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* * * A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms: Season One * * *

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Which is why the shame or impact of them being on the losing side was brought up. And not many see it that way. There is no real downside to Dunk getting killed for them, even quickly. It's just not that big of a plot hole, if at all.
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Let's back up a bit and remember some background context about trial by combat in the GoT world. Maybe that will help.

Trial by combat stands apart from trials adjudicated by men. It is supposed to be a direct appeal to the Seven Gods by the accused for justice when all other avenues are hopeless. It is regarded by the devout as a sacred and honorable plea of last resort. A knight who demands trial by combat is literally asking for divine judgment.

Once Dunk asserted his right to trial by combat, Aerion asserted his right to Trial by Seven, which angered even his father Maekar. Everyone saw this for what it was - a cynical, cowardly attempt to stack the deck against Dunk. The Kingsguard were obliged to fight for Aerion, so they had no choice. Maekar naturally joined his son. Ser Steffon seized the opportunity for a lordship. Against that was the whole of the rest of the knights in attendance for the tourney, most of whom probably knew that Dunk was just protecting Tanselle from Aerion. They had also witnessed Aerion's deliberate murder of Ser Humfrey's horse in the joust. Dunk appealed to "true knights" to fight with him. Even so, it took Baelor joining to make seven for Dunk and prevent Dunk from being determined guilty by default.
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M.C. Swag said:

Wow, I guess it was just good planning on their part to have him impaled in precisely the place that wouldn't insta kill him then!
Baelor advised them to use longer tilting lances in order to have a better chance of unhorsing Aerion's team. It would have worked if Dunk had been more experienced at jousting.
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M.C. Swag said:

Wow, I guess it was just good planning on their part to have him impaled in precisely the place that wouldn't insta kill him then!

Turns out he WAS wearing armor....PLOT armor!!!
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I'll be excited for the special edition re-edits to come out in sequential order so the red grass/flea bottom time waster is not when the good stuff happens.
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Kid playing Egg might have let slip that Henry Cavill is in S2.
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M.C. Swag said:

Wow, I guess it was just good planning on their part to have him impaled in precisely the place that wouldn't insta kill him then!

Because he was innocent!
Gig ‘Em Baby!
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Dang, that's a nugget.
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Ira Parker on his vision of the series…

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"I hope George keeps writing these," Parker continued. "The truth isand I've pitched this to HBO with a couple very polite eye rollsI want to do four or five now with Egg as a kid. Then, I want to come back in ten years and do four or five more seasons with Egg the Prince. And with real Dexter [Ansell] and real Peter, just the age that they are at that point. Then, we'll come back ten years after that and do well, Egg the adult. So, it would be over the course of their lifetime. And mine too."


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This show has been fantastic.

I've only read the graphic novel, which didn't have anything about his time in Flea Bottom (the flashback), but it did have this little blurb that provides a little bit of context as to why they did that.

Paraphrasing:

"Ser Duncan the Tall was going to lose to Aerion. He needed to be Dunc from Flea Bottom to win the fight".
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Rewatched the episode again last night and when Egg barked back to Dunk, man. Peak callback. That's my lil bro right there.
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bonfarr said:

Ira Parker on his vision of the series…

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"I hope George keeps writing these," Parker continued. "The truth isand I've pitched this to HBO with a couple very polite eye rollsI want to do four or five now with Egg as a kid. Then, I want to come back in ten years and do four or five more seasons with Egg the Prince. And with real Dexter [Ansell] and real Peter, just the age that they are at that point. Then, we'll come back ten years after that and do well, Egg the adult. So, it would be over the course of their lifetime. And mine too."


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/knight-seven-kingdoms-coming-back-110000960.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

I feel like the feasibility of this could be challenging, but hell yes.
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Agree. It would be cool to happen, suck to wait 10 years between series, and you would have to have the actors all in and hope they do t change their mind or wind up otherwise blacklisted.
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bonfarr said:

Ira Parker on his vision of the series…

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"I hope George keeps writing these," Parker continued. "The truth isand I've pitched this to HBO with a couple very polite eye rollsI want to do four or five now with Egg as a kid. Then, I want to come back in ten years and do four or five more seasons with Egg the Prince. And with real Dexter [Ansell] and real Peter, just the age that they are at that point. Then, we'll come back ten years after that and do well, Egg the adult. So, it would be over the course of their lifetime. And mine too."


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/knight-seven-kingdoms-coming-back-110000960.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

For a second I thought it was GRRM who said this, and I thought, well he's optimistic isn't he?
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fig96 said:

bonfarr said:

Ira Parker on his vision of the series…

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"I hope George keeps writing these," Parker continued. "The truth isand I've pitched this to HBO with a couple very polite eye rollsI want to do four or five now with Egg as a kid. Then, I want to come back in ten years and do four or five more seasons with Egg the Prince. And with real Dexter [Ansell] and real Peter, just the age that they are at that point. Then, we'll come back ten years after that and do well, Egg the adult. So, it would be over the course of their lifetime. And mine too."


