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Jack Squat 83 said:

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Speaking of help from AI. For those interested in the math….
2.3 million employees taking 5 minutes to send an email each week is 120 million emails a year and a rough cost of 400 million dollars in work time at the average federal workers salary.

Way to go, Johnny efficiency.

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Stupid argument since they're salaried employees. That 5 minutes they spent composing the email is 5 minutes less time spent doing non-work related stupid crap like texting about weird sexual fetishes. So Elon is actually saving tax payers $400M of waste.

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The vast majority are not salaried employees. TexAgs posters have this idea that all 2.3 million federal employees are bureaucrats in DC. That's just not true. For every bureaucrat, there are 10 hourly unionized federal workers. They take out the trash. They recycle the cardboard boxes on the loading dock. They clean bed pans and draw blood at VA's. They flip burgers in canteens and act as security in Federal buildings. And they work all over the country, from Peoria to Walla Walla.

And all of them were asked to send an email that nobody will ever read about the bed pans they washed and the burgers they flipped, lol.

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Nothing personal of course, but I did happen to notice that (I guess for maximizing the feels), all of the workers you listed are NOT the millions(?) who have been "working" from home. The ones you listed are the ones who actually do work for the most part.

I think for most of us the bulk of the slacker freeloaders are the ones operating in the shadows, and their supervisors half-squinting their eyes to see if they are actually earning the paycheck. Yea, those are the ones.

Carry on.

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85% of Federal employees work outside of the DC area. Fully 1/3 are GS8 and below. No college education that flip burgers, crush cardboard boxes on the loading dock or clean. The next third are GS9-12. College educated or technically skilled doing jobs like ICE agents, park rangers, or nurses, federal building police, IT. Very few workers are DC fat cats.

When I saw Elon's statistic that 94% of workers don't come into the office, it was my first clue he has no idea what he's talking about. I work in a facility with 2000 people. Only a handful have ever had jobs they could do remotely.
It's true, I don't work in DC. I'm sure there are lots of jobs that need to be cut. Hell, whole departments I'd slash. My point is the email fiasco was idiotic. Tell the new cabinet members to look at their workforce, see what's critical and what isn't, and cut appropriately. If they determine my job isn't necessary in the Federal government, I'm more than happy to leave.

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A college educated Agronomist, Range Conservationist, Forester, Wildlife Biologist, etc…… starts off in the USDA as a GS-5 and a salary of $34,500. With good grades, one can start as a GS-7 and a salary of $42,700. I can assure you they are not flipping burgers or folding cardboard boxes. They've also been in the office/field for quite some time after the COVID scare

This is F16, home of the Federal employment "experts", so your mistake is understandable.

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I think you are making the point I was making. There are lots of good Federal workers all over the country doing their job, in the office. from burger flippers to wildlife biologists. I myself was in the office every day even during Covid, just like many other Federal workers. the idea that we are all lazy getting top dollar for doing nothing is absurd. I don't need to send an email to nowhere to prove it.

It takes longer to whine about it than to send it in. Blow their minds……..send 6! None of the field people i still communicate with gave it second's thought - they just did it and went on. The whiners, for the most part, were the DC types.

Most of us don't hate federal workers. We hate the entitlement of SOME federal workers and we hate the ones who aren't doing anything. We may also question the legitimate governmental role of some agencies, but that is not necessarily directed at workers. Just to be clear.

And I know $34,200 is a low starting salary. There are millions of small businesses in America that have similar (and even lower) starting points. It's reality.

In what federal agency or department are there "burger flippers" who are directly employed by the federal government (i.e., are civil servants)?

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In what federal agency or department are there "burger flippers" who are directly employed by the federal government (i.e., are civil servants)?

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Here are 93 job openings in various agencies. All federal employees.
https://www.usajobs.gov/search/results/?l=&k=Cook

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In what federal agency or department are there "burger flippers" who are directly employed by the federal government (i.e., are civil servants)?

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Here are 93 job openings in various agencies. All federal employees.
https://www.usajobs.gov/search/results/?l=&k=Cook

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That screams for DOGE. I hope you realize that (but you probably do not).

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Most of us don't hate federal workers. We hate the entitlement of SOME federal workers and we hate the ones who aren't doing anything. We may also question the legitimate governmental role of some agencies, but that is not necessarily directed at workers. Just to be clear.

And I know $34,200 is a low starting salary. There are millions of small businesses in America that have similar (and even lower) starting points. It's reality.

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Don't forget to ADD to that 34k all the benefits: unchecked OT, health insurance, vacation, etc.

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In what federal agency or department are there "burger flippers" who are directly employed by the federal government (i.e., are civil servants)?

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Here are 93 job openings in various agencies. All federal employees.
https://www.usajobs.gov/search/results/?l=&k=Cook

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That screams for DOGE. I hope you realize that (but you probably do not).

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I was just answering the question. Don't worry though, nobody will take those jobs because they are probationary for a year. You'll have plenty of time to enjoy them getting fired.

What if those jobs were contracted and got done at cheaper cost to taxpayers? Would you be OK with that,

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What if those jobs were contracted and got done at cheaper cost to taxpayers? Would you be OK with that,

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Sure!
This thread is about the stupid 5 points email, not about saving money. I'm all for cutting waste, fraud, abuse and getting rid of things the government shouldn't be doing. The 5 points email IS waste. And stupidity. How is Elon's AI going to determine which of those cooks to fire based on their email responses. It's ludicrous.

