the highest grossing US films in China and you'll see they're almost all from the 2010's. Only Avatar 2 is from the 2020's, and it's #9. It's really not the money maker it once was. While some films have had and some continue to have some good success in China, it's not really critical to the industry.

For three, Chinese (Asian in general) audiences can be very different than domestic and other international audiences, so making a film successful in both can be hard. Also, the Chinese have been known to censor a lot of what certain posters don't think is a big deal, and certain casting decisions have been blamed for absolutely tanking movies in Asian markets.

Was going to add basically this. All very well said. While China was a huge part of American studios' global box office revenue for a big chunk of this century, that hasn't been the case the past few years, since even before the pandemic, for all the reasons you named. To the point where I don't know how much this tariff thing would even impact Hollywood all that much. Yeah, it'd hurt in certain regards, but we stopped "depending" on Chinese box office a while ago.

I should add that Hollywood suffered the same issues as a lot of other industries when it came to doing business in China and Chinese competitors basically stealing the secret sauce. Co-production was a good way to try to get into Chinese markets for awhile, but it was really about the Chinese learning about the modern film making process, VFX, etc so they could copy it and do it domestically. It's part of why the quality and box office share of Chinese movies has increased so rapidly in the last 5-10 years.

Moral of the story, never, ever, EVER do business with China.

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True. Except we have politicians, universities, etc in this country that willingly invite them here nevertheless.

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I should add that Hollywood suffered the same issues as a lot of other industries when it came to doing business in China and Chinese competitors basically stealing the secret sauce. Co-production was a good way to try to get into Chinese markets for awhile, but it was really about the Chinese learning about the modern film making process, VFX, etc so they could copy it and do it domestically. It's part of why the quality and box office share of Chinese movies has increased so rapidly in the last 5-10 years.

Moral of the story, never, ever, EVER do business with China.

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Where would you put this moral in rank against going against a Sicilian when death is on the line?

I'd put it up there with not getting into a land war in Asia.

Quick box office update...

Tuesday was $660k domestic. Wednesday was $395k. Currently about $850k domestic more than The Marvels was at this point, but tracking pretty close overall. I think it finishes at maybe $86 million domestic.

It's not tracking the same internationally. It's actually somewhat behind. International after last weekend was $91 million, and if it keeps up it's international pace, it'll finish at maybe just north of $100 million, which would be $20 million less than The Marvels. That means worldwide, this movie has a pretty strong likelihood to not even hit $200 million. It might not even hit $190 million.

To put this in perspective, this will somehow perform worse than John Carter and The Lone Ranger.

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Quick box office update...

Tuesday was $660k domestic. Wednesday was $395k. Currently about $850k domestic more than The Marvels was at this point, but tracking pretty close overall. I think it finishes at maybe $86 million domestic.

It's not tracking the same internationally. It's actually somewhat behind. International after last weekend was $91 million, and if it keeps up it's international pace, it'll finish at maybe just north of $100 million, which would be $20 million less than The Marvels. That means worldwide, this movie has a pretty strong likelihood to not even hit $200 million. It might not even hit $190 million.

To put this in perspective, this will somehow perform worse than John Carter and The Lone Ranger.

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And those flicks and their ilk eventually forced Taylor Kitsch into only small screen roles and Armie Hammer into cannibalism. Hopefully Gadot only falls as far as Depp did, but she already has Wonder Woman 1984 under her belt.

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Box office update from the weekend...

About $2.8 million domestic, bringing domestic total to almost $82 million. $99 million total international. 4th weekend total is a 93.5% drop from initial opening. It will probably drop to $200-$250k/day this week and <$1 million per day this coming weekend, though hard to tell because it's Easter. King of Kings may draw in a lot of conservative families and rob it if any kind of bump though. It only has a few million more left in the tank and probably finishes at $86-$87 million. Could finish at $105-$110 million international, but hard to tell. Still likely does <$200 million total