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/knight-seven-kingdoms-coming-back-110000960.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

I feel like the feasibility of this could be challenging, but hell yes.

This will never happen. It's like what Tarantino floated about Kill Bill. Too much time will pass, too many variables in place, it's just a good thing to talk about to keep people engaged and interested.

The days of five-plus seasons for a drama series are dead and gone. Even if they kept all the actors, source, and tone true for 15 years, I'd probably stop watching after three seasons. Such is the nature of a the current TV viewer. Too many other things to keep our attention.
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Linklater did something similar with Boyhood and the result was striking. Film made over 7 years with cast and crew meeting for a month once per year. In the film you actually see the actors age over time.

When the kid graduated from High School in the end of the movie I actually got a lump in my throat like it was my nephew graduating.
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Prosperdick said:

boy09 said:

fig96 said:

Gotcha, thanks. That gray hair ages a dude

That's one of my very few minor complaints with the show so far. Maekar looks older than Baelor.

In reality the actor who plays Maekar is 49 and the actor who plays Baelor is 48 so you've got a point although I think the grey hair of Baelor is supposed to age him up.

I didn't realize the actor who plays Maekar also played Ole Munch from the most recent season of Fargo, pretty memorable character from that season:


Don't mess with da tiger!
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These last 2 episodes feel like peak GoT. What a great series this has turned out to be, especially for those of us who didn't know the story beforehand.
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I finally had a chance to watch the latest episode. That was absolutely perfect. That was like an epic film packed into 30 minutes.
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Give me all of your cover music edits. Some of these overlays absolutely rip lol

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Play this over the clip. Click play once it's at the 10 second mark.


Mute the clip audio after Egg yells wait.
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May be the headgear, but does Aerion look a little like Groot?

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The equivalent of Aerion's armor:

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M.C. Swag said:

Give me all of your cover music edits. Some of these overlays absolutely rip lol

Immediately what I thought of…
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Mr. Nussbaum said:

Maybe the headgear, but does Aerion look a little like Groot?




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Before I pressed play, I was imaging CAKE's The Distance. Haha
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Same thing I thought!

The theme from Rocky is the "training" song.... Rocky running through the streets.

I think the best use of that song would be a montage of Egg training Ser Duncan's horse.
Imagine.
No music: The horse just standing around, taking a dump. Egg exasperated. All seems lost.

Suddenly, Egg yells, horse shakes his head. Paws the ears. Music kicks in, It's on.

Multiple angles of horse running, Egg yelling, etc. We all feel we could joust as the music crescendos.

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Apache said:

Same thing I thought!

The theme from Rocky is the "training" song.... Rocky running through the streets.

I think the best use of that song would be a montage of Egg training Ser Duncan's horse.
Imagine.
No music: The horse just standing around, taking a dump. Egg exasperated. All seems lost.

Suddenly, Egg yells, horse shakes his head. Paws the ears. Music kicks in, It's on.

Multiple angles of horse running, Egg yelling, etc. We all feel we could joust as the music crescendos.

I will say Aerion's deflated look when he realizes Dunk is going to get up and continue to fight is very similar to Apollo Creed's look when he knocks Rocky out in the 14th round and is celebrating only for Rocky to get up right at the 8 count.
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500,000ags said:

Before I pressed play, I was imaging CAKE's The Distance. Haha

I imagined Going the Distance from the Hercules animated movie lol
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I saw it speculated somewhere that Dunk actually dies when he initially falls to the ground and the gods of the seven brought him back because his cause was just.

Of course it ended up with the death of Baelor who would have been a great ruler of Westeros but this is why I argue that the fatal blow was after the horn sounded because it was out of the gods of seven hands at that point.

Either way just fantastic storytelling from Martin.
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Prosperdick said:

I saw it speculated somewhere that Dunk actually dies when he initially falls to the ground and the gods of the seven brought him back because his cause was just.

Of course it ended up with the death of Baelor who would have been a great ruler of Westeros but this is why I argue that the fatal blow was after the horn sounded because it was out of the gods of seven hands at that point.

Either way just fantastic storytelling from Martin.


Sure looked like he took the blow to the back of the head after the fight but before the horn sounded.

On a separate thought, on first viewing I found that time so stressful. We had already heard the "yield" but nobody else had. I had that Game of Thrones feeling Dunk was going to get attacked dragging him to withdraw the accusation.

I think that was also what made Baelors death hit harder because I was just starting to freaking relax after waiting for disaster the whole stressful fight scene. Classic GRRM.
 
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