Most jobs in America are probationary.

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As expected. Not only did less than 1/2 of Federal employees ever respond, now the ones that do are getting bounce back emails saying that the address is full, lol. Because nobody is reading them or evaluating them in any way. What a ridiculous mess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/musk-s-what-did-you-do-last-week-email-suffers-spectacular-fail/ar-AA1BJR9B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6480565796674483f25609b371907cbf&ei=23#comments

OK?

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OK?

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I thought you hated Government waste.

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As expected. Not only did less than 1/2 of Federal employees ever respond, now the ones that do are getting bounce back emails saying that the address is full, lol. Because nobody is reading them or evaluating them in any way. What a ridiculous mess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/musk-s-what-did-you-do-last-week-email-suffers-spectacular-fail/ar-AA1BJR9B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6480565796674483f25609b371907cbf&ei=23#comments

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Seems like more than half need to be fired for not following simple directions from higher ups. Seriously do all government workers whine this much?

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I don't know where you are getting that from, unless the mapping project I'm working on is time sensitive, my request for OT would be denied 9 times out of 10

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As expected. Not only did less than 1/2 of Federal employees ever respond, now the ones that do are getting bounce back emails saying that the address is full, lol. Because nobody is reading them or evaluating them in any way. What a ridiculous mess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/musk-s-what-did-you-do-last-week-email-suffers-spectacular-fail/ar-AA1BJR9B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6480565796674483f25609b371907cbf&ei=23#comments

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Seems like more than half need to be fired for not following simple directions from higher ups. Seriously do all government workers whine this much?

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Seems like not a single person was fired for not responding, proving how stupid and wasteful it was.

Why do TexAgs posters want MORE government waste?

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As expected. Not only did less than 1/2 of Federal employees ever respond, now the ones that do are getting bounce back emails saying that the address is full, lol. Because nobody is reading them or evaluating them in any way. What a ridiculous mess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/musk-s-what-did-you-do-last-week-email-suffers-spectacular-fail/ar-AA1BJR9B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6480565796674483f25609b371907cbf&ei=23#comments

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I sometimes wonder where these stories come from. Our agency heads mandated that all employees follow the directive and include them in the email for the weekly status updates. Outside of the original email, people have just fallen in line and provided them. So far as emails being bounced back I don't know a single person in my agency that has experienced that problem. Maybe the problem isn't OPM, maybe its managers mailboxes being overwhelmed if they are not keeping up with reading the emails. My only problem with the process is that on many occasions I spend all my time working on one mapping project, so I feel petty trying to break it out into five bullets

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As expected. Not only did less than 1/2 of Federal employees ever respond, now the ones that do are getting bounce back emails saying that the address is full, lol. Because nobody is reading them or evaluating them in any way. What a ridiculous mess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/musk-s-what-did-you-do-last-week-email-suffers-spectacular-fail/ar-AA1BJR9B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6480565796674483f25609b371907cbf&ei=23#comments

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Seems like more than half need to be fired for not following simple directions from higher ups. Seriously do all government workers whine this much?

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Seems like not a single person was fired for not responding, proving how stupid and wasteful it was.

Why do TexAgs posters want MORE government waste?

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Pretty much the only thing government can do better than the private sector is kill people, but we were even screwing that up under Biden.

Government is waste. I want less of it. Whatever gets more people of the government teet in the long run is fine by me.

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As expected. Not only did less than 1/2 of Federal employees ever respond, now the ones that do are getting bounce back emails saying that the address is full, lol. Because nobody is reading them or evaluating them in any way. What a ridiculous mess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/musk-s-what-did-you-do-last-week-email-suffers-spectacular-fail/ar-AA1BJR9B?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6480565796674483f25609b371907cbf&ei=23#comments

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I sometimes wonder where these stories come from. Our agency heads mandated that all employees follow the directive and include them in the email for the weekly status updates. Outside of the original email, people have just fallen in line and provided them. So far as emails being bounced back I don't know a single person in my agency that has experienced that problem. Maybe the problem isn't OPM, maybe its managers mailboxes being overwhelmed if they are not keeping up with reading the emails. My only problem with the process is that on many occasions I spend all my time working on one mapping project, so I feel petty trying to break it out into five bullets

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My agency told people they could respond if they wanted to, but they were not going to require it. OPM sent an email saying nobody would be fired for not responding. Less than 1/2 of my 60 subordinates responded to the first email. Less than 10% do now. That 10% is done by people that I would not hire again given the chance (some people are good at pretending to work, but not actually working).

No one will ever read them. No AI is going to tell them which positions to cut. OPM doesn't even send the emails out and more, they just said on the last email two weeks ago to keep responding. If people want to send an email every week to nowhere, for the rest of their lives, more power to them I guess. Are you going to be sending the email out in 2034, just curious? I'm just keeping this thread alive because its fun to watch people foam at the mouth over nothing.

It only takes a couple minutes of my time most weeks and its required by my leadership, so as long as the policy stands, I'll abide by it. Only time is was a little difficult to find five bullets was last week because I was working on a single map and it took all week which sometimes happens with the more complex maps and analysis

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It only takes a couple minutes of my time most weeks and its required by my leadership, so as long as the policy stands, I'll abide by it. Only time is was a little difficult to find five bullets was last week because I was working on a single map and it took all week which sometimes happens with the more complex maps and analysis

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Fair enough. More power to